2017 recruits/commitment thread

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:27 am

Interesting stats from Trent Dilfer on Sunday NFL Countdown today..."Of the 44 ProBowlers, 12 were zero-star recruits coming out of high school, 7 were 2-star recruits, 37 of the 44 ProBowlers were 3-star or less recruits..." I am not a "stars don't matter" guy but those numbers are really interesting. Here is to wishing RR and his staff find some of those "ProBowlers-in-training," lord knows we ain't gonna get the 5 star men.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:47 am

That's 56 out of how many 0-3 star guys?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:51 am

It doesn't really matter as he can't develop those players either. How many all PAC players has he had from his classes?

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:07 am

Young men develop at different ages. A 5* recruit will have developed early and a 2-3* develops later and is more mentally mature. A lot of guys who have great NFL careers develop later and have a better mind set for success. The guys that develop later have to succeed on proper technique and form to make it, then when they mature physically - look out. They weren't getting by on being bigger earlier than everyone else.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:55 am

Cats beat out a directional school.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:03 pm

New low in recruiting. I swear that Rich Rod is doing this on purpose.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:08 pm

Merkin wrote:Cats beat out a directional school.

That is the first 0 star I have seen on Rivals... according to them, he did not have any other offers. He's from Florida, so it is hard to imagine him not getting much exposure.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/ ... leges=show" target="_blank

That said, I am happy for the kid that he is going to get a college scholarship and play college football. Congrats to him...

tgrumpy2 · Post by **tgrumpy2** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:24 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
Merkin wrote:Cats beat out a directional school.

That is the first 0 star I have seen on Rivals... according to them, he did not have any other offers. He's from Florida, so it is hard to imagine him not getting much exposure.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/ ... leges=show" target="_blank

That said, I am happy for the kid that he is going to get a college scholarship and play college football. Congrats to him...

Oh come on. He had three other offers from nobody important. Old Dominion, Northern Illinois and someone else. He's a 183lb outside linebacker. We can only hope he's got blazing speed and they have another position in mind for him.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:26 pm

He was committed to South Alabama, and didn't make any trips unofficial or official to Arizona. According to Scheer, he will be in town in 2 weeks to start classes.

Power 5 conference school? Why not! Travel on jets instead of buses.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:38 pm

tgrumpy2 wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
Merkin wrote:Cats beat out a directional school.

That is the first 0 star I have seen on Rivals... according to them, he did not have any other offers. He's from Florida, so it is hard to imagine him not getting much exposure.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/ ... leges=show" target="_blank

That said, I am happy for the kid that he is going to get a college scholarship and play college football. Congrats to him...

Oh come on. He had three other offers from nobody important. Old Dominion, Northern Illinois and someone else. He's a 183lb outside linebacker. We can only hope he's got blazing speed and they have another position in mind for him.

You are right... my bad. I just looked at it again and realized I interpreted it wrong.

My apologies.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:10 pm

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:16 pm

"no star Jose"

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:25 pm

So who take credit for Jose? Is this Jahmile Addae's recruit? So is addae still with the safeties and yates with the corners?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:32 pm

Best class ever. Damn I need to get my tickets soon. Holy shit, what a class. Beating out OSU.......wait.....is that ODU? Is that Old Dominion. OMG LOL LOL LOL LOL. Now we need Cordero for some fun

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:12 pm

azcat49 wrote:Best class ever. Damn I need to get my tickets soon. Holy shit, what a class. Beating out OSU.......wait.....is that ODU? Is that Old Dominion. OMG LOL LOL LOL LOL. Now we need Cordero for some fun

Step away from the keyboard

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:13 pm

whatisee wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Best class ever. Damn I need to get my tickets soon. Holy shit, what a class. Beating out OSU.......wait.....is that ODU? Is that Old Dominion. OMG LOL LOL LOL LOL. Now we need Cordero for some fun
Step away from the keyboard

Actually you might need to... I get wanting to be positive, but the degree to which you and catinfl try to put a positive spin on recruiting and the guys we sign is worthy of warranting a drug test.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:37 pm

whatisee wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Best class ever. Damn I need to get my tickets soon. Holy shit, what a class. Beating out OSU.......wait.....is that ODU? Is that Old Dominion. OMG LOL LOL LOL LOL. Now we need Cordero for some fun
Step away from the keyboard

Hey what you don't see, RR sucks and right now he has no credibility in inking a no star 183 pound LB

