Pathway to the 2016 Pac 12 title

[Puerco]

I love how you say I have the Pea sized brain when you were the one who said they would maybe trade a PAC 12 Regular Season Championship for a Final Four...to this day the dumbest thing I have ever read on an Arizona Message Board ever.

I say pea-sized brain because you keep insisting that everyone thinks the same as you do, but in actuality just about everyone on this board is disagreeing with you. Did I ever say that I'd trade a Final Four appearance for a conference championship? If so, please link. There is one possible way in which I could see myself writing that, and it's linked to this:

Newport, serious question for you:

Which season was more painful, 2001 or 2005?

Is that really a question, 2005. 2001 sucked because we got jobbed by the Refs but one of the best days I had in college was that Saturday at my frat house watching us crush Michigan State in the Final Four game. We had a massive party and lets just say I had a very Successful night

I watched the 2005 game at a bar in Newport I have still never been back to due to that game. I remember waking up in the middle of the night after that game, sweating thinking it was all a bad nightmare. I still to this day puke when I see Deron Williams highlights.

I know I have had a blessed life as I would say 2005 was one of the worst nights of my life in terms of being upset, angry, etc.

I look back at the 2001 team with fond memories from that Final Four game. 2005, well I hate Mustafa Shakur so much it still hurts

I asked this question because 2005 isn't anywhere near the top of my most painful hoops memories. Here they are in order (most to least):
1. 2001 vs. Duke -- How can losing to Duke in the Final and getting jobbed by the refs not be your most painful hoops memory? Finals, Dukes, refs... Screw Jay Williams.
2. 1988 vs. Oklahoma -- I was firmly convinced that the 1988 team was special and would win it all. Screw Mookie Blaylock.
3. 1994 vs. Arkansas -- Tough, tough loss. Thought Reeves, Stoudamire and Co. were going all the way. Screw Corliss Williamson.
4. 1989 vs. UNLV -- Elliot's senior year. Screw Anderson Hunt.
5. A) 1998 vs. Utah -- We owned that year. Screw Michael Doleac.
5. B) 2014 vs. Wisconsin -- I really thought we would win the natty that year. At least until Bash went down. Screw Frank Kaminsky.
5. C) 2015 vs. Wisconsin -- This one bothered me less, but I can't figure out why. We just seemed more... vulnerable... than in 2014. Screw Sam Dekker.

Those were all years where I felt we should be in the Final Four and should have had a good shot at winning the whole thing. 2005 was bad, but we weren't beating May, McCants, Felton and Williams that year, so the collapse against Illinois really, really sucked. Just not as bad as the losses above. Lower expectations, I suppose. You may not remember or care, but that game against OSU was sheer brilliance.

Anyway, going to the Final Four and losing is the absolute worst experience imaginable. Getting to the Final Four is great, but in reality it's just one more win at the end of a long season than is the Elite Eight, so it makes no sense to put that much more value on it. We all do, I understand that, but it just doesn't make sense.

But I'm as proud of the 1998 and 2015 teams as I am of 1988 and 1994. They just hit that game a little earlier in the tournament. No one was beating Utah or Wisky on those nights. No one.

[Newportcat]

An elite program is one that makes Final Fours. We haven't been making those. But we're still an elite program, so we better get to the Final Four. Why? So we can be considered an elite program.

I'm getting dizzy.

Yes an Elite program is one that makes final fours. I believe our program CAN be an elite program as it was from 1988 through 2001 but since then we have simply been a good to great program. Nothing special or that will get remembered by the average college basketball fan. When we start making final fours again and hopefully winning a national championship again then we can be back in that same list as Duke, North Carolina, etc.

We are a Great BUT program right now. Arizona is Great BUT they keep losing in the Final Four. Sean Miler is a great coach BUT he still has not made a final four. Arizona is great BUT they have lost 5 elite 8 games since 2003.

I dont want to be a Great BUT program, I want to be Elite PERIOD Elite. We recruit at an elite level, we have facilities at an Elite level, I think our coaching is elite BUT until we make final fours we will not be viewed as an Elite program. And I personally hate that so anything that does not help us get back to being Elite is basically irrelevant to me.

Maybe I am too competitive or much more competitive then the people here. All I know is I have asked all my buddies the question whether they would be excited if we won the PAC 12 title and all of them said they could give two sh*ts and the only thing that matters is how we perform in the tourney.

