2017-2018 Arizona Basketball

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:41 am

rgdeuce wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Ristic is going to start at the 5 all year but I think we are better with Ayton there. I can see Ayton playing more and more at the 5 in crunch time with Ristic being on the bench.
I think Miller has used Ristic well in the first two games. 20 minutes last night. Not mad at that at all.

Right, but truthfully, that will probably be the norm, if not less, against a lot of teams that Arizona plays. He is just too damn limited defensively, and it isn't like he is a terrific rebounder to offset any of those liabilities.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:47 am

Ristic will get pulled as soon as the other teams start catching up like happened v. UMBC. His defense is really lacking. Just can't move his feet that fast and has no spring.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:54 am

Dusan will always be situational. There are some games that set up well for him and some that don't. I doubt that ever changes a whole lot. I can't think of a guy in recent Arizona memory that was more of a "you know what you're gonna get" player. With Dusan you get:

--Good post scoring option.
--Good shooter, slow release.
--Good finisher around the rim.
--Tries on D but has problems if teams force him to move his feet.
--Average rebounder.
--Less than stellar post passer.

That is Dusan 365 days a year, 366 on leap years. For matchups that play to his strengths, he is good. He is a very steady option, but there are certain opponents he has a tough time against where we will need Lee.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:06 am

Ristic's go to defensive move is standing still with his arm's straight in the air. I call it the tree defense.

It's not terribly effective.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:07 am

Alieberman wrote:Ristic's go to defensive move is standing still with his arm's straight in the air. It's not terribly effective.

sounds like how i played basketball in 7th grade when i was unathletic but the biggest kid in the class.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:21 am

Alieberman wrote:Ristic's go to defensive move is standing still with his arm's straight in the air. I call it the tree defense.

It's not terribly effective.

Actually, positioning himself well and going vertical is about the ideal for Dusan. He won't suddenly develop Rondae level lateral movement, so being in position and being straight up is his most effective tactic. It's being in the right position that is his big challenge so far.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:29 am

Dusan's limitations are what they are. But...because of the freshman beast that is Ayton, we aren't as reliant on Dusan for points as in previous seasons, nor as vulnerable in the middle defensively. Ayton will effectively negate Dusan's shortcomings.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:31 am

rgdeuce wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Ristic is going to start at the 5 all year but I think we are better with Ayton there. I can see Ayton playing more and more at the 5 in crunch time with Ristic being on the bench.
I think Miller has used Ristic well in the first two games. 20 minutes last night. Not mad at that at all.

Ristic with 22min/g matching his 22min/g from last season. Opened last season with the same minute load. Nice.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:25 pm

Miller is also making Ristic finish these blowouts. Got a rebound against NAU with 46 seconds left and a rebound against UMBC with 36 seconds left. Strange to see a starter out there with 4 "scrubs"

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:11 pm

Lol the first Battle for Atlantis game will be on ESPN 3. More homes than the pac network but terrible. Won't bother me since I am actually going but it's terrible anyways

EDIT to show why its lol worthy

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:28 am

Gilbertcat wrote:Lol the first Battle for Atlantis game will be on ESPN. More homes than the pac network but terrible. Won't bother me since I am actually going but it's terrible anyways

It is going to be on ESPN3, isn't it?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:32 am

Statfreak77 wrote:
Gilbertcat wrote:Lol the first Battle for Atlantis game will be on ESPN. More homes than the pac network but terrible. Won't bother me since I am actually going but it's terrible anyways
It is going to be on ESPN3, isn't it?

That's what my app says. But win Wednesday and the rest of the games will be on ESPN or espn2

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:35 am

PHXCATS wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
Gilbertcat wrote:Lol the first Battle for Atlantis game will be on ESPN. More homes than the pac network but terrible. Won't bother me since I am actually going but it's terrible anyways
It is going to be on ESPN3, isn't it?
That's what my app says. But win Wednesday and the rest of the games will be on ESPN or espn2

Right.