This is just another body to fill a uniform. He recruits like Ben Lindsey. Remember him. Lute Didn't want his recruit and no other power 5 team wants this guy.i am sure no 9ne watches FLORIDA football and this guy was just missed. No doubt the Gators, Noles and the canes will be offeri.g in mere days

catinfl · Post by **catinfl** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:31 am

Harvey Specter wrote:
whatisee wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Best class ever. Damn I need to get my tickets soon. Holy shit, what a class. Beating out OSU.......wait.....is that ODU? Is that Old Dominion. OMG LOL LOL LOL LOL. Now we need Cordero for some fun
Step away from the keyboard
Actually you might need to... I get wanting to be positive, but the degree to which you and catinfl try to put a positive spin on recruiting and the guys we sign is worthy of warranting a drug test.

Alright, well it was either we lose an early enrollee spot. (the one Brand was supposed to take) or take a kid like this. A kid with a 6'3 frame, he's thin and by no means a plan A, but he had 136 tackles in a high division in Florida. I'm not gonna sit here and spin this in any way, he's a plan B, but it was either lose a spot or take a kid who has a good frame and has a chance to add a lot of weight who can also enroll early. I tend to stay positive, it is a lot more fun than those who sit here and scream the sky is falling.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:36 am

It isn't falling, it has toppled down. We were 1 and freaking 8 people. A 183 pound backer will be ready to play in what, 2 years, if he doesn't lose a Ton of speed. So who cares if he was an early enrollee other than RR.

It was he who was selling hope in the best class ever. That help was right around the corner. Year 6 and we are getting zero star recruits now. Where is the tweet about we do our own evals? On to the next?

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:49 am

azcat49 wrote:It isn't falling, it has toppled down. We were 1 and freaking 8 people. A 183 pound backer will be ready to play in what, 2 years, if he doesn't lose a Ton of speed. So who cares if he was an early enrollee other than RR.

It was he who was selling hope in the best class ever. That help was right around the corner. Year 6 and we are getting zero star recruits now. Where is the tweet about we do our own evals? On to the next?

It's Christmas, and you you come here to talk shit about 17 year old kids? You should feel good about yourself. Remember parents and kids who want to come to the U of A love reading these fan sites, and your daily bullshit diatribe. But continue complaining about the very thing you have a hand in damaging.

Merry Christmas

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:54 am

You are to funny...and stupid. I am not talking about the kid. I am talking about RR. Seems only the top kids and their parents read this board as the 2 star and below accept his offers

And there is no sparing the rod, he makes 3m a year and he paid to recruit better than this.

I feel great about my post because it's accurate. RR is a joke. Pass another present please

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:14 am

azcat49 wrote:You are to funny...and stupid. I am not talking about the kid. I am talking about RR. Seems only the top kids and their parents read this board as the 2 star and below accept his offers

And there is no sparing the rod, he makes 3m a year and he paid to recruit better than this.

I feel great about my post because it's accurate. RR is a joke. Pass another present please

Stupid huh? It was nice trying to have a conversation with you, but I can see you're just a fucking idiot.

You're not only talking about RR when you talk about all these shitty kids he's recruited, but your also talking about the kids themselves. You understand this right?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:21 am

Hey its great all these non power 5 kids will get a chance to play big time football. Of course in a few years they will be playing for a different coach and most will be recruited over.

Keep supporting blindly though as I am sure we will miraculously change as RR is do great at developing players as well (so many all conference guys).

No one was more of a RR supporter than I over the years. Just ask Chief. It pains me to say he was right. I don't think he can dig out of this and I know he can't signing kids who won't be ready for a couple years at best

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:35 pm

catinfl wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
whatisee wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Best class ever. Damn I need to get my tickets soon. Holy shit, what a class. Beating out OSU.......wait.....is that ODU? Is that Old Dominion. OMG LOL LOL LOL LOL. Now we need Cordero for some fun
Step away from the keyboard
Actually you might need to... I get wanting to be positive, but the degree to which you and catinfl try to put a positive spin on recruiting and the guys we sign is worthy of warranting a drug test.

Alright, well it was either we lose an early enrollee spot. (the one Brand was supposed to take) or take a kid like this. A kid with a 6'3 frame, he's thin and by no means a plan A, but he had 136 tackles in a high division in Florida. I'm not gonna sit here and spin this in any way, he's a plan B, but it was either lose a spot or take a kid who has a good frame and has a chance to add a lot of weight who can also enroll early. I tend to stay positive, it is a lot more fun than those who sit here and scream the sky is falling.

