2016-2017 Arizona Basketball

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:10 pm

azcat49 wrote:New date is 1/11 on the street

Well that's the first day of classes

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:06 pm

He should be eligible by April.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:33 pm

azcat49 wrote:New date is 1/11 on the street

I feel pretty confident it'll be before then.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:49 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
azcat49 wrote:New date is 1/11 on the street
I feel pretty confident it'll be before then.

All right!

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:00 am

Alright Hamilton!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:16 am

I'd prefer him in the gym.

"You both kicked off your shoes
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues ...

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:20 am

Beachcat97 wrote:He should be eligible by April.

A little while later.

"Guys can we talk basketball? Let's do some lineups"

PJC
KS
RA
LM
DS

PJC
KS
RA
LM
DS

PJC
KS
RA
LM
DS

LS
MF
T

Lucky Strikes Means Fine Tobacco

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:33 am

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:59 am

Got my tickets for tonights game!

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:28 am

There are times we wonder if the national pundits are paying attention.

And then there are times when they make it clear...perfectly clear...they didn't watch us at all

Myron Metcalf on ESPN talking about his 0-4 weekend picks a couple weeks ago, and making excuses for how crazy things happened to make his "hard picks" because he won't pick easy ones, all fall apart...

...and his Texas A&M vs Arizona pick loss has this incredible explanation:

Two weeks ago, you laughed. We cried.

0-4. Missed every pick. Or ... just four picks from a perfect weekend. It’s all about perspective.

But look at that wacky weekend again. Malik Monk scored 47 in a win over North Carolina. A late run helped Arizona overcome Texas A&M. Notre Dame had a 14-point lead at halftime but lost to Purdue. And we knew Indiana and Butler would battle in a tight game. We just flipped the teams.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketb ... nked-teams

A. Late run. Helped ARIZONA? Beat A&M?

If by late run, you mean we hit a free throw after a 22 point lead was cut to one possession? Is that how he would back out of that statement?

The dude absolutely did not watch the game. He read an article, read about the late run, saw we won, and got it mixed up in his head, because who the fuck can handle researching FOUR WHOLE GAMES?

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:41 am

I mean, I suppose we did end the game on a 2-0 run over the last 15 seconds.

After an 18-0 TAMU run cut the lead from 65-45 to 65-63.

but, technically, yes...we powered through late with that 2-0 run on Alkin's FTs.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:04 am

Maybe he meant that aTm's late run helped us overcome them. It's deeper logic than the sheeple are used to.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:06 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Maybe he meant that aTm's late run helped us overcome them. It's deeper logic than the sheeple are used to.

deep. Cause, like...we wouldn't have had anything to overcome if A&M hadn't had that run. It would have been just an easy walk, but because A&M came back so strong, we were able to overcome. We Have Overcome!

Deep, deep shit...

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:25 am

EVCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Maybe he meant that aTm's late run helped us overcome them. It's deeper logic than the sheeple are used to.
deep. Cause, like...we wouldn't have had anything to overcome if A&M hadn't had that run. It would have been just an easy walk, but because A&M came back so strong, we were able to overcome. We Have Overcome!

Deep, deep shit...

If aTm hadn't made that run, we might have just left early to beat traffic and wound up forfeiting.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:38 pm

Bubble team

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:45 pm

I don't give a shit what one idiot called them. These are some tough motherfuckers.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:48 pm

Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:23 am

rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.

Why exactly?

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:28 am

enfuego wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Why exactly?

Because we would have won at TCU tonight by 70, not 6.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:15 am

enfuego wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Why exactly?

12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:37 am

So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:42 am

azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played

Lauri and Chance were needed at the 4. Pinder not a good defender for Rabb.

FreeSpiritCat · Post by **FreeSpiritCat** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:46 am

azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played

I was thinking the same thing. It's not as if he couldn't be used. Is he in CSMs doghouse. It doesn't make sense. There is something there we aren't seeing.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:56 am

Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played
Lauri and Chance were needed at the 4. Pinder not a good defender for Rabb.

Maybe so. BTW, you called the LM on IR in the second half. Nice call. Guess we will find out tomorrow if he gets usual minutes

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:04 am

enfuego wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Why exactly?

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:07 am

Pinder's minutes in general are going to take a hit with each wing who returns.

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:21 am

rgdeuce wrote:Pinder's minutes in general are going to take a hit with each wing who returns.

He really is quite terrible. He is a body and allows for others to get some quick rest, but he is a liability. Is there a layup he has not missed yet this season?

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:34 am

ASUHATER! wrote:
enfuego wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Why exactly?
12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.

You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:39 am

Huh, where's Ray smith, Terrance Ferguson, trier and until last night PJC on the roster?

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:50 am

enfuego wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
enfuego wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Why exactly?
12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.
You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".