Did you see that the title game for this event is listed to start at 12 PM eastern time on Friday!? Which would mean it would be played in the damn morning for us Midwest & Western folks? Like, wtf!?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:58 am

It is weird but with a ton of tournaments that day and only so many tv windows you have to move some title games to earlier times to maximize exposure. Sucks but it is business

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:12 am

Apologies, I didnt put the 3! My post isnt as lol worthy without it. Yes on ESPN3....booooooo. This is the #3 team (#1 in our hearts) team in the nation!!!!!

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:20 am

Gilbertcat wrote:Apologies, I didnt put the 3! My post isnt as lol worthy without it. Yes on ESPN3....booooooo. This is the #3 team (#1 in our hearts) team in the nation!!!!!

Doesn't get the #3 ratings though on tv

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:36 am

Statfreak77 wrote:Did you see that the title game for this event is listed to start at 12 PM eastern time on Friday!? Which would mean it would be played in the damn morning for us Midwest & Western folks? Like, wtf!?

JFC - 9am tip off for the West Coast. Leftover wine and turkey in the morning I guess.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:15 pm

Purdue and Tennessee get ESPN 2 Wednesday at noon

ESPN2 has MAUI on instead of us at 5PM

Game 1 Wed at 5PM Tucson time Watch ESPN, if we win we play Game 2 Thurs at 1PM Tucson time ESPN, we win again Championship Game at 10A.

2016 TV Schedule: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2677 ... et-tv-info" target="_blank

Louisville & Mich St weren't on TV either. Championship game was on a 1:30 Tucson time though

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:36 pm

Jefe wrote:Purdue and Tennessee get ESPN 2 Wednesday at noon ESPN2 has MAUI on instead of us at 5PM

Game 1 Wed at 5PM Tucson time Watch ESPN, if we win we play Game 2 Thurs at 1PM Tucson time ESPN, we win again Championship Game at 10A.

2016 TV Schedule: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2677 ... et-tv-info" target="_blank

Louisville & Mich St weren't on TV either. Championship game was on a 1:30 Tucson time though

You only have so many windows and channels. Thanksgiving is the perfect time with school and viewers for these preseason tournaments but if you could move a few around it would eliminate this mess.

But with the NBA going on ESPN you can only play one tournament on ESPN2 and something on ESPNU and the espn family made a business decision. Cant fault them. Maui will have the final games going at that time so ESPN2 make sense for them. And they must have some stupid contract issue that they must broadcast Women's Volleyball on ESPNU during that time.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:43 pm

Do the bars/restaurants carry espn 3?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:45 pm

This is some serious horseshit and not something Duke UNC or U.K. Or Kansas would stand for. Neither should the number 3 team in the nation with a huge following.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:47 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Do the bars/restaurants carry espn 3?

Most likely not. It might be a smart TV app but they need a streaming HDMI dongle(Apple TV, Roku, Chromecast, Firestick, Xbox, PS). Im bringing mine with me just in case

Everyone's buying me drinks

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:53 pm

Wait....so Arizona vs NC State which is a decent opponent and possible tourney team is relegated to the internet?!?

Won't be shown in Tucson next week?

And some here are ok with that? Lol lol lol

Wow.

It's almost like I want to cancel my trip down, as the main reason was he hang with my buddies and watch a game out. Would rather just catch up with folks in phx then.

Horseshit.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:54 pm

Lol...where are you going Jefe!!

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:55 pm

You think Larry scott would stnsd for this if his larceny brand was relegated to the internet for this type of game?

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:56 pm

Yeah you need a separate device from cable/dish. I have a roku with watch espn and sling so I will have no problem at home. I live by Old Chicago so stop by cst!

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:04 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:This is some serious horseshit and not something Duke UNC or U.K. Or Kansas would stand for. Neither should the number 3 team in the nation with a huge following.

Michigan State last year was on worse streaming platform and no tv.

Not everything that goes against U of A is personal. It is business and if playing U of A vs NC State was the best for business for ESPN over Villanova and WKU at 12:30 local time 11:30am Pacific time it would.

U of A does not pull the ratings Duke UNC Kentucky or Kansas does.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:10 pm

Get out of here with that noise.

