2016-2017 Arizona Basketball

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:59 pm

catgrad97 wrote:I have as much respect as the next guy for what Altman is doing at Oregon. But No. 5, above Carolina and Wisky, they ain't.

If OR is healthy, they're absolutely a top 5 team this year.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:06 pm

But they're not healthy.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:24 pm

Chicat wrote:But they're not healthy.

No reason to expect they won't be healthy when it counts.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:09 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:But they're not healthy.
No reason to expect they won't be healthy when it counts.

Brooks might not be healthy at the beginning of the season.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:15 am

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:05 am

I only care about preseason rankings if we are completely disrespected. If a team is within 3-4 of where they should be, not that big of a deal.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:48 pm

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... ean-miller" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:54 pm

Main Event wrote:http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... ean-miller

They forgot to mention the decline.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:38 am

Tried to run
Tried to hide
Break on through to the other side (Doors)

Bottom line...

The Wildcats may not match up favorably with the teams Miller led to the Elite Eight in 2014 and 2015, but it’s not crazy to think this outfit could break through to the national semifinals.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:45 am

We're not as good as 13-14 or 14-15, but going to the Final Four isn't just about being good. The NCAA tourney has such a high degree of randomness, that if you're good enough, the rest is up to how things break. They've been breaking against us for a while.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:04 am

Yep. Miller is due.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:47 pm

Good read on Rawle Alkins

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2016/9/ ... basketball" target="_blank

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:14 pm

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:18 pm

Main Event wrote:

It got posted in the other thread, and it''s all I can think of now. Lauren Bruner is dwarfing PJC in that picture.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:15 pm

Who starts more games at PG? Kadeem or PJC? Neither has me excited. Id rather have Trier bring the ball up with Kadeem or PJC spotting up or coming off screens

Hopefully we go positionless on offense a lot this year. 3 - 5 are all basically 7'. Even the bench guys

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:18 pm

23 days till Red Blue

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:08 am

Wildcat Ray Smith ready to play some basketball

http://zonazealots.com/2016/09/21/playe ... ray-smith/" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:26 am

Jefe wrote:Who starts more games at PG? Kadeem or PJC? Neither has me excited. Id rather have Trier bring the ball up with Kadeem or PJC spotting up or coming off screens

Hopefully we go positionless on offense a lot this year. 3 - 5 are all basically 7'. Even the bench guys

Kadeem or Kobi is the question I would think is more likely.

RichardCranium · Post by **RichardCranium** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:33 am

Jefe wrote:23 days till Red Blue

Go Red. I'm all in for Red this year; Blue just doesn't impress.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:34 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Jefe wrote:Who starts more games at PG? Kadeem or PJC? Neither has me excited. Id rather have Trier bring the ball up with Kadeem or PJC spotting up or coming off screens

Hopefully we go positionless on offense a lot this year. 3 - 5 are all basically 7'. Even the bench guys
Kadeem or Kobi is the question I would think is more likely.

Not sure why I keep seeing articles about PJC possibly starting. Maybe if he was 6" taller he would be in the conversation. Don't recall a single game last year (and I saw them all) where PJC wasn't the shortest guy on the floor.

EOCT · Post by **EOCT** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:53 am

PJC will bring some value.

You can't teach short.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:32 pm

Merkin wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Jefe wrote:Who starts more games at PG? Kadeem or PJC? Neither has me excited. Id rather have Trier bring the ball up with Kadeem or PJC spotting up or coming off screens

Hopefully we go positionless on offense a lot this year. 3 - 5 are all basically 7'. Even the bench guys
Kadeem or Kobi is the question I would think is more likely.
Not sure why I keep seeing articles about PJC possibly starting. Maybe if he was 6" taller he would be in the conversation. Don't recall a single game last year (and I saw them all) where PJC wasn't the shortest guy on the floor.

I can envision him starting. The beginning of that vision is always Kobi and Kadeem playing really poorly.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:08 pm

For those thinking it's between Kobi and Kadeem for the point guard spot I sure wouldn't get my hopes up.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:27 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:For those thinking it's between Kobi and Kadeem for the point guard spot I sure wouldn't get my hopes up.

PJC is starting at PG. If he's terrible and Kobi is ready, well, things could change.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:12 pm

EOCT wrote:PJC will bring some value.

You can't teach short.

Love it, EOCT!

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:51 am

Why would PJC start Beach? That was Kadeems job last year absent injury/sickness all year, outside of a couple games from what I recall. Kadeems ceiling even at the college level is much higher than PJCs. And Kadeem is the better defender and matches what we are doing with long, athletic and versatile. Kadeem has to play himself out of the starting job, or Kobi has to come in from the jump and take it from him.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:18 am

rgdeuce wrote:Why would PJC start Beach? That was Kadeems job last year absent injury/sickness all year, outside of a couple games from what I recall. Kadeems ceiling even at the college level is much higher than PJCs. And Kadeem is the better defender and matches what we are doing with long, athletic and versatile. Kadeem has to play himself out of the starting job, or Kobi has to come in from the jump and take it from him.