Do some research before making stupid comments:

- PJC has been out for 4 weeks
- Ray Smith, who was supposed to be a key contributor this year, had to retire due to yet another knee injury
- Terrance Ferguson a 5 star stud recruit decided to play for pay instead of playing college ball
- Kadeem Allen missed a few games with an injury
- Chance Comanche missed a few games due to academic problems
- Trier, our best returning player, hasn't played a minute this year

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:54 am

EastCoastCat wrote:
enfuego wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
enfuego wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Why exactly?
12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.
You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".
Do some research before making stupid comments:

- PJC has been out for 4 weeks
- Ray Smith, who was supposed to be a key contributor this year, had to retire due to yet another knee injury
- Kadeem Allen missed a few games with an injury
- Chance Comanche missed a few games due to academic problems
- Trier, our best returning player, hasn't played a minute this year

PJC - I'll give you. But a 5'6" point guard who shouldn't be starting for a D1 team, is hardly a loss.
Ray Smith retired. He's not technically a player you are missing, as you never had him.

Kadeem and Comanche are meh. Kadeem is a miss, but Comanche isn't. You still have Ristic and Lauri and that Pinder guy.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:01 am

Let me put it another way as facts don't seem to be your strong point.

How many other Top 20 teams have been playing with 7 scholarship players?

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:08 am

EastCoastCat wrote:Let me put it another way as facts don't seem to be your strong point.

How many other Top 20 teams have been playing with 7 scholarship players?

1. Parker Jackson-Cartwright
2. Rawle Alkins
3. Kobi Simmons
4. Kadeem Allen
5. Lauri Markkanen
6. Dusan Ristic
7. Chance Comanche
8. Keanu Pinder
9. Jake DesJardins

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:10 am

enfuego wrote:
EastCoastCat wrote:Let me put it another way as facts don't seem to be your strong point.

How many other Top 20 teams have been playing with 7 scholarship players?
1. Parker Jackson-Cartwright
2. Rawle Alkins
3. Kobi Simmons
4. Kadeem Allen
5. Lauri Markkanen
6. Dusan Ristic
7. Chance Comanche
8. Keanu Pinder
9. Jake DesJardins

DesJardins is a walkon and PJC has been out. That equals seven.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:29 am

Once Trier gets some playing time under his belt this year, we are going to be very good.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:33 am

Quit while you're behind enflamo.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:05 pm

i nearly went into cardiac arrest when kadeem limped off the floor in the second half last night. thankfully, he returned shortly thereafter and looked all right. anyone know what it was? appeared to be a cramp or bruise - was hoping he didn't re-tweak his knee. it was on the left side, if memory serves...

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:38 pm

dirtbags wrote:i nearly went into cardiac arrest when kadeem limped off the floor in the second half last night. thankfully, he returned shortly thereafter and looked all right. anyone know what it was? appeared to be a cramp or bruise - was hoping he didn't re-tweak his knee. it was on the left side, if memory serves...

Sean Miller said that Kadeem cramped up, and mentioned how much worse the situation would have been if PJC didn't play 20 minutes last night.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:00 pm

Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:56 pm

Enfuego knows more about this team than BeachCat does.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:11 pm

Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played
Lauri and Chance were needed at the 4. Pinder not a good defender for Rabb.

Just curious why you think Pinder wouldn't have been good on Rabb this game. More length required to defend him?

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:49 pm

Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.

I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.

All of that said, Arizona is guard heavy and has a decent post rotation (Ristic/Lauri/Pinder/Chase) and is a legit Sweet 16 team. You can boo hoo all you want about what could have been, or you can be realistic about what you're playing with now. KU goes two deep in the post with Azubuike out for the season and we're title contenders.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:57 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played
Lauri and Chance were needed at the 4. Pinder not a good defender for Rabb.
Just curious why you think Pinder wouldn't have been good on Rabb this game. More length required to defend him?

Absolutely. And Pinder is at his best against less talented or old-school fours who don't stretch the floor. Rabb would drag Pinder way too far from the rim for comfort. Rabb isn't the quickest but he's too quick for Pinder if he puts the ball on the floor out there. There's certainly a ton of fours who Chance can't guard but he stands a decent chance against Rabb's size. Otherwise, Rabb is a nightmare to defend, and downright unguardable at mid-range when he's feeling it, and when that happens it doesn't matter who's guarding him. Anyway you slice it, Ristic is useless against Rabb, who exposes the defensive limitations of true low-post center in the college game.

I can't believe that I actually told someone early last season that I'd rather have a senior Ryan Anderson than a freshman Ivan Rabb. What an idiot.

I'd still take a sophomore Markannen over a freshman Rabb, though. By conference tourney time, I don't think there will be many who disagree with that.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:02 pm

enfuego wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.
I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.

All of that said, Arizona is guard heavy and has a decent post rotation (Ristic/Lauri/Pinder/Chase) and is a legit Sweet 16 team. You can boo hoo all you want about what could have been, or you can be realistic about what you're playing with now. KU goes two deep in the post with Azubuike out for the season and we're title contenders.