I get I am debating Diehards which is kind of like me trying to convince crack heads in a crack house that crack isnt good for them. We all want the same thing in the end I just care a lot less about things which do not end the "Arizona is great BUT"

That is what it is Newport... You are just a wolf among sheep, a gladiator surrounded by monks... you competitive animal you!

Give me a break. So you have to be in the top 4 out of 347, or you are a failure? Okay, Eldrick. Who cares if I am number 1 in the Western US at my job... If I am not top 4 on the globe then I deserve to be fired!

You are clearly.an over-achieving MMA street fighter. Women want you... Men fear you... Children want to be like you. Us mere mortals are humbled to be in the presence of your greatness.

By your defeatist definition, the world is filled with losers... and I am quite sure you are probably one of them. But call it competitiveness if you wish.

I never said a season without a Final Four is a failure, I said it was irrelevant. Big difference. Not making the tournament is a Failure. At a program like Arizona making the tournament but not making the Final Four is an unsuccessful season that is irrelevant and should be quickly forgotten. It is not a failure, but it is not a successful season.

Failure is when you go out in college and don't bring home a girl and go to bed alone.
Irrelevant is when you go out in college and bring home a fat or ugly girl and screw her. Failure no because you had Sex, Successful No because the girl was fat or ugly
Success is when you go out in college and bring home a hot chick and screw her.

Harvey I bet you were real good at U of A trying to convince you buddies "Dude, she was not that fat, she was just big boned"

I am definitely a wolf among a bunch of sheep on this message board

Actually that was typically the MO of dudes with bushy porn staches. Why do imagine that you probably have one?

Worst Comeback ever...first round flame out. Not sure Why Do Imagine

[Newportcat]

Who the f@ck cares about 2016 PAC 12 title

Honestly who cares, what does it matter. Does it give us a bye in the tournament? Does it mean we automatically make the sweet 16?

Only thing that matters is how we do in the tournament

All this stuff before hand is kind of mindless foreplay

Uhh, I care about a Pac12 title. Mainly because I'm a college basketball fan and I like seeing banners hanging at McKale showing our dominance over the Conference of Champions.

The only banners that matter are final four banners and national championship banners.

For instance we have an elite 8 banner at McKale which I f@cking absolutely f@cking hate and one of my goals in life is to get rich and donate a large check to the U of A athletic department with the specific requirement they take down our elite 8 banner so they stop proudly showing the numbers 2005 in McKale.

I appreciate that you guys care but to me it's simple. Let's say we didn't win the PAC title this year but made a Final Four, then it would be a far more successful season then if we won the conference title and lost in the first round of the tourney. Therefore the PAC 12 title means nothing to me.

In football winning the PAC 12 is all I care about given it would get us to a rose bowl. College basketball should change their system given my opinion and most fans opinions of you look at TV ratings that the regular season has become so worthless given all the attention has been placed on the tourney.

Until that changes, could care less. Doesn't mean I don't watch our games or cheer for our cats just means I will not lose sleep in how we do in conference unless we were in danger of not making the tourney.

You know the one way to remove the label of best coach to never make a final four...hint it's not winning your conference title

What's the difference between hanging a Final Four banner and an Elite Eight banner, Newport? Either way, your last game of the season was a loss. The conference championship signals season-long excellence, which has more meaning than any touranment result other than winning the National Championship. We all put different values on different things. Would I exchange a PAC championship for a loss in the Elite Eight? No way. A loss in the Final Four? Maybe. A loss in the championship? Probably. But that's just my value. Claiming a conference title has NO value is just f_cking silly.

And screw getting to the Rose Bowl. When we finally get to the Rose Bowl, it's going to be the worst f_cking night of my life if we lose it.

Again dumbest thing ever written on any Arizona message board in the history of Mankind. You would maybe trade a PAC 12 championship for a Loss in the Final Four...some on this board might actually agree with you but 99% of Arizona fans would not. You then follow that up with "Screw getting to a Rose Bowl", another absolute Gem.

Message boards are never a good barometer of normal fans feelings

[dcZONAfan]

I haven't been on Newport's side at all during this, but in this case he is right in my eyes. Would anyone in here besides Puerco actually try to claim that they would have to think about sacrificing a conference title for a Final Four? That's insanity. The PAC championship hasn't even been all that difficult the last few years anyway since the conference has been awful up until this year.