What if both of them started?

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:19 am

I thought with Gabe gone, Kadeem was going to get more action at the 2 spot thus leaving pg duties to PJC and Kobi. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:42 am

84Cat wrote:I thought with Gabe gone, Kadeem was going to get more action at the 2 spot thus leaving pg duties to PJC and Kobi. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

We have Zo and Rawle who are both great 2 guard options. I would think Zo gets about 30 mpg, so ti.e on the wing will probably be in short supply.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:47 am

rgdeuce wrote:Why would PJC start Beach? That was Kadeems job last year absent injury/sickness all year, outside of a couple games from what I recall. Kadeems ceiling even at the college level is much higher than PJCs. And Kadeem is the better defender and matches what we are doing with long, athletic and versatile. Kadeem has to play himself out of the starting job, or Kobi has to come in from the jump and take it from him.

This.

We saw this exact competition and Kadeem won it last year. PJC's biggest drawback is size and that isn't changing. I don't know why anyone wouldn't think the job skews to Kadeem or Kobi (if he's ready). If they don't pan out, then PJC gets into the conversation.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:56 am

Pretty crowded at the 2 with Alkins, Trier, Kobi Simmons and so on, although they can play the wing too to spell Smith.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:58 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Why would PJC start Beach? That was Kadeems job last year absent injury/sickness all year, outside of a couple games from what I recall. Kadeems ceiling even at the college level is much higher than PJCs. And Kadeem is the better defender and matches what we are doing with long, athletic and versatile. Kadeem has to play himself out of the starting job, or Kobi has to come in from the jump and take it from him.
This.

We saw this exact competition and Kadeem won it last year. PJC's biggest drawback is size and that isn't changing. I don't know why anyone wouldn't think the job skews to Kadeem or Kobi (if he's ready). If they don't pan out, then PJC gets into the conversation.

Hell as much as size was PJC's weakness, his brain and confidence put his height to shame in the weakness category. Guys as small as Parker can play on the high end D1 level, but they're worthless if they don't have the nuts to go up against bigger guys. Maybe that's been fixed and maybe it hasn't, but it certainly sounds like going into the season the staff wants it to be Parker and furthermore they believe he can do it. Sure doesn't mean they're right though.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:07 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Why would PJC start Beach? That was Kadeems job last year absent injury/sickness all year, outside of a couple games from what I recall. Kadeems ceiling even at the college level is much higher than PJCs. And Kadeem is the better defender and matches what we are doing with long, athletic and versatile. Kadeem has to play himself out of the starting job, or Kobi has to come in from the jump and take it from him.
This.

We saw this exact competition and Kadeem won it last year. PJC's biggest drawback is size and that isn't changing. I don't know why anyone wouldn't think the job skews to Kadeem or Kobi (if he's ready). If they don't pan out, then PJC gets into the conversation.
Hell as much as size was PJC's weakness, his brain and confidence put his height to shame in the weakness category. Guys as small as Parker can play on the high end D1 level, but they're worthless if they don't have the nuts to go up against bigger guys. Maybe that's been fixed and maybe it hasn't, but it certainly sounds like going into the season the staff wants it to be Parker and furthermore they believe he can do it. Sure doesn't mean they're right though.

I'm interested about the buzz about the staff wanting it to be Parker. I do not claim to be an insider, so am honestly interested about where this is from.

Not that I have the resume of Sean Miller, but I don't get that logic.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:11 pm

Me thinks both PJC and Kadeem start...at least at first

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:22 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Me thinks both PJC and Kadeem start...at least at first

If you mean the red/blue game, that's cheating.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:24 pm

If PJC weren't very likely to start this year, he'd have transferred. He could probably get more minutes and put up better numbers in a weaker league.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:10 am

Who are the top reserves in college basketball?

Ray Smith, Arizona: His freshman season ended before the year began. A preseason ACL tear ruined Smith’s opportunity to showcase his advanced skill set. Smith, ranked as No. 29 overall recruit, will be cleared to practice and participate in team activities, according to CBS Sports. By late December -- perhaps earlier -- the 6-foot-8 forward and projected first-round pick could enter the starting rotation. But Sean Miller might use Smith as a reserve until he’s confident he’s completely healthy.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketb ... 028/116028" target="_blank

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:08 am

Olsondogg wrote:Me thinks both PJC and Kadeem start...at least at first

Yeah, read that on Scout.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:30 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Why would PJC start Beach? That was Kadeems job last year absent injury/sickness all year, outside of a couple games from what I recall. Kadeems ceiling even at the college level is much higher than PJCs. And Kadeem is the better defender and matches what we are doing with long, athletic and versatile. Kadeem has to play himself out of the starting job, or Kobi has to come in from the jump and take it from him.
This.