Lumping in Ray Smith with Ferguson is exactly like your wins as "technical losses" posts. Ray Smith is on the 2016-17 roster to this day. He blew his knee out in a pre-season scrimmage, and he's a huge loss to his team.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:38 pm

Longhorned wrote:
enfuego wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.
I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.

All of that said, Arizona is guard heavy and has a decent post rotation (Ristic/Lauri/Pinder/Chase) and is a legit Sweet 16 team. You can boo hoo all you want about what could have been, or you can be realistic about what you're playing with now. KU goes two deep in the post with Azubuike out for the season and we're title contenders.
Lumping in Ray Smith with Ferguson is exactly like your wins as "technical losses" posts. Ray Smith is on the 2016-17 roster to this day. He blew his knee out in a pre-season scrimmage, and he's a huge loss to his team.

I guess you didn't read my post. Let me put it this way: with what you have, you are performing as expected and your ceiling will be Sweet 16. What could of, should of, would of been, is irrelevant. Playing to par would not put Miller in contention for COTY. Heck in the Pac12 that will probably go to Alford and nationally it is still too early to call.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:29 pm

enfuego wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
enfuego wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.
I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.

All of that said, Arizona is guard heavy and has a decent post rotation (Ristic/Lauri/Pinder/Chase) and is a legit Sweet 16 team. You can boo hoo all you want about what could have been, or you can be realistic about what you're playing with now. KU goes two deep in the post with Azubuike out for the season and we're title contenders.
Lumping in Ray Smith with Ferguson is exactly like your wins as "technical losses" posts. Ray Smith is on the 2016-17 roster to this day. He blew his knee out in a pre-season scrimmage, and he's a huge loss to his team.
I guess you didn't read my post. Let me put it this way: with what you have, you are performing as expected and your ceiling will be Sweet 16. What could of, should of, would of been, is irrelevant. Playing to par would not put Miller in contention for COTY. Heck in the Pac12 that will probably go to Alford and nationally it is still too early to call.

I did read your post. In the initial post that got you responding, rgdeuce wrote, "Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far." You believe that this team should be expected to be where it is now in spite of Miller having to coach through losing his marquee player, his starting 3, his starting point guard for a month, and having to tape over the 1 and the 3 with with shooting guards and a 7-foot power forward playing out of position. Whereas rgdeuce's post is explicitly about Miller's coaching to date, you're stepping outside of the "so far" moment and placing a Sweet 16 ceiling on Arizona. Do I have that right?

luteformayor2 · Post by **luteformayor2** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:03 pm

enfuego wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
enfuego wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Why exactly?
12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.
You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".

You idiot.

Players we are still missing from the presumptive roster as of last spring

- Trier
- Ray Smith
- T Ferguson
- Justin Simon

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:08 pm

Longhorned wrote:
enfuego wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
enfuego wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.
I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.

All of that said, Arizona is guard heavy and has a decent post rotation (Ristic/Lauri/Pinder/Chase) and is a legit Sweet 16 team. You can boo hoo all you want about what could have been, or you can be realistic about what you're playing with now. KU goes two deep in the post with Azubuike out for the season and we're title contenders.
Lumping in Ray Smith with Ferguson is exactly like your wins as "technical losses" posts. Ray Smith is on the 2016-17 roster to this day. He blew his knee out in a pre-season scrimmage, and he's a huge loss to his team.
I guess you didn't read my post. Let me put it this way: with what you have, you are performing as expected and your ceiling will be Sweet 16. What could of, should of, would of been, is irrelevant. Playing to par would not put Miller in contention for COTY. Heck in the Pac12 that will probably go to Alford and nationally it is still too early to call.
I did read your post. In the initial post that got you responding, rgdeuce wrote, "Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far." You believe that this team should be expected to be where it is now in spite of Miller having to coach through losing his marquee player, his starting 3, his starting point guard for a month, and having to tape over the 1 and the 3 with with shooting guards and a 7-foot power forward playing out of position. Whereas rgdeuce's post is explicitly about Miller's coaching to date, you're stepping outside of the "so far" moment and placing a Sweet 16 ceiling on Arizona. Do I have that right?

Yep.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:08 pm

luteformayor2 wrote:
enfuego wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
enfuego wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Why exactly?
12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.
You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".
You idiot.

Players we are still missing from the presumptive roster as of last spring

- Trier
- Ray Smith
- T Ferguson
- Justin Simon

You can't miss what you never had.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:32 pm

Geez enfuego what a troll you are now....smh. If you are going to act like a dbag, go play on your own site.

Usually I like having fans of other sites over here (even you)....and the KU scout site is huge and I have a lot of admiration for the amount of traffic....but if you are just looking to pick fights over things like this post, GTFO and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

PS. I'd likely get banned for posting something obnoxious like this over at your site.....

PSS. I would agree though that Justin Simon is a stretch as he bolted long ago and we had time to prepare for that but the other 3 were definitely unexpected losses.

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