North Carolina

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:40 pm

I can't believe there isn't a thread on this but couldn't find one so here it goes.

Latest news in the clusterfu#k investigation going on with the NCAA and the obviously guilty UNC Sports program: http://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor ... demic-case

Am I the only one thinking that if this was almost any other program, the NCAA would have already instituted HARSH penalties? What the heck is taking so long here? Seems like every time they get close to nailing these guys, they slip out of the noose so to speak. Smh......

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:55 pm

Doesn't surprise me one bit.

Its the "Carolina Way".

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:38 pm

Has anything been done on the UNC infractions yet?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:01 pm

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:Has anything been done on the UNC infractions yet?

Ha!!!

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:47 pm

With that loss, UNC is a total lock for overall #1.

like I said, talented, but a head case of a team.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:28 pm

Anyone watching this U of Maryland president/Roy Williams feud? Pretty funny!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc- ... -comments/" target="_blank

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:58 pm

84Cat wrote:Anyone watching this U of Maryland president/Roy Williams feud? Pretty funny!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc- ... -comments/" target="_blank

Yep, it's refreshing to hear that guy say what a lot of us are feeling as UNC seems to be getting away with murder here.....the NCAA is so incompetent IMO.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:20 pm

What was our punishment for what seemed like an incredibly minor infraction (Lute adding his name to some booster letter for a camp?)? I can't recall the exact facts but I was shocked at the punishment we got for what seemed to be so minor....smh on UNC bending the NCAA over like a punk.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:24 pm

We lost a scholarship for a year or two and we're on probation for a year or two I think

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:29 am

ASUHATER! wrote:We lost a scholarship for a year or two and we're on probation for a year or two I think

Still more than UNC has received.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:29 am

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:What was our punishment for what seemed like an incredibly minor infraction (Lute adding his name to some booster letter for a camp?)? I can't recall the exact facts but I was shocked at the punishment we got for what seemed to be so minor....smh on UNC bending the NCAA over like a punk.

Jim Storey's camp.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:56 am

Still amazed that Duke skated free on the Corey Magette garbage. And how do you compare the scandal at Louisville with other infractions ? Yet Arizona held a summer tournament and served pizza. Oooooooh.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:17 am

zonagrad wrote:Still amazed that Duke skated free on the Corey Magette garbage. And how do you compare the scandal at Louisville with other infractions ? Yet Arizona held a summer tournament and served pizza. Oooooooh.

You're surprised a foul (situation) of Duke's wasn't penalized?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:39 pm

http://www.scout.com/college/north-caro ... e-timeline" target="_blank

NCAA Sets Tentative Timeline in UNC Case

Greg Barnes
Friday at 7:22 PM
UNC's response to its second amended notice of allegations is due on May 16.

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. – The Committee on Infractions is tentatively scheduled to hear the University of North Carolina’s case involving academic irregularities in the previously named African and Afro-American Studies department in August, according to an April 14 letter from NCAA COI chair Greg Sankey that was obtained by Inside Carolina on Friday.

Sankey detailed a timeline that included anticipated COI hearing dates of August 16-17 in the correspondence delivered to the investigation’s involved parties last week. The letter indicated UNC initially requested a 30-day extension request to its response to the second amended notice of allegations and that all involved parties’ had a deadline of May 16, 2017, to deliver their responses.

The enforcement staff’s procedural documents will be due two months later on July 17, thereby allowing the COI hearing to take place in mid-August.
“There will be no further delays, and the case will be heard on schedule,” Sankey wrote.
The Associated Press first reported the contents of the letter on Friday.

Sankey refused a call for his recusal from the case on the basis of a conflict of interest by Elliot Abrams, a Raleigh-based attorney whose client is former AFAM administrator Deborah Crowder. Sankey stated that his conference affiliation as SEC commissioner “does not create a direct conflict or the appearance of partiality” while citing misstatements of fact in dismissing Abrams’ previous conflict of interest charges.

Sankey indicated one such inaccuracy was that the COI panel directed the enforcement staff to change allegations. In a Nov. 28, 2016 letter to the involved parties, the panel indicated that the second notice of allegations may not have been framed appropriately and therefore requested “that the enforcement staff review whether the potential violations in this case are alleged in a fashion to best decide this case.”

Sankey also dismissed a charge that he previously participated in the SEC’s investigation of Auburn University’s independent study class scandal during his time as the conference’s associate commissioner. The NCAA determined that Auburn did not commit academic fraud in 2005-06 when a professor taught student-athletes in large numbers of independent study courses that required minimal, if any, time in the classroom.

“The panel, including me, will hear and decide the case based on the case record and the membership’s bylaws,” Sankey wrote.
UNC’s defense is largely built on multiple examples of the NCAA failing to adhere to its membership’s bylaws, as detailed here (1) and here (2).