We saw this exact competition and Kadeem won it last year. PJC's biggest drawback is size and that isn't changing. I don't know why anyone wouldn't think the job skews to Kadeem or Kobi (if he's ready). If they don't pan out, then PJC gets into the conversation.
Hell as much as size was PJC's weakness, his brain and confidence put his height to shame in the weakness category. Guys as small as Parker can play on the high end D1 level, but they're worthless if they don't have the nuts to go up against bigger guys. Maybe that's been fixed and maybe it hasn't, but it certainly sounds like going into the season the staff wants it to be Parker and furthermore they believe he can do it. Sure doesn't mean they're right though.
I'm interested about the buzz about the staff wanting it to be Parker. I do not claim to be an insider, so am honestly interested about where this is from.

Not that I have the resume of Sean Miller, but I don't get that logic.

I'm certainly not in Sean Miller and Co.'s brain, but my guess is they want it to be Parker because he's really the only actual point guard on this roster. We have a lot of offensive weapons on this team and it would be nice if there was someone capable of finding them in the right spots. They apparently have faith he can get it done this year and has improved enough and I base that solely off the fact that Arizona took Barcello (nice player, but not the answer at point guard as a freshman) and is not recruiting any more point guards now in 2017. Miller certainly has a lot of chips in on PJC, boy do I hope it pays off.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:22 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Me thinks both PJC and Kadeem start...at least at first

So move Trier to 3 and Ray comes off the bench? Id much rather have Ray and Lauri starting

Its going to take 6+ solid games for me to believe PJC even deserves a jersey

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:00 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Why would PJC start Beach? That was Kadeems job last year absent injury/sickness all year, outside of a couple games from what I recall. Kadeems ceiling even at the college level is much higher than PJCs. And Kadeem is the better defender and matches what we are doing with long, athletic and versatile. Kadeem has to play himself out of the starting job, or Kobi has to come in from the jump and take it from him.
This.

We saw this exact competition and Kadeem won it last year. PJC's biggest drawback is size and that isn't changing. I don't know why anyone wouldn't think the job skews to Kadeem or Kobi (if he's ready). If they don't pan out, then PJC gets into the conversation.
Hell as much as size was PJC's weakness, his brain and confidence put his height to shame in the weakness category. Guys as small as Parker can play on the high end D1 level, but they're worthless if they don't have the nuts to go up against bigger guys. Maybe that's been fixed and maybe it hasn't, but it certainly sounds like going into the season the staff wants it to be Parker and furthermore they believe he can do it. Sure doesn't mean they're right though.
I'm interested about the buzz about the staff wanting it to be Parker. I do not claim to be an insider, so am honestly interested about where this is from.

Not that I have the resume of Sean Miller, but I don't get that logic.
I'm certainly not in Sean Miller and Co.'s brain, but my guess is they want it to be Parker because he's really the only actual point guard on this roster. We have a lot of offensive weapons on this team and it would be nice if there was someone capable of finding them in the right spots. They apparently have faith he can get it done this year and has improved enough and I base that solely off the fact that Arizona took Barcello (nice player, but not the answer at point guard as a freshman) and is not recruiting any more point guards now in 2017. Miller certainly has a lot of chips in on PJC, boy do I hope it pays off.

Didn't we fight over Ray Smith being a true SF? Yet here we are on the exact opposite side of whether we need a true pg. My, how the worm has turned.

I guess I just can't see Parker filling that TJ role and think we'd be better suited by having a stronger defensive lineup and emphasizing the "motion" part of motion offense. Let the versatility shine by allowing everyone to have a hand in being a distributor.

I just don't see PJC being the caliber of true pg we need to go to a FF. We might as well g9 a different route. The offense Miller runs actually lends itself to no true pg.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:46 pm

Jefe wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Me thinks both PJC and Kadeem start...at least at first
So move Trier to 3 and Ray comes off the bench? Id much rather have Ray and Lauri starting

Its going to take 6+ solid games for me to believe PJC even deserves a jersey

Wouldn't it be better to ease RS back from his injury by bringing him off the bench to start the season?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:01 pm

With our schedule, Miller might just do that. Come P12 play there's no way PJC and Kadeem start together

Ray hasn't started a game since his junior year of HS...I cant wait to see him in action.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:06 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
Jefe wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Me thinks both PJC and Kadeem start...at least at first
So move Trier to 3 and Ray comes off the bench? Id much rather have Ray and Lauri starting

Its going to take 6+ solid games for me to believe PJC even deserves a jersey

Wouldn't it be better to ease RS back from his injury by bringing him off the bench to start the season?

If Ray is eased back, I'm a little surprised that it isn't Rawle and Zo starting on the wing.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:31 pm

84Cat wrote:I thought with Gabe gone, Kadeem was going to get more action at the 2 spot thus leaving pg duties to PJC and Kobi. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

CSM says Kadeem will be playing mostly off ball this season. He wants to be a defensive stopper. We will see how it plays out.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:05 pm

Looking forward to getting some reports on how RS looks post-surgery.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:15 pm

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:29 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Looking forward to getting some reports on how RS looks post-surgery.

like frankenstein from what I heard.

DaddyO'Cat · Post by **DaddyO'Cat** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:19 pm

Chicat wrote:

Holy Moley! Dudes armpit is just about at the rim. Vince Carter like.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:58 am

Wow. Unreal!

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