Bribery Scandal - FBI Probe - Book Richardson Involved

conny24 · Post by **conny24** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:38 pm

97cats wrote:
Pop McKale wrote:
97cats wrote:
Pop McKale wrote:
97cats wrote:Miller intentionally missed on Bowen and Walker cause at that time he was already contacted by the FBI and knew the prob and watch was on, he wanted to try and show that Arizona doesn't pay for its players and subsequently backed off and let the other programs (Miami and Louisville) pay and land their guy.
Wow, this makes it sound like Miller let Book hang himself. Quinerly was well after Bowen and Walker.
jinx
Yup. Holy smokes.
and..........what did Quinerly get -- 15k

not the standard amount

the plot thickens...........................

How does the Little deal fall into all of this? Just a set up? Apologize if it's already been covered and thanks for all of the intel!

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:39 pm

My 5 year old is joining a b-ball team this year....what’s the going rate gonna look like in 2030?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:40 pm

LBdCactus wrote:
Good evening.

So wait... Are you saying the FBI told Miller they were investigating Book? Did I read something wrong? Because that definitely doesn't sound right. Why would they discuss an ongoing investigation with someone who at that point may even turn out to be an accomplice once the full investigation is over, especially considering that Book only comes into play this past spring. Doesn't seem like enough time to clear anyone associated with the Program.

Or maybe I'm just spinning all of this in my head too much.

Coach Miller was approached cause the FBI saw what Book was doing as an independent motive, remember Sean wasn't tagged in any of this yesterday, and they continued as the university and the program/kids as the victim, Miller and the high ups were made aware to assist in the matter.

LBdCactus · Post by **LBdCactus** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:40 pm

Longhorned, that would make sense, for the "who initiated contact" part. Still wouldn't explain why details of the case would be discussed with potential witness.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:41 pm

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:41 pm

LBdCactus wrote:Longhorned, that would make sense, for the "who initiated contact" part. Still wouldn't explain why details of the case would be discussed with potential witness.

They saw Miller and the school as the victim. Book was operating on his own.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:41 pm

97Cats....amazing stuff today... like always

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:42 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
LBdCactus wrote:Longhorned, that would make sense, for the "who initiated contact" part. Still wouldn't explain why details of the case would be discussed with potential witness.
They saw Miller and the school as the victim. Book was operating on his own.

and such Arizona, as coy as they could, AZ backed off Bowen and Walker and let Book meander with Quin as the trail was already laid.

LBdCactus · Post by **LBdCactus** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:43 pm

97cats wrote:
LBdCactus wrote:
Good evening.

So wait... Are you saying the FBI told Miller they were investigating Book? Did I read something wrong? Because that definitely doesn't sound right. Why would they discuss an ongoing investigation with someone who at that point may even turn out to be an accomplice once the full investigation is over, especially considering that Book only comes into play this past spring. Doesn't seem like enough time to clear anyone associated with the Program.

Or maybe I'm just spinning all of this in my head too much.
Coach Miller was approached cause the FBI saw what Book was doing as an independent motive, remember Sean wasn't tagged in any of this yesterday, and they continued as the university and the program/kids as the victim, Miller and the high ups were made aware to assist in the matter.

Understood. But dayummm... The tangential connections to everything Book was going would seem to at the very least make the Feds weary of letting anyone know anything. I admit I don't know how this stuff works, I'm not a lawyer or a cop.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:43 pm

Why was the FBI in Beaverton today?

Btw. Miami just announced the FBI is investigating them.

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:44 pm

97cats wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Could it be that book forgot to multiply by 10?
or that by that time Miller was already assisting the FEDS and the standard wasn't available -- also, Quin wasn't a 150k guy...book did this all on his own, and Miller let him.

Here is what I want to know: why did the Feds pick or allow Miller to be their guy? Had they heard the rumors that he was a witch and figured they better not try and cross him?

LBdCactus · Post by **LBdCactus** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:44 pm

Alieberman wrote:97Cats....amazing stuff today... like always

I concur!