If this is true, would appear to be pointless to deride the signing?!! I'll take a prospect, even with no stars, as opposed to lose a spot! That's a lot of tackles for 11 games!!

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:38 pm

UALoco wrote:Interesting stats from Trent Dilfer on Sunday NFL Countdown today..."Of the 44 ProBowlers, 12 were zero-star recruits coming out of high school, 7 were 2-star recruits, 37 of the 44 ProBowlers were 3-star or less recruits..." I am not a "stars don't matter" guy but those numbers are really interesting. Here is to wishing RR and his staff find some of those "ProBowlers-in-training," lord knows we ain't gonna get the 5 star men.

Seems the Wildcats are due to hit with these stats in mind!! Lol!!

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:26 am

chiefzona wrote:New low in recruiting. I swear that Rich Rod is doing this on purpose.

It's irresponsible

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:33 am

chiefzona wrote:New low in recruiting. I swear that Rich Rod is doing this on purpose.

Apparently you don't know as much about the football team as you thought you did

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:26 am

whatisee wrote:
chiefzona wrote:New low in recruiting. I swear that Rich Rod is doing this on purpose.
Apparently you don't know as much about the football team as you thought you did

I've always been right around the mark with this program. It drives the pundits mad. They get paid to shovel the bullshit to the idiots who pay for it. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:58 am

ramcat wrote:
catinfl wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
whatisee wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Best class ever. Damn I need to get my tickets soon. Holy shit, what a class. Beating out OSU.......wait.....is that ODU? Is that Old Dominion. OMG LOL LOL LOL LOL. Now we need Cordero for some fun
Step away from the keyboard
Actually you might need to... I get wanting to be positive, but the degree to which you and catinfl try to put a positive spin on recruiting and the guys we sign is worthy of warranting a drug test.

Alright, well it was either we lose an early enrollee spot. (the one Brand was supposed to take) or take a kid like this. A kid with a 6'3 frame, he's thin and by no means a plan A, but he had 136 tackles in a high division in Florida. I'm not gonna sit here and spin this in any way, he's a plan B, but it was either lose a spot or take a kid who has a good frame and has a chance to add a lot of weight who can also enroll early. I tend to stay positive, it is a lot more fun than those who sit here and scream the sky is falling.
If this is true, would appear to be pointless to deride the signing?!! I'll take a prospect, even with no stars, as opposed to lose a spot! That's a lot of tackles for 11 games!!

You don't lose a spot as you can always roll a player up or back depending on spots avaiable. Granted mid year guys are tough to find but for those that are, you are hoping they can contribute sooner rather than later.

Maybe this guy can surprise. He does have nice production but I am past the we do our own evaluations and stars don't matter. Most of the guys he has brought on have not developed. In fact less then 50% of his recruited classes (first 3 I think) are still here and few have contributed.

He was telling us that this will be the best AZ class ever. I don't think it gets there. While schools like Maryland and Oregon flip our guys we are busy stealing Old Dominion and South Alabama guys.

catinfl · Post by **catinfl** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:48 pm

chiefzona wrote:
whatisee wrote:
chiefzona wrote:New low in recruiting. I swear that Rich Rod is doing this on purpose.
Apparently you don't know as much about the football team as you thought you did

I've always been right around the mark with this program. It drives the pundits mad. They get paid to shovel the bullshit to the idiots who pay for it. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Lmao chief. Never change <3

Footballjunkie · Post by **Footballjunkie** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:58 pm

At my job when someone minimally qualified gets a job, we always ask "Who is he related to?"
Could he be the cousin or nephew of one of the new defensive staff? RR? Boone?

I'm pulling for the guy to get a scholarship but would have preferred someone local to prevent any homesickness.
If he doesn't at least make Special Teams in his first year, or have a hot mom, sister or GF, its a disappointment.

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:05 am

So let me get this right.

We traveled about as far as we could to find a recruit that that is undersized, and has no stars and zero major or mid-major school interest.

Out of the thousands of football players in the state of Texas alone not one of them were available to be signed by us.

This has got to be the football equivalent of the twilight zone. Chief has a point, I'm not sure you could actually recruit this poorly by accident.

