rgdeuce wrote:Why Pinder over Akot?
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rgdeuce wrote:Why Pinder over Akot?
I think you're being sarcastic, but that would be an utter failure of a season with the talent we have. SM must break through this year because our chances of a FF decrease dramatically in 2018-2019. I will lead the Fire SM parade if he doesn't get it done in March. No one cares about regular season wins if the E8 is our ceiling. Give me a coach who can do more with less. I miss Lute.PieceOfMeat wrote:It'll be good enough to win a bunch of games this year and reach the elite 8.
Couple things: harder to rebound in a zone defense and this team hasnt proven they can do that at the expected level yet. Also, instill a new defense to "hide" a player defensively when the team has plenty of guys who can put the ball in the hoop, said player is at best your third scoring option, and you have a top 10 player who can play the same position?Beachcat97 wrote:This has probably been discussed ad nauseum in other threads, but we could help ourselves by adding a zone defense. Maybe that’s how you get Ristic and Ayton on the floor together.
Other than seeing his limited minutes last night and hearing the rumors about it being his effort in practice, I thought Akot has been good in this regard. Also a better defender, shooter and most importantly passer. That said, I see the Pinder argument and I wouldnt kick and scream if Miller tried that.Merkin wrote:rgdeuce wrote:Why Pinder over Akot?
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Nothing like some pine time to change your attitude. Hoping for big things out of Akot.rgdeuce wrote:Other than seeing his limited minutes last night and hearing the rumors about it being his effort in practice, I thought Akot has been good in this regard. Also a better defender, shooter and most importantly passer. That said, I see the Pinder argument and I wouldnt kick and scream if Miller tried that.Merkin wrote:rgdeuce wrote:Why Pinder over Akot?
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There isn't a zone that is really good for playing Ayton and Ristic together. 2-3 and 1-3-1 both demand one covers the perimeter and runs. You don't want Dusan doing that, so you play Ayton on the perimeter, which stations your best rim protector away from the rim.rgdeuce wrote:Couple things: harder to rebound in a zone defense and this team hasnt proven they can do that at the expected level yet. Also, instill a new defense to "hide" a player defensively when the team has plenty of guys who can put the ball in the hoop, said player is at best your third scoring option, and you have a top 10 player who can play the same position?Beachcat97 wrote:This has probably been discussed ad nauseum in other threads, but we could help ourselves by adding a zone defense. Maybe that’s how you get Ristic and Ayton on the floor together.
The strength of this team is clear and the ceiling is unbelievably high. Ristic has been at his ceiling and his game and athleticism arent a great match for this teams strength. He can still help this team and he is still an important piece, Miller just has to figure out how he is going to make this work.
ChooChooCat wrote:What player under Sean Miller has ever averaged 34mpg?azcat49 wrote:So Ristic as a scoring Sr would get 6 minutes a game. That won't happen
You can play Ristic and Ayton together in certain spurts, but I would never start off the game or a half with them on the court together. Give Ristic 15mpg or in that region, that's more than enough.
size, rebounding, effort, someone to guard 4s. Has 5 fouls to give. Doesn't need the ball so that fits with Ayton, PJC, Trier, Rawle. Give him the first 3-4 minutes and 2-3 more minutes a half and that will be fine. Akot, Lee, etc. will get more minutes. I just like a role player playing next to those starters. Then Dusan, Barcello, and Akot can run the 2nd unit.rgdeuce wrote:Why Pinder over Akot?
I agree, Merk. It feels a little unfair to impose such steep expectations on our guys, but we’re approaching a decade of Miller as coach. This could be our deepest, most capable team. Anything short of the FF this year will feel disappointing. All the more so given the multiple E8 losses. Miller has his work cut out for him between now and March, but he also has a damn good team. If he can’t reach the FF with such a loaded, experienced team, when will he? Ayton, Trier, Alkins...these guys don’t come along often.Merkin wrote:Final Four has to be this year with recruits bailing, and the ones that do sign only sign financial aid papers, not a NLI.