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:44 pm

Yeah the "on-going bidding war" for Nassir Little and his preference for Arizona still scares and puzzles me.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:45 pm

LBdCactus wrote:

Understood. But dayummm... The tangential connections to everything Book was going would seem to at the very least make the Feds weary of letting anyone know anything. I admit I don't know how this stuff works, I'm not a lawyer or a cop.

from the FBI, this isn't a basketball or recruiting issue, this is a trafficking, money laundering, bribery across state lines issue for the benefit of the investment advisors, agents, and coaches involved -- the investigation from the FEDS is about exploiting the university, that is why.

the NCAA may have other ideas, however.

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:45 pm

97cats wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
LBdCactus wrote:Longhorned, that would make sense, for the "who initiated contact" part. Still wouldn't explain why details of the case would be discussed with potential witness.
They saw Miller and the school as the victim. Book was operating on his own.
and such Arizona, as coy as they could, AZ backed off Bowen and Walker and let Book meander with Quin as the trail was already laid.

Is it safe to assume Quinerly will re-open his recruitment like Little and Simons (Louisville decommit, #8 overall) ? Assuming he can even become eligible somehow

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:46 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Why was the FBI in Beaverton today?

Btw. Miami just announced the FBI is investigating them.

you know what they say about deer, my man -- where there is one there is usually another ......this is just the beginning.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:46 pm

prh wrote:
97cats wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
LBdCactus wrote:Longhorned, that would make sense, for the "who initiated contact" part. Still wouldn't explain why details of the case would be discussed with potential witness.
They saw Miller and the school as the victim. Book was operating on his own.
and such Arizona, as coy as they could, AZ backed off Bowen and Walker and let Book meander with Quin as the trail was already laid.
Is it safe to assume Quinerly will re-open his recruitment like Little and Simons (Louisville decommit, #8 overall) ?

my guess is Quin never plays college basketball, ever ...same with Walker and Bowen.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:46 pm

97cats wrote:
Pop McKale wrote:
97cats wrote:Miller intentionally missed on Bowen and Walker cause at that time he was already contacted by the FBI and knew the prob and watch was on, he wanted to try and show that Arizona doesn't pay for its players and subsequently backed off and let the other programs (Miami and Louisville) pay and land their guy.
Wow, this makes it sound like Miller let Book hang himself. Quinerly was well after Bowen and Walker.
jinx

So why would Miller do that exactly? Why devote that much time to recruiting Quinerly to let it all fail? Also I assume that Miller didn't know the whole info about Little would be made public otherwise he wouldn't have devoted as much time into him as well would that be correct?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:47 pm

I want blue blood blood.

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:47 pm

97cats wrote:should I crack a beer? start an "I'm in the mood..." thread

just like the good ol days!!!

97Cats with a throwback to the legendary Friday night beer threads. This takes me back, thank you 97cats for all the information and being one of the most generous and best Wildcat fans and posters since the GoAzCats days.

Favorite recruit we lost or finished 2nd for and why we got 2nd?

conny24 · Post by **conny24** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:48 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Yeah the "on-going bidding war" for Nassir Little and his preference for Arizona still scares and puzzles me.

Especially since the implication is that Miami was trying to match the $150k deal we had with Little

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:49 pm

Lando05 wrote:
97cats wrote:should I crack a beer? start an "I'm in the mood..." thread

just like the good ol days!!!
97Cats with a throwback to the legendary Friday night beer threads. This takes me back, thank you 97cats for all the information and being one of the most generous and best Wildcat fans and posters since the GoAzCats days.

Favorite recruit we lost or finished 2nd for and why we got 2nd?

Josh Jackson -- AZ cuts the nets if he plays at AZ

ProfessorFate · Post by **ProfessorFate** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:50 pm

So...what was behind TJ Leaf decommitting? Any intel there?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:50 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
UofAlum05 wrote:True/False: Coach K was a hold out in this whole Pay for Play with one and done/AAU players originally. But it was our beat down of them in 2011 that made him realize he needed to talent was more important than 4-year development guys. Now Duke is worse than anyone.
This seems so fucking true.