1: http://www.scout.com/college/north-caro ... ol-problem" target="_blank
2: http://www.scout.com/college/north-caro ... tervention" target="_blank

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Fri May 26, 2017 7:26 pm

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor ... -ncaa-case

Good grief, UNC is literally bending the NCAA over and doing them raw without any lube.....and the NCAA seems to be enjoying it! Seriously though, its incredulous that they seem to be getting away unscathed with the biggest scandal in NCAA History.

Am I wrong here?

PS Edit: Larry Scott's next job? NCAA President? Smh

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri May 26, 2017 7:58 pm

This UNC scandal has been going on for like 7+ years and not a dang thing has come of it.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Fri May 26, 2017 8:10 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:This UNC scandal has been going on for like 7+ years and not a dang thing has come of it.

First, 'dang' you speak Carolina very well

Second, it's surreal.....Maybe this has been done already but I haven't seen it or can't recall....Would love for a big name Sports Commentator to do a satire on this and a 'What if your name wasn't UNC....' and what the NCAA would have done already.

I'd bet money that 98-99% of the other programs would have gotten the death penalty or slightly lesser punishment by now. Or maybe the delay is just due to heavy lawyering by UNC?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue May 30, 2017 11:58 am

I'd assume the national championship made it a bad time. You don't want to find anything (bad or good) in the wake of winning one. Bad finding: talk about vacating it. Good finding: accusations the NCAA covered up.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue May 30, 2017 12:09 pm

I thought the women's bball team took the fall for every other sport at the school?

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed May 31, 2017 9:30 am

Sigh... And the Louisville situation has seemingly vanished as well.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Wed May 31, 2017 6:08 pm

rgdeuce wrote:Sigh... And the Louisville situation has seemingly vanished as well.

Basically everything is going to vanish. The NCAA is toast as an institution.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed May 31, 2017 8:09 pm

rgdeuce wrote:Sigh... And the Louisville situation has seemingly vanished as well.

I know, that is incredulous. NCAA is rapidly becoming a joke. Why is it that they are so inequitable in rule enforcement? Is it because they are atypical of bureaucratic incompetence?

I honestly don't know much about how they operate but from the highly publicized and controversial issues, they seem to come off as grossly incompetent. Louisville is a prime example....UNC 'owning' them so far in their scandal is yet another. Smh.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:20 am

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Sigh... And the Louisville situation has seemingly vanished as well.
I know, that is incredulous. NCAA is rapidly becoming a joke. Why is it that they are so inequitable in rule enforcement? Is it because they are atypical of bureaucratic incompetence?

I honestly don't know much about how they operate but from the highly publicized and controversial issues, they seem to come off as grossly incompetent. Louisville is a prime example....UNC 'owning' them so far in their scandal is yet another. Smh.

Becoming a joke?

The NCAA has had the issue of selective enforcement since its inception. Look at the treatment of UCLA and Sam Gilbert or the extra benefits at Kentucky under Rupp. The modern incarnation is hammering USC because Mike Garrett was disrespectful towards the NCAA, then rolling on other situations. Add in the Miami disaster, sweeping Louisville and UNC under the rug, and this is all just part of the NCAA's tradition.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:10 am

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:20 am

They get a slap on wrist IMO.

Despite making a mockery of class at the oldest public university in the US.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:06 am

CalStateTempe wrote:They get a slap on wrist IMO.

Despite making a mockery of class at the oldest public university in the US.

If all they get is a slap on the wrist, the NCAA is effectively saying that the purpose of a university is to facilitate (by any means available) college athletics, not to provide an education.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:18 am

CalStateTempe wrote:They get a slap on wrist IMO.

Despite making a mockery of class at the oldest public university in the US.

They should give Floyd Mayweather an honorary doctorate.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:55 pm

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/coll ... 05461.html" target="_blank

Of course.

NCAA report release delayed due to UNC petition not to interfere with multi billion dollar fundraising campaign this weekend.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:55 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/coll ... 05461.html

Of course.

NCAA report release delayed due to UNC petition not to interfere with multi billion dollar fundraising campaign this weekend.

It's comical the punishment Arizona received compared to the level of allegations with UNC. No matter how soft the slap in the wrist, Roy Williams and UNC will whine about the "punishment."

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:49 am

"On the evening of December Rosa Parks decided that she was going to sit in the white people section on the bus in Montgomery, Alabama. During this time blacks had to give up there seats to whites when more whites got on the bus. Rosa parks refused to give up her seat. Her and the bus driver began to talk and the conversation went like this. "Let me have those front seats" said the driver. She didn't get up and told the driver that she was tired of giving her seat to white people. "I'm going to have you arrested," said the driver. "You may do that," Rosa Parks responded. Two white policemen came in and Rosa Parks asked them "why do you all push us around?" The police officer replied and said "I don't know, but the law is the law and you're under arrest."

A- work at UNC, baby. Of course, the real issue is whether that player got money from people who were willing to pay him.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:51 am

The ruling on this will supposedly be released tomorrow.