Thank you for that laugh.Chicat wrote:I’m just about done with this bullshit.
And some of these guys are getting $100k+ to play for us??? Terrible ROI.
Stat of the night. TO's 18-5Spaceman Spiff wrote:SMU had 23 more field goal attempts than we did. It's a really bad sign when you lose two in a row for basically the opposite reasons.
Spaceman Spiff wrote:SMU had 23 more field goal attempts than we did. It's a really bad sign when you lose two in a row for basically the opposite reasons.
Agree and this lineup has its own issues:RondaeShimmy wrote:We legitimately can only play 4 guys (unless playing a cupcake)
Ayton
Trier
PJC
Akot
Everyone else is terrible or isn't ready yet, even akot is too raw
I wasn't being sarcastic. I think elite 8 is the ceiling. Perhaps that changes by the end of the season, but I think it's a fair statement currently.TatetheGreat wrote:I think you're being sarcastic, but that would be an utter failure of a season with the talent we have. SM must break through this year because our chances of a FF decrease dramatically in 2018-2019. I will lead the Fire SM parade if he doesn't get it done in March. No one cares about regular season wins if the E8 is our ceiling. Give me a coach who can do more with less. I miss Lute.PieceOfMeat wrote:It'll be good enough to win a bunch of games this year and reach the elite 8.
how many losses will the pac winner have this year?PennZona20 wrote:We could very well be looking at a 3-4 seed even if we win the PAC.
Yep. It's been like a see-saw w these two with the scoring, and it seems Ayton is only allowed to shine when Trier allows. Not gonna jump on that train just yet, but I think those early big games may not have been the best thing for him, or the team.Main Event wrote:It's about that time we just run the offense through Ayton. You get benched if you take a non wide open shot without him touching the ball on a possession and that includes Zo. You're never getting a player like him again so act like it and ride him
Have to think duke (or top acc team) ku, msu will lock up 1 seeds, villanova likely the fourth 1 seedPennZona20 wrote:We could very well be looking at a 3-4 seed even if we win the PAC.
Too much T&A (Trier, Ayton).Merkin wrote:Why didn't Miller pull Trier end of game when he was a turnover machine? Obviously he, along with Pinder and PJC were out of gas due to the strange CSM rotations.
I don't recall Lute putting up with that ISO shit. Maybe with Igoudala, and Marcus thinking about it, when the Cats had no bench.
Kind of like now.
What happened to Barcello? No points again, for the best shooter on the team. 2 straight turnovers, after having his first TO of the season yesterday.
Absolutely no bench.
I'm with you after tonight. I'm sure they'll improve but my FF expectations are gone. It's only going to get harder for SM to get the right players to run his system. We're already paying the price for his negligence (or implicit support) of Book's shady recruiting. His teams aren't worth emotional investment at this point.PieceOfMeat wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic. I think elite 8 is the ceiling. Perhaps that changes by the end of the season, but I think it's a fair statement currently.TatetheGreat wrote:I think you're being sarcastic, but that would be an utter failure of a season with the talent we have. SM must break through this year because our chances of a FF decrease dramatically in 2018-2019. I will lead the Fire SM parade if he doesn't get it done in March. No one cares about regular season wins if the E8 is our ceiling. Give me a coach who can do more with less. I miss Lute.PieceOfMeat wrote:It'll be good enough to win a bunch of games this year and reach the elite 8.
that is an acceptable reason tbhrgdeuce wrote:These dudes are all playing like the were knee deep in some locals until 5am.
Mercurial is a kinder adjective than I would use to describe the man whose mirror shows him an image of him in a cape with an S on chest.CalStateTempe wrote:You all act like you've never seen the trier show before.
Same stuff-different season. Mercurial player.
when did he say that?Postmaster wrote:Miller said he might go zone when DA and DR are in game together
Does anyone recall what defense lute used in 01 where woods sort of stayed by basket?