Totally true IMO

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:51 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
97cats wrote:
Pop McKale wrote:
97cats wrote:Miller intentionally missed on Bowen and Walker cause at that time he was already contacted by the FBI and knew the prob and watch was on, he wanted to try and show that Arizona doesn't pay for its players and subsequently backed off and let the other programs (Miami and Louisville) pay and land their guy.
Wow, this makes it sound like Miller let Book hang himself. Quinerly was well after Bowen and Walker.
jinx
So why would Miller do that exactly? Why devote that much time to recruiting Quinerly to let it all fail? Also I assume that Miller didn't know the whole info about Little would be made public otherwise he wouldn't have devoted as much time into him as well would that be correct?

Did Miller devote the time or did Book? A lot of what Book said in the FBI complaint reeks of him pushing hard to deliver for Miller.

We had Williams in the fold by then.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:51 pm

ProfessorFate wrote:So...what was behind TJ Leaf decommitting? Any intel there?

AAU team

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:51 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
97cats wrote:
Pop McKale wrote:
97cats wrote:Miller intentionally missed on Bowen and Walker cause at that time he was already contacted by the FBI and knew the prob and watch was on, he wanted to try and show that Arizona doesn't pay for its players and subsequently backed off and let the other programs (Miami and Louisville) pay and land their guy.
Wow, this makes it sound like Miller let Book hang himself. Quinerly was well after Bowen and Walker.
jinx
So why would Miller do that exactly? Why devote that much time to recruiting Quinerly to let it all fail? Also I assume that Miller didn't know the whole info about Little would be made public otherwise he wouldn't have devoted as much time into him as well would that be correct?
Did Miller devote the time or did Book? A lot of what Book said in the FBI complaint reeks of him pushing hard to deliver for Miller.

We had Williams in the fold by then.

Quin was Book

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:52 pm

ProfessorFate wrote:So...what was behind TJ Leaf decommitting? Any intel there?

Adidas made a large payment to the school that TJ's dad coached at along with Compton Magic.

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:52 pm

97cats wrote:
Lando05 wrote:
97cats wrote:should I crack a beer? start an "I'm in the mood..." thread

just like the good ol days!!!
97Cats with a throwback to the legendary Friday night beer threads. This takes me back, thank you 97cats for all the information and being one of the most generous and best Wildcat fans and posters since the GoAzCats days.

Favorite recruit we lost or finished 2nd for and why we got 2nd?
Josh Jackson -- AZ cuts the nets if he plays at AZ

Thank you as always. Would have been nice to have another national championship and final 4.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:52 pm

97cats wrote:
Lando05 wrote:
97cats wrote:should I crack a beer? start an "I'm in the mood..." thread

just like the good ol days!!!
97Cats with a throwback to the legendary Friday night beer threads. This takes me back, thank you 97cats for all the information and being one of the most generous and best Wildcat fans and posters since the GoAzCats days.

Favorite recruit we lost or finished 2nd for and why we got 2nd?
Josh Jackson -- AZ cuts the nets if he plays at AZ

Same. That was the one I really wanted.

Keanu Pinder played on our team instead of Josh Jackson. Yeah - he'd have made a difference.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:52 pm

Olsondogg wrote:I want blue blood blood.

patience, youre gonna get it

Hank of sb · Post by **Hank of sb** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:52 pm

97cats wrote:
LBdCactus wrote:
Good evening.

So wait... Are you saying the FBI told Miller they were investigating Book? Did I read something wrong? Because that definitely doesn't sound right. Why would they discuss an ongoing investigation with someone who at that point may even turn out to be an accomplice once the full investigation is over, especially considering that Book only comes into play this past spring. Doesn't seem like enough time to clear anyone associated with the Program.

Or maybe I'm just spinning all of this in my head too much.
Coach Miller was approached cause the FBI saw what Book was doing as an independent motive, remember Sean wasn't tagged in any of this yesterday, and they continued as the university and the program/kids as the victim, Miller and the high ups were made aware to assist in the matter.

Why then the reports that SM's house raid was unfriendly? I mean if they are on the same team? Also, I assume the university president is privy to everything you are reporting tonight. Right? If not, how could that be?

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:53 pm

Probe Into NCAA Basketball Relies on Unusual Legal Theories

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/probe- ... 1506553296" target="_blank

Gabe Feldman, a sports law professor at Tulane University Law School, said it was fair to question whether prosecutors were overreaching in trying “to turn what might be an NCAA violation into a criminal violation.”