Go carry your corporate tv water elsewhere.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:10 pm

Won't even show it in Tucson but raaaaaatings!!!

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:14 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Won't even show it in Tucson but raaaaaatings!!!

Gotta do what's best for business to stay in business. I don't like it but it is the truth for tv and any business

I am sure lots of bars will have it one way or another with smart tv's and Apple tv's and all that

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:29 pm

Ya Im gonna ask around this weekend and find out who can stream it. They won't realize its not on TV until the day of

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:41 pm

Wow are the games literally played on a ballroom w low ceilings lol

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:44 pm

Jefe, seriously, let me know what you find out. Much appreciated!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:46 pm

NYCat wrote:Wow are the games literally played on a ballroom w low ceilings lol

You've never seen Battle 4 Atlantis before? I don't know how people get full court shots at the end of the half off without hitting the ceiling.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:48 pm

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:54 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:This is some serious horseshit and not something Duke UNC or U.K. Or Kansas would stand for. Neither should the number 3 team in the nation with a huge following.
Michigan State last year was on worse streaming platform and no tv.

Not everything that goes against U of A is personal. It is business and if playing U of A vs NC State was the best for business for ESPN over Villanova and WKU at 12:30 local time 11:30am Pacific time it would.

U of A does not pull the ratings Duke UNC Kentucky or Kansas does.

Yeah Arizona obviously pulls less than Nova/WKU though.... Btw your Duke, UNC, UK, KU point doesn't make sense considering none of those schools will be in Atlantis. You knew that though right?

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:00 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Wait....so Arizona vs NC State which is a decent opponent and possible tourney team is relegated to the internet?!?

Won't be shown in Tucson next week?

And some here are ok with that? Lol lol lol

Wow.

It's almost like I want to cancel my trip down, as the main reason was he hang with my buddies and watch a game out. Would rather just catch up with folks in phx then.

Horseshit.

Folks in Phoenix apparently don't care about whether we're on tv or not. Bad fans!

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:05 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:This is some serious horseshit and not something Duke UNC or U.K. Or Kansas would stand for. Neither should the number 3 team in the nation with a huge following.
Michigan State last year was on worse streaming platform and no tv.

Not everything that goes against U of A is personal. It is business and if playing U of A vs NC State was the best for business for ESPN over Villanova and WKU at 12:30 local time 11:30am Pacific time it would.

U of A does not pull the ratings Duke UNC Kentucky or Kansas does.
Yeah Arizona obviously pulls less than Nova/WKU though.... Btw your Duke, UNC, UK, KU point doesn't make sense considering none of those schools will be in Atlantis. You knew that though right?

Of course I did, those programs pull bigger ratings though, thats the point.

Upon further review, Duke's first round game in 2012 Battle 4 Atlantis was streaming only, Kansas' first round game in 2013 Battle 4 Atlantis was streaming only, UNC's first round game was moved to the earlier slot to be on ESPN2 in 2014 Battle 4 Atlantis and Michigan State's first round game in 2016 Battle for Atlantis was streamed only.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:06 pm

prh wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Wait....so Arizona vs NC State which is a decent opponent and possible tourney team is relegated to the internet?!?

Won't be shown in Tucson next week?

And some here are ok with that? Lol lol lol

Wow.

It's almost like I want to cancel my trip down, as the main reason was he hang with my buddies and watch a game out. Would rather just catch up with folks in phx then.

Horseshit.
Folks in Phoenix apparently don't care about whether we're on tv or not. Bad fans!

I will be watching.

The difference is that I am not freaking about about something that I have no control over and crying foul when there is no foul. I would love for it to be on TV but get the reasons behind why it is not. There is no bias or personal feelings or any slight against U of A as to why this is a ESPN3 game and not a ESPN2 game at 10AM or 12:30PM. I think a 5pm on ESPN3 might actually be better overall.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:29 pm

No. 8pm set captures nc state and east coast time and 5pm captures west coast cats fans.