Yes, we all want a championship. But man a FF would be a nice consolation prize. And at this point I'd give a lot to get that FF monkey off our back. I'd give 5 conference championships away for a fucking final four, at this point. Doesn't mean I'm on the extreme side like Newport saying that I don't enjoy the seasons or that they don't matter. The last two years mattered a hell of a lot. TJ became my favorite Arizona player ever (and a lot of people's I think). So if those are lost seasons for someone I don't understand one bit. But I do understand the hurt of not making a FF and the conference championship last year doesn't make me feel any better about not making it.

[Beachcat97]

At this point, yes, I'd trade one Pac title for a FF. It's just been too long since the latter.

[Merkin]

No one makes t-shirts for conference championships.

[UAEebs86]

No one makes t-shirts for conference championships.

They actually sell them at the UofA stores.

[dcZONAfan]

Yeah but who wants one, that's the real question

[ChooChooCat]

I don't see why people wouldn't want to go for the clean sweep. Win the Pac-12 regular season, Win the Pac-12 conference tournament, get into the Final Four.

We almost accomplished that last year and I'd love every year to be just like that.

[rgdeuce]

USC, UCLA (outside of their post guys), Oregon as you mentioned, California (don't care it was Matthews that killed us and your boy York defending him). Look the defensive metrics are out there for who's a good defender on this team. Out of all the guys you named previously only one of them is and it sure ain't Anderson or York or Tolly. If these guys could defend effectively they would already be doing it. They're not great athletes and they don't defend well. It is what it is, so please stop trying to fluff our situation up.

Also I can't name any other superior athletic teams because our schedule has been so bad that we haven't played many. That also doesn't make this team a good defensive one RG.

So far one win against a NCAA tourney team. That same team got rocked by Stanford tonight. Oh boy!

LOL. You are just sidestepping everything. You don't care how Cal or USC or UCLA beat us because it doesn't fit your argument that you are losing. I'm giving specifics here. Miller has been given specifics all year. "This team just doesn't get it", not, "Man we just don't have the athletes to defend." You want to go on and on about Anderson and Tollefsen and them not being able to defend because of their athleticism. But they BOTH have the same two problems that would greatly improve their defense alone:

1) Positioning - both are frequently not where they should be on the court. Even if either of their men are on the left wing, and the ball is on the opposite wing, they are frequently a few steps from where they should be, whether it is left to right, or they are too far up and can't keep their eyes on ball and man (and in Tollefsen's case, he will bob his head, left, right, left right, over and over and lose his man, or not see the ball move, and he therefore doesn't move). Some of Ryan's position issues are likely from him being so rebound-centered, which is great in some instances, in others it can hurt you. Now the ball moves, we will say to middle of the floor. Both guys rotate slowly. And heaven forbid if there is a quick ball reversal. Again, they rotate a step or two out of where they need to be. Now the ball is passed to their man....

2) Close outs - So they are already out of position, disadvantage one. They are frequently a step out of position, so they are a step late if the guy wants to pull the trigger. Both these guys do all of this= They realize they are a step out of position and wont get there in time and close out on the shooter recklessly in a panic. This panic has all their momentum forward with no balance. Man with ball pump fakes to get them in the air, or even just puts the ball on the floor and goes around them because they have no balance. That is the biggest reason they are always getting blown by. And they are always flat footed on closeouts. But it doesn't end there. These guys are both notorious for their lack of effort and focus on that end (outside of Ryan's rebounding), so we get quite a few lazy/half-ass closeouts. Eh, im just gonna take my team getting out there. How many closeouts have you seen where a guy drills a jumper in tollefsen's face and tollefsen's hands are waist level before the guy even takes the jumper? It just happened twice in the Colorado game and the dude was like 6'4 and happens 2, 3, 4 times every game. Ryan does this too. These guys are both frequently too late, both frequently in bad defensive stances/balance when they do get there, and both do not take advantage of their length on smaller shooters. They completely negate their length and they may as well be a 6'2 guy closing out on them.