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:53 pm

dmjcat wrote: Pot...........meet Kettle.

Whats REALLY STUPID is thinking that the NCAA needs to have physical possession of the FBI tapes in order to take action. The publicly available FBI documents are all they need.

But I expect no less from you Odogg.

Try harder next time.

FYI, those FBI documents, the complaint and the indictment or information that will follow, are merely allegations until there is a guilty plea or a conviction at trial. The complaint is essentially the government prosecutor, under oath, saying here are the crimes we are alleging so and so committed, on these dates, violating these statutes, and then a brief layout of the facts of the case, and we are requesting a trial. The actual evidence, the tangible proof, is found in the government's discovery (pages of evidence from surveillence, photos, phone records, witnesses, cooperators, etc). The NCAA most likely will not see that until after those trials are over, and some of it may still be redacted to protect others and other investigations. The NCAA will likely attempt to be at any trials and can hear some of the evidence being presented, but I'm not sure if scribbled notes from an NCAA attorney in the gallery meets their standards. It may.

Either way, cases like this arent settled quickly, and I can see it taking 1-2 years before even the first guy from this first batch of people pleads guilty. If there is a trial, add more time. I agree with the sentiments of several in here that this stuff is not going to be decided by the NCAA for several years.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:54 pm

97cats wrote:
Quin was Book

Little was certainly Miller though. I assume he was just collateral damage in all of this then?

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:54 pm

Hank of sb wrote:
97cats wrote:
LBdCactus wrote:
Good evening.

So wait... Are you saying the FBI told Miller they were investigating Book? Did I read something wrong? Because that definitely doesn't sound right. Why would they discuss an ongoing investigation with someone who at that point may even turn out to be an accomplice once the full investigation is over, especially considering that Book only comes into play this past spring. Doesn't seem like enough time to clear anyone associated with the Program.

Or maybe I'm just spinning all of this in my head too much.
Coach Miller was approached cause the FBI saw what Book was doing as an independent motive, remember Sean wasn't tagged in any of this yesterday, and they continued as the university and the program/kids as the victim, Miller and the high ups were made aware to assist in the matter.
Why then the reports that SM's house raid was unfriendly? I mean if they are on the same team? Also, I assume the university president is privy to everything you are reporting tonight. Right? If not, how could that be?

You act as if you know and then ask others for answers? Which is it? Millers done or you don't know what your talking about.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:54 pm

Hank of sb wrote:
97cats wrote:
LBdCactus wrote:
Good evening.

So wait... Are you saying the FBI told Miller they were investigating Book? Did I read something wrong? Because that definitely doesn't sound right. Why would they discuss an ongoing investigation with someone who at that point may even turn out to be an accomplice once the full investigation is over, especially considering that Book only comes into play this past spring. Doesn't seem like enough time to clear anyone associated with the Program.

Or maybe I'm just spinning all of this in my head too much.
Coach Miller was approached cause the FBI saw what Book was doing as an independent motive, remember Sean wasn't tagged in any of this yesterday, and they continued as the university and the program/kids as the victim, Miller and the high ups were made aware to assist in the matter.
Why then the reports that SM's house raid was unfriendly? I mean if they are on the same team? Also, I assume the university president is privy to everything you are reporting tonight. Right? If not, how could that be?

I know for a fact they showed up at 6am to have a meeting at Sean's house yesterday and were let in and served coffee -- if that's a raid so be it.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:54 pm

97cats wrote:
Lando05 wrote:
97cats wrote:should I crack a beer? start an "I'm in the mood..." thread

just like the good ol days!!!
97Cats with a throwback to the legendary Friday night beer threads. This takes me back, thank you 97cats for all the information and being one of the most generous and best Wildcat fans and posters since the GoAzCats days.

Favorite recruit we lost or finished 2nd for and why we got 2nd?
Josh Jackson -- AZ cuts the nets if he plays at AZ

Even with PJC at point?

(Sorry. Had to go there)

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:55 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
97cats wrote:
Quin was Book
Little was certainly Miller though. I assume he was just collateral damage in all of this then?

still gotta eat, right

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:55 pm

97cats wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
97cats wrote:
Quin was Book
Little was certainly Miller though. I assume he was just collateral damage in all of this then?
still gotta eat, right????