No way nova, WKU out draw Arizona nc state all things being equal.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:37 pm

The 5pm AZ time window isn't available due to contracts the NBA and Maui. Have to understand that.

Nova at 230 local time out rates UA 10am local time.

Are we thinking John Skipper is out to get us? Were they out to get MSU last year?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:37 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
prh wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Wait....so Arizona vs NC State which is a decent opponent and possible tourney team is relegated to the internet?!?

Won't be shown in Tucson next week?

And some here are ok with that? Lol lol lol

Wow.

It's almost like I want to cancel my trip down, as the main reason was he hang with my buddies and watch a game out. Would rather just catch up with folks in phx then.

Horseshit.
Folks in Phoenix apparently don't care about whether we're on tv or not. Bad fans!
I will be watching.

The difference is that I am not freaking about about something that I have no control over and crying foul when there is no foul. I would love for it to be on TV but get the reasons behind why it is not. There is no bias or personal feelings or any slight against U of A as to why this is a ESPN3 game and not a ESPN2 game at 10AM or 12:30PM. I think a 5pm on ESPN3 might actually be better overall.

It's a foul in the sense that ESPN has 272926 different networks it could put the game on. If this were on ESPN NEWS or ESPN Classic that'd make a lot more sense than online streaming only.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:38 pm

PHXCATS wrote:The 5pm AZ time window isn't available due to contracts the NBA and Maui. Have to understand that.

Nova at 230 local time out rates UA 10am local time.

Are we thinking John Skipper is out to get us? Were they out to get MSU last year?

I think John Skipper is the most inept CEO of any major business that I've seen is what I think. The endless amounts of espn employees getting shitcanned every 6 months or so can attest to that.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:44 pm

Regardless let's just say it sucks it isn't on normal tv at this point. I bet some bars will steam it for you. Enjoy AS next week

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:46 pm

I can't believe someone is arguing that being on watchESPN at 5 is better than being on ESPN2 during the day. Pure insanity

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:52 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:The 5pm AZ time window isn't available due to contracts the NBA and Maui. Have to understand that.

Nova at 230 local time out rates UA 10am local time.

Are we thinking John Skipper is out to get us? Were they out to get MSU last year?
I think John Skipper is the most inept CEO of any major business that I've seen is what I think. The endless amounts of espn employees getting shitcanned every 6 months or so can attest to that.

Wait, you mean building a $125 million sports center studio wasn't smart

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:56 pm

prh wrote:I can't believe someone is arguing that being on watchESPN at 5 is better than being on ESPN2 during the day. Pure insanity

I did say might be.

If the game is at 10am most would have to stream at work. Now you stream in prime time

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:19 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
prh wrote:I can't believe someone is arguing that being on watchESPN at 5 is better than being on ESPN2 during the day. Pure insanity
I did say might be.

If the game is at 10am most would have to stream at work. Now you stream in prime time

Streaming is going to limit the audience to Arizona fans only (and the more committed ones at that). Plus, have fun streaming on the way home from work.

Being on national TV will add an entire audience of people that aren't committed fans, which could be 100s of thousands of college kids looking for the good game on TV, people who stay at home during the day, etc. Streaming the game at work isn't really that much of a detriment compared to streaming elsewhere either. I bet more people watch ESPN's regular daytime programming than would stream this game actually.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:27 am

Prh. Nail meet head. Great post.

I'm just going to be straight about this: I will get emotional about this. This is MY team. A team that is #3 in the nation, a very real shot at wining the whole thing this year, and a member of a handful of teams (8-10) that have sustained history of being competitive at a high level for many many years.

I'm not a graduate of Chico st, a directional Michigan school, or wazzu. If i was I could accept being relegated to 3 or 4 tier viewing status. But I'm not and I won't.

It's a bloody shame the top 3 team in this nation with heaps of NBA talent after this season agaisnt a viable decent opponent can't get top, hell even second tier, billing for next weeks game IMNSHO.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:42 am

It sucks it isn't on tv but it is what it is.

BTFD and beat the crap out of NCSU so we can enjoy the semi final on tv after the Turkey Bowls while peeling potatoes

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