The positioning is basic stuff you are going to learn in high school. Obviously things are fluid on that end and things aren't always perfect, but they are consistent problems for both of those guys. It isn't drastic, but one step can mean the guy getting a shot off or blowing by you, and neither of those guys consistently "cheat" that extra step off-ball to compensate. Both guys have issues at times with their defensive stances in general. Tollefsen is the king of being flat footed. Both guys dont know to use their strengths (eg length) to compensate for their weaknesses. Tollefsen, for example, can be guarding a 6'5 guy he knows is quicker. Instead of playing off a little to mitigate the dribble and still have the length to get a hand up in his face, will play him the same way he will play a 6'7 sharpshooter who doesn't put the ball on the floor. They struggle to make adjustments or it takes them getting burned repetitively to figure out the ones they need to make, if any are made at all. They both take a lot of plays off on the defensive end. They are both indecisive on help and frequently over compensate when they "show" help, so not only are they not in position to help, they are out of position to close out on their man should the ball handler kick out a pass and their man gets a wide open look. There are a lot of times where help is needed and Tollefsen is so focused on not losing his man he doesn't even know York got blown and needs help. Their pick and roll defense is bad, they are slow/lazy with their recoveries. I forgot who we were playing, but it was 3 or 4 home games ago and Anderson switched onto Tollefsen's man off a screen. Anderson rightfully picked up Tollefsen's man (because Tollefsen gets murdered on screens), and Anderson's man rolled out to the corner. Tollefsen just stands there, right next to Anderson, no on ball pressure. It didn't click in his head there was a man unaccounted for out there. The ball handler didn't even pass out of it quickly, this went on for several seconds, and then he kicks a pass to the corner for a wide open 3.

All of these things can be controlled by the player and have nothing to do with athleticism. It's lack of effort, not thinking, and not doing what they are taught. If I am coaching a high school freshman basketball team and I needed video of examples of poor defense, these two guys would have a lot of what I needed covered.

[Newportcat]

At this point, yes, I'd trade one Pac title for a FF. It's just been too long since the latter.

I would trade 10 PAC titles for a Final Four

[Newportcat]

No one makes t-shirts for conference championships.

They actually sell them at the UofA stores.

Yes and you can buy the 2015 one for $5 since literally no one would ever wear it or want to buy it. You can also buy a 2015 Elite 8 shirt too for $5, those must be selling like Hot Cakes

http://shop.uabookstore.arizona.edu/mai ... =ON%20SALE

[ASUHATER!]

No one makes t-shirts for conference championships.

They actually sell them at the UofA stores.

Yes and you can buy the 2015 one for $5 since literally no one would ever wear it or want to buy it. You can also buy a 2015 Elite 8 shirt too for $5, those must be selling like Hot Cakes

http://shop.uabookstore.arizona.edu/mai ... =ON%20SALE

It's time for you to just admit you're a bandwagon fan. Leave the board and stop posting until we go to a final four.

[Beachcat97]

At this point, yes, I'd trade one Pac title for a FF. It's just been too long since the latter.

I would trade 10 PAC titles for a Final Four

You're nuts. 10 league titles are worth more than a FF, especially when those 10 titles occur within a relatively short period of time (ie: 15-25 years).

[Newportcat]

I haven't been on Newport's side at all during this, but in this case he is right in my eyes. Would anyone in here besides Puerco actually try to claim that they would have to think about sacrificing a conference title for a Final Four? That's insanity. The PAC championship hasn't even been all that difficult the last few years anyway since the conference has been awful up until this year.

Yes, we all want a championship. But man a FF would be a nice consolation prize. And at this point I'd give a lot to get that FF monkey off our back. I'd give 5 conference championships away for a fucking final four, at this point. Doesn't mean I'm on the extreme side like Newport saying that I don't enjoy the seasons or that they don't matter. The last two years mattered a hell of a lot. TJ became my favorite Arizona player ever (and a lot of people's I think). So if those are lost seasons for someone I don't understand one bit. But I do understand the hurt of not making a FF and the conference championship last year doesn't make me feel any better about not making it.

Thank you and I get not everyone is going to be as extreme as me thinking a season is irrelevant at Arizona if it does not end in a Final Four. I never said don't enjoy the season, just said to me I no longer get high or low during the regular season especially given I can not attend home games since I do not live in Tucson. So as long as we make the tournament and get a decent seed, I really do not care much or remember much about our regular season games. Do I want Arizona to win every game they play, sure, but games on the road with crappy refs in the PAC 12 when everyone wants to beat us are very tough. Sometimes almost unwinnable but again not like we are getting blown out in any of these games.

I do not understand why a fan would be depressed or upset after the Colorado game unless a major player got injured or that game caused us to not make the tournament. The greatest team in our programs history, the team that gives everyone the most pride, the team that literally made the numbers 1997 or 97 bring such joy to all of us finished 5th in the PAC 10. Lost their last two games on the road to CAL and Stanford. Did not play well on defense. Finished behind USC in the PAC 10. Lost twice to UCLA. And still allowed us to hang the greatest banner in the history of our school.