1290 post game said that Pascoe got that from Miller after game.SunnyAZ wrote:when did he say that?Postmaster wrote:Miller said he might go zone when DA and DR are in game together
Does anyone recall what defense lute used in 01 where woods sort of stayed by basket?
that would be awesome
Well, he yelled "FUCK" after shaking hands if that's any indication.SunnyAZ wrote:I wish there was post game PCs. Ayton seems to always shoot straight, even if he shouldn't at times. He seems to be unaware of how some things come off or doesn't care what people will think. Either way, I would like to know what he thinks of his trip home so far.
That's just stupid. This whole post is just stupid and reactionary. I get the frustration of not getting a Final Four. But to even broach the subject of firing Miller if he doesn't get us a Final Four this season is asinine. This is the same kind of talk that was floated in the early 90's with Lute, right before the '94 season. On paper, the '93 team was loaded. A senior seven footer. A do it all 3-man who in Chris Mills. And a backcourt of Stoudamire and Reeves. And all that team did was flame out in the first round after a 17-1 run through the Pac.TatetheGreat wrote:I think you're being sarcastic, but that would be an utter failure of a season with the talent we have. SM must break through this year because our chances of a FF decrease dramatically in 2018-2019. I will lead the Fire SM parade if he doesn't get it done in March. No one cares about regular season wins if the E8 is our ceiling. Give me a coach who can do more with less. I miss Lute.PieceOfMeat wrote:It'll be good enough to win a bunch of games this year and reach the elite 8.
Lack of ball movement is a killer IMO. It's clear that Ayton and Trier are head and shoulders above the rest of the roster when it comes to talent and production right now. But to win games, we need ball movement. Just keep whipping the ball in and out and around until someone has a wide open look. Trier and Ayton will get theirs. But if this team is going to go anywhere, guys like Akot, Randolph, Barcello, Lee and eventually Alkins are going to have to play a significant role.psiclist23 wrote:What I see as a difference from the three wins is lack of ball movement. NC State and MSU both were whipping it around finding a good shot.
Is there some kind of dissension in the locker room? What happened to the team that was killing it?
And wow, a couple of losses and the can't-miss cats that you ya'll were lauding last week are now a bunch of good-for-nothing bench warmers.
1-3-1. Or a 1-2-1-1 variation. Woods was in the middle and Gardner ran the baseline on the back end of the zone. We also played a decent amount of 2-3 zone. Gardner was a liability against bigger guards and Woods was a liability on the perimeter. His shot blocking ability made it logical to keep him in the paint. I imagine Miller is beginning to have the same revelation regarding Ayton and PJC. We're just not cut out for man to man defense despite it being my preference.Postmaster wrote:Miller said he might go zone when DA and DR are in game together
Does anyone recall what defense lute used in 01 where woods sort of stayed by basket?
I doubt it's Pitino-level bad, but Miller is responsible for keeping Book around. You don't work, travel, and socialize with a guy for over a decade and have no inkling of his character and recruiting "techniques." If Miller was oblivious to everything, his ability to lead a program should be questioned.zonagrad wrote:That's just stupid. This whole post is just stupid and reactionary. I get the frustration of not getting a Final Four. But to even broach the subject of firing Miller if he doesn't get us a Final Four this season is asinine. This is the same kind of talk that was floated in the early 90's with Lute, right before the '94 season. On paper, the '93 team was loaded. A senior seven footer. A do it all 3-man who in Chris Mills. And a backcourt of Stoudamire and Reeves. And all that team did was flame out in the first round after a 17-1 run through the Pac.TatetheGreat wrote:I think you're being sarcastic, but that would be an utter failure of a season with the talent we have. SM must break through this year because our chances of a FF decrease dramatically in 2018-2019. I will lead the Fire SM parade if he doesn't get it done in March. No one cares about regular season wins if the E8 is our ceiling. Give me a coach who can do more with less. I miss Lute.PieceOfMeat wrote:It'll be good enough to win a bunch of games this year and reach the elite 8.
The only reason I would even entertain the Fire Miller discussion is if he egregiously broke NCAA rules with total disregard. And I doubt that's the case.