Boise State should put it's campus on lock down right now!

So will this ruling be:

1. A joke
2. A ridiculous joke
3. Such a joke it"s 100% clear the NCAA no longer exists as a functioning institution

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:57 am

My guess is #2

As punishment for unc's misdeeds, Boise st is likely looking at a loss of scholarship and a post season ban for one year. Lol.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:02 am

CalStateTempe wrote:My guess is #2

As punishment for unc's misdeeds, Boise st is likely looking at a loss of scholarship and a post season ban for one year. Lol.

That in depth analysis the NCAA did against Boise St (imputing the value of sleeping on a couch during a recruiting trip as an improper benefit) still blows me away.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:07 am

SCCats wrote:The ruling on this will supposedly be released tomorrow.

Boise State should put it's campus on lock down right now!

So will this ruling be:

1. A joke
2. A ridiculous joke
3. Such a joke it"s 100% clear the NCAA no longer exists as a functioning institution

4. Dumped on Friday at such a time that it will be buried in the weekend news cycle.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:21 am

Never heard that but thanks for the tip off.

So sleeping on a couch is an improper benefit but passing fake classes is a ok.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:28 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Never heard that but thanks for the tip off.

So sleeping on a couch is an improper benefit but passing fake classes is a ok.

It makes no sense. In other words, it is a classic NCAA action.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:19 am

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:28 am

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:47 am

Of course.

Fuck UNC.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:47 am

So in answer to SCC's post, #3

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:56 am

NCAA affirms its self-constituted irrelevance to anything that actually matters in college athletics.

Next up: Punitive measures to affirm its role in building myths at the expense of student athletes.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:29 am

I like how their statement concludes that identifying fraud solely rests with the institution and in this case the institution didn't not find any.

joke of an institution, both of them.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:34 am

CalStateTempe wrote:So in answer to SCC's post, #3

That's only because sanctioning Boise State women's tennis again wasn't an option.

As I posted above, actions that make no sense are pretty much the NCAA standard.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:42 am

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:47 am

Can't take credit for this post but it sums it up well
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Pretty simple blueprint to make sure athletes don't need to know how to read to be able to play. Fake no-show classes that don't require work don't violate NCAA rules as long as you offer them to all students.

We knew sports were the most important thing at these schools, but it's still always kind of surprising how much even academically "prestigious" schools like UNC are totally cool with whoring out the academics and devaluing that side of things for everyone in the name of sports.

Edit: And it's kind of sad they picked the African-American studies department to be the centerpiece of these fake academic programs. What a great message for the students. They present it as a real department with real professors and a real curriculum. But the athletic department and, I guess, the academic leaders at the university and in that department, collaborate to make sure it's true purpose is to ultimately assist in exploiting young people (many of whom happen to be African-American) for their athletic talent so they can make big bucks, and all they have to give up in exchange is no-show degrees, and of course, the academic integrity of the school. Imagine a sincere student studying African-American studies in that department having his degree tainted by all this.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:59 am

Man bug, great post. That make me really really angry and sad.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:08 am

Here's a serious take.

The glaring flaw in NCAA logic is that fake classes may be open to all, but they only benefit athletes trying to retain eligibility by any means necessary. A student attempting to develop an actual academic skill set has no use for a sham class that does nothing to educate. The university itself derives no benefit from a bs class.

Just because it wasn't limited to only athletes doesn't change the fact that the only reason for its existence was athletes. There is no additional benefit to the institution or a student interested in anything other than gpa inflation.

For people who were concerned about college sports becoming separate from the university, like a G League team on campus, this is worse. I'd rather have a loose association of kids who get paid as opposed to a system that eviscerates its own educational message to comply with the false idol of amateur student athleticism.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:15 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Here's a serious take.

The glaring flaw in NCAA logic is that fake classes may be open to all, but they only benefit athletes trying to retain eligibility by any means necessary. A student attempting to develop an actual academic skill set has no use for a sham class that does nothing to educate. The university itself derives no benefit from a bs class.

Just because it wasn't limited to only athletes doesn't change the fact that the only reason for its existence was athletes. There is no additional benefit to the institution or a student interested in anything other than gpa inflation.

For people who were concerned about college sports becoming separate from the university, like a G League team on campus, this is worse. I'd rather have a loose association of kids who get paid as opposed to a system that eviscerates its own educational message to comply with the false idol of amateur student athleticism.

1000% agree.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:48 am

I'd like to see class rosters to truly gauge if it was "open for all".

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:56 am

MrBug708 wrote:I'd like to see class rosters to truly gauge if it was "open for all".

Maybe the class was just so good that the buzz was all around the UNC athletic academic advisors office and players just couldn't resist the hype? Maybe class size was flexible due to the high degree of independent study required? Maybe it was easier to accomodate large numbers of students due to the only graded work being a single paragraph book report?

Lots of options here.

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