This years team could still do the same. They could still make a final four which would take a big monkey of Miller's back. Winning or losing the PAC 12 regular season conference championship has no impact on that as it did not have any impact on the 1997 team. Given it has no impact, I could care less about it. Will they, who knows and I think it is probably doubtful but I do not think anyone was bullish on our 1997 team winning a national championship before that tournament.

[Newportcat]

No one makes t-shirts for conference championships.

They actually sell them at the UofA stores.

Yes and you can buy the 2015 one for $5 since literally no one would ever wear it or want to buy it. You can also buy a 2015 Elite 8 shirt too for $5, those must be selling like Hot Cakes

http://shop.uabookstore.arizona.edu/mai ... =ON%20SALE

It's time for you to just admit you're a bandwagon fan. Leave the board and stop posting until we go to a final four.

I picture ASUHATER standing outside the U of A bookstore screaming "The 2015 PAC 12 Conference Championship T Shirts are only $5, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[rgdeuce]

Who here wouldnt trade one conference title for a win in either Wisconsin game? But this has evolved into that from nothing but final fours matter

[ChooChooCat]

LOL. You are just sidestepping everything. You don't care how Cal or USC or UCLA beat us because it doesn't fit your argument that you are losing. I'm giving specifics here. Miller has been given specifics all year. "This team just doesn't get it", not, "Man we just don't have the athletes to defend." You want to go on and on about Anderson and Tollefsen and them not being able to defend because of their athleticism.

Jesus Christ. Look I hate to TLDNR this to you, but I already know your opinion, so I'll just address the fact that I never said I don't care how we lost to USC or UCLA or Cal. I only agreed we lost to Cal due to Matthews going off and blamed your ace defender York for said failure. The rest of the defensive stats are more than available on synergy for you to look up. So how about we just agree that this team just doesn't get it/doesn't follow instruction and we don't have the athletes and/or length to defend worthwhile teams effectively, because all of that is true. Sound good to you?

[Newportcat]

At this point, yes, I'd trade one Pac title for a FF. It's just been too long since the latter.

I would trade 10 PAC titles for a Final Four

You're nuts. 10 league titles are worth more than a FF, especially when those 10 titles occur within a relatively short period of time (ie: 15-25 years).

Go tell that to Gonzaga fans

[Newportcat]

Who here wouldnt trade one conference title for a win in either Wisconsin game? But this has evolved into that from nothing but final fours matter

Glad you finally agree that nothing but Final Fours matter at a program like Arizona

[rgdeuce]

LOL. You are just sidestepping everything. You don't care how Cal or USC or UCLA beat us because it doesn't fit your argument that you are losing. I'm giving specifics here. Miller has been given specifics all year. "This team just doesn't get it", not, "Man we just don't have the athletes to defend." You want to go on and on about Anderson and Tollefsen and them not being able to defend because of their athleticism.

Jesus Christ. Look I hate to TLDNR this to you, but I already know your opinion, so I'll just address the fact that I never said I don't care how we lost to USC or UCLA or Cal. I only agreed we lost to Cal due to Matthews going off and blamed your ace defender York for said failure. The rest of the defensive stats are more than available on synergy for you to look up. So how about we just agree that this team just doesn't get it/doesn't follow instruction and we don't have the athletes and/or length to defend worthwhile teams effectively, because all of that is true. Sound good to you?

My ace defender? The guy who I said has SHOWN he CAN defend top players. Here:

[ChooChooCat]

My ace defender? The guy who I said has SHOWN he CAN defend top players. Here:

Any time he's had to defend a player with any sort of remote athletic ability he's failed. He's been bullied multiple times this season alone.

He can not defend TOP players and the fact you insinuate as much would make him your ace wouldn't it? If he even remotely had the ability he'd be the one defending the other team's top option, but he's never given that assignment for good reason. I'd post a stupid Drake picture for you too, but it's not worth it.

[rgdeuce]

How many guards in the conference are better than Alford, Payton and Andrews? They are all Pac 12 first teamers, two of them are probably top 5 candidates for conference POY. He didn't fail against them, did a pretty good job on all three in McKale.

[Harvey Specter]

An elite program is one that makes Final Fours. We haven't been making those. But we're still an elite program, so we better get to the Final Four. Why? So we can be considered an elite program.

I'm getting dizzy.