LBdCactus · Post by **LBdCactus** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:56 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Yeah the "on-going bidding war" for Nassir Little and his preference for Arizona still scares and puzzles me.

Well, look at it this way. IF the Feds had any proof that Arizona was really offering that then it makes the CSM cooperation angle harder to swallow.

But maybe that was just thrown out there by someone looking to get more money from adidas, know what I mean? There is always the chance that it is a negotiating ploy. Or not. But if the Feds don't have proof, it may as well not exist.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:56 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
UofAlum05 wrote:True/False: Coach K was a hold out in this whole Pay for Play with one and done/AAU players originally. But it was our beat down of them in 2011 that made him realize he needed to talent was more important than 4-year development guys. Now Duke is worse than anyone.
This seems so fucking true.
Totally true IMO

Duke is cyclical. They had a few subpar years in the mid 90's. Then K loosens it up and Maggette, Brand, Bsttier, Williams, Boozer, Duhon and that load of talent comes through. Late 00's, the subpar years return. K loosens it up and Parker, Okafor, Winslow, Ingram, Giles, etc. come through.

Coincidence?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:57 pm

This thread is moving faster than any game thread ever did.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:57 pm

Here is one thing that maybe you can clear up for me 97 as the Manhattan Beach gossip train doesn't meet as regularly as we used too.

I was under the impression that Adidas paid/sponsored AAU programs who in turn steered players to Adidas sponsored schools. So why did the leader of the Compton Magic have such access to the Arizona program for so long and in turn it was Gabe York's PT, not Nike...that turned them off to Arizona so much? And why did they still get in bed with Grace/UCLA even after York was given the starting spot over Rondae?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:58 pm

K has such insulation from his dirt cause he’s a legend....the John wooden of today. Clean as a whistle while being dirty as hell.

JW_in_Boston · Post by **JW_in_Boston** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:59 pm

gumby wrote:
This sore just keeps oozing.

Rey?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:59 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
UofAlum05 wrote:True/False: Coach K was a hold out in this whole Pay for Play with one and done/AAU players originally. But it was our beat down of them in 2011 that made him realize he needed to talent was more important than 4-year development guys. Now Duke is worse than anyone.
This seems so fucking true.
Totally true IMO
Duke is cyclical. They had a few subpar years in the mid 90's. Then K loosens it up and Maggette, Brand, Bsttier, Williams, Boozer, Duhon and that load of talent comes through. Late 00's, the subpar years return. K loosens it up and Parker, Okafor, Winslow, Ingram, Giles, etc. come through.

Coincidence?

I think not

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:00 pm

97cats wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
97cats wrote:
Pop McKale wrote:
Wow, this makes it sound like Miller let Book hang himself. Quinerly was well after Bowen and Walker.
jinx
So why would Miller do that exactly? Why devote that much time to recruiting Quinerly to let it all fail? Also I assume that Miller didn't know the whole info about Little would be made public otherwise he wouldn't have devoted as much time into him as well would that be correct?
Did Miller devote the time or did Book? A lot of what Book said in the FBI complaint reeks of him pushing hard to deliver for Miller.

We had Williams in the fold by then.
Quin was Book

I don't know you, but I think I may love you for this stuff.

That does line up with the idea that Book was the one working the Adidas angle solo while the rest of the staff was concentrated on Nike and its pipeline.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:01 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
97cats wrote:
Lando05 wrote:
97cats wrote:should I crack a beer? start an "I'm in the mood..." thread

just like the good ol days!!!
97Cats with a throwback to the legendary Friday night beer threads. This takes me back, thank you 97cats for all the information and being one of the most generous and best Wildcat fans and posters since the GoAzCats days.

Favorite recruit we lost or finished 2nd for and why we got 2nd?
Josh Jackson -- AZ cuts the nets if he plays at AZ

Even with PJC at point?

(Sorry. Had to go there)

this is so flippin awesome

if Jackson is on the team, Cartwright barely plays -- sorry had to go there

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:01 pm

Was ASU bribing kids with cans of food?

Please tell me they were paying for that crap!

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