Absolutely nothing against the young man.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:51 am

Not sure of the accuracy of this but indicating 3 stars?

http://www.recruitingnewsguru.com/arizo ... e-ramirez/" target="_blank

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:24 am

A little more on Ramirez. Appears his weight is up over 200 lbs. Additionally, this service shows some pretty solid ratings on his play.

http://bigcountypreps.com/181/5-availab ... prospects/" target="_blank

Played center on bball team, and shows weight to 209lbs, which would think would be more recent, since basketball within the last couple of months.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/jose-ra ... efault.htm" target="_blank

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:09 pm

Film is good, production is good. Have to wonder how every FBS school in Florida passed and how he received no stars?

Scary thought in that we have no true MLB on the roster right now and none committed that I know of. I guess John Kenny could move inside or maybe Neves?

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:47 pm

azcat49 wrote:Film is good, production is good. Have to wonder how every FBS school in Florida passed and how he received no stars?

Scary thought in that we have no true MLB on the roster right now and none committed that I know of. I guess John Kenny could move inside or maybe Neves?

We actually have two committed, Josh Brown and now Colin Schooler.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:11 pm

gronk4heisman wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Film is good, production is good. Have to wonder how every FBS school in Florida passed and how he received no stars?

Scary thought in that we have no true MLB on the roster right now and none committed that I know of. I guess John Kenny could move inside or maybe Neves?
We actually have two committed, Josh Brown and now Colin Schooler.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:14 pm

Love this pickup!!!

https://twitter.com/SchoolerColin/statu ... 6949920768" target="_blank

http://247sports.com/Player/Colin-Schooler-89571" target="_blank

http://www.scout.com/college/football/r ... s-prospect" target="_blank

http://usatodayhss.com/2016/video-missi ... n-offense/" target="_blank

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:11 pm

Yes, I do like Schooler. Forgot about Brown. Hopi g we can hold on to him.

Need that OT that is looking at us and LSU and Oklahoma. Now that would really help

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:16 pm

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:18 pm

He'll play at LB. He comes from a good athletic family. I know them well. Chief approved.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:40 pm

Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:03 pm

whatisee wrote:Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill

Are any of those 3 committed athletes projected to play RB?

I hope this class finishes ranked where it is currently... that would be positive.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:37 pm

whatisee wrote:Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill

Any of those D lineman over 247 lbs?

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:48 pm

azgreg wrote:
whatisee wrote:Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill
Any of those D lineman over 247 lbs?

The 3 DL are listed as 6'3 260, 6'3 285 and 6'3 310

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:53 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
azgreg wrote:
whatisee wrote:Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill
Any of those D lineman over 247 lbs?
The 3 DL are listed as 6'3 260, 6'3 285 and 6'3 310

I am more excited about the smaller 2... when a 300 lber from CA gets zero interest from bigger schools, that gives me cause for concern.

Hopefully he surprises us all!

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:13 am

ASUHATER! wrote:
azgreg wrote:
whatisee wrote:Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill
Any of those D lineman over 247 lbs?
The 3 DL are listed as 6'3 260, 6'3 285 and 6'3 310

Which really doesn't matter when the Arizona offense is fast-paced. It wears those big guys out faster than the smaller ones and then you need depth and quick subs to offset it.

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:29 am

chiefzona wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
azgreg wrote:
whatisee wrote:Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill
Any of those D lineman over 247 lbs?
The 3 DL are listed as 6'3 260, 6'3 285 and 6'3 310

Which really doesn't matter when the Arizona offense is fast-paced. It wears those big guys out faster than the smaller ones and then you need depth and quick subs to offset it.

Chief, why does it matter to our DLs that Arizona's offense is fast paced and "wears those big guys our faster..."?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:31 am

Offense isn't on the field as long so the defense is back out much faster

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:29 am

ASUHATER! wrote:
azgreg wrote:
whatisee wrote:Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill
Any of those D lineman over 247 lbs?
The 3 DL are listed as 6'3 260, 6'3 285 and 6'3 310

The 260 lb DT is recovering from a torn knee meniscus
The 285 lb guy is rumored to be close to decommitting.........and he just received an offer from Michigan State
The 300 lb guy is a 2 star JUCO who had Zero offers from Power 5 schools other than the UA

and our sole Redshirt DT spent the entire year rehabbing a badly broken leg.

I think that RRod needs to keep on recruiting additional DT's............we may be even thinner at that position in 2017 than we were in 2016.

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