Yes an Elite program is one that makes final fours. I believe our program CAN be an elite program as it was from 1988 through 2001 but since then we have simply been a good to great program. Nothing special or that will get remembered by the average college basketball fan. When we start making final fours again and hopefully winning a national championship again then we can be back in that same list as Duke, North Carolina, etc.

We are a Great BUT program right now. Arizona is Great BUT they keep losing in the Final Four. Sean Miler is a great coach BUT he still has not made a final four. Arizona is great BUT they have lost 5 elite 8 games since 2003.

I dont want to be a Great BUT program, I want to be Elite PERIOD Elite. We recruit at an elite level, we have facilities at an Elite level, I think our coaching is elite BUT until we make final fours we will not be viewed as an Elite program. And I personally hate that so anything that does not help us get back to being Elite is basically irrelevant to me.

Maybe I am too competitive or much more competitive then the people here. All I know is I have asked all my buddies the question whether they would be excited if we won the PAC 12 title and all of them said they could give two sh*ts and the only thing that matters is how we perform in the tourney.

I get I am debating Diehards which is kind of like me trying to convince crack heads in a crack house that crack isnt good for them. We all want the same thing in the end I just care a lot less about things which do not end the "Arizona is great BUT"

That is what it is Newport... You are just a wolf among sheep, a gladiator surrounded by monks... you competitive animal you!

Give me a break. So you have to be in the top 4 out of 347, or you are a failure? Okay, Eldrick. Who cares if I am number 1 in the Western US at my job... If I am not top 4 on the globe then I deserve to be fired!

You are clearly.an over-achieving MMA street fighter. Women want you... Men fear you... Children want to be like you. Us mere mortals are humbled to be in the presence of your greatness.

By your defeatist definition, the world is filled with losers... and I am quite sure you are probably one of them. But call it competitiveness if you wish.

I never said a season without a Final Four is a failure, I said it was irrelevant. Big difference. Not making the tournament is a Failure. At a program like Arizona making the tournament but not making the Final Four is an unsuccessful season that is irrelevant and should be quickly forgotten. It is not a failure, but it is not a successful season.

Failure is when you go out in college and don't bring home a girl and go to bed alone.
Irrelevant is when you go out in college and bring home a fat or ugly girl and screw her. Failure no because you had Sex, Successful No because the girl was fat or ugly
Success is when you go out in college and bring home a hot chick and screw her.

Harvey I bet you were real good at U of A trying to convince you buddies "Dude, she was not that fat, she was just big boned"

Actually that was typically the MO of dudes with bushy porn staches. Why do imagine that you probably have one?

Worst Comeback ever...first round flame out. Not sure Why Do Imagine

So I am not wrong, then? I'll bet you wear a hat with a shirt and tie because you are prematurely balding. 'Receding hairlines and porn staches are usually signals that 'a chick isn't fat if she weighs less than I do'.

You're all hat and no cattle. Try applying the same standards for success to your career as your do to our basketballs program... and don't embarrass yourself by trying to pretend that you do. Playa.

[Harvey Specter]

Anyone think we can win on Saturday? I was expecting a split this week, not 0-2. Feels like L.A. all over again.

I have no doubt we can win. We will have to see whether or not we do - that is why they play the games.

This idea that because we played like shit on Wednesday automatically means that we will play like shit on Saturday is ridiculous. IF we play well, we are FULLY capable of beating the Utes tomorrow. Especially with Zeus playing the way he has been, and I have little doubt he will be playing with something to prove.

[Newportcat]

Harvey your comebacks are so weak. I wear a hat with a tie and shirt because I am balding? What does that even mean? I am all hat no cattle...wow God I feel so hurt.

You bring up my career again which almost makes me believe you know me as if you knew me you would know to bring up my career in an effort to prove I am not successful is literally the worst argument against me you could ever make.

News flash, there are a ton of Arizona fans out there who especially after last two seasons have a final four or bust mentality. I don't know a single Arizona basketball fan in real life who doesn't think this way. Who doesn't feel like any season where we don't get over the hump and make a final four again will not be a season we remember. Sure a lot of the people here don't but again a message board is never a good indication for how normal fans think. I have friends who went to duke and North Carolina and they think the same way too. My North Carolina buddy wants Roy Williams fired since he hasn't made a final four since 2009.

But your friends are all losers Newport who will never be successful because they wear ties and don't have hair but have mustaches. BURN

[rgdeuce]

This is the fight club thread