2018 Arizona Wildcats football team

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:01 pm

Going strictly off the NAU and ASSu depth charts the following guys are gone (seniors):

Offense:
Cam Denson
Tyrell Johnson
Layth Friekh
Jacob Alsadek
Gerhard de Beer
Shawn Poindexter
Nick Wilson
Zach Green
Christian Boettcher

Defense:
Luca Bruno
Parker Zellers
Brandon Rutt
Dane Cruikshank
Jack Banda
DeAndre’ Miller
Kwesi Mashack

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Footballjunkie · Post by **Footballjunkie** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:14 pm

I remember RR saying that Poindexter might have anothet year? Has that whole situation been decided?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:34 pm

They put in a request for both he and Layth Friek. We will see what happens

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:42 pm

When I look at who we are losing and who is coming in I don't think we'll be all that bad off. My main concern is OL. Do we have enough in the backups and in who's coming in to make it up?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:51 am

azgreg wrote:When I look at who we are losing and who is coming in I don't think we'll be all that bad off. My main concern is OL. Do we have enough in the backups and in who's coming in to make it up?

Not with Coach M headed for Oregon State.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:00 am

chiefzona wrote:
azgreg wrote:When I look at who we are losing and who is coming in I don't think we'll be all that bad off. My main concern is OL. Do we have enough in the backups and in who's coming in to make it up?

Not with Coach M headed for Oregon State.

Hearing Glenn Parker is an option. Don't know his coaching experience, but he has been around the team every day for two years now.

EDIT: No doubt about it, this one hurts.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:11 am

btfd16 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
azgreg wrote:When I look at who we are losing and who is coming in I don't think we'll be all that bad off. My main concern is OL. Do we have enough in the backups and in who's coming in to make it up?

Not with Coach M headed for Oregon State.
Hearing Glenn Parker is an option. Don't know his coaching experience, but he has been around the team every day for two years now.

EDIT: No doubt about it, this one hurts.

Possible but wouldn’t be a smart move. They need a good one and one who knows zone blocking well.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:14 am

Jim Turner Tex A & M would be Great but probably not. Very Good Recruiter as well.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:25 am

ramcat wrote:Jim Turner Tex A & M would be Great but probably not. Very Good Recruiter as well.

Was he officially let go by Jimbo or TBD?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:30 am

btfd16 wrote:
ramcat wrote:Jim Turner Tex A & M would be Great but probably not. Very Good Recruiter as well.
Was he officially let go by Jimbo or TBD?

TBD

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:37 am

Think Fisher will try to keep him but not sure it's done deal. Long shot for sure.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:52 am

I really like the Glenn Parker idea

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:05 am

PHXCATS wrote:I really like the Glenn Parker idea

So does Lev.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:09 am

Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I really like the Glenn Parker idea
So does Lev.

So do the replies.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:10 am

btfd16 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I really like the Glenn Parker idea
So does Lev.

So do the replies.

Homers always going to homer.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:16 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
btfd16 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I really like the Glenn Parker idea
So does Lev.

So do the replies.
Homers always going to homer.

Whats the problem with the idea? He played the position and is a former NFL player, loves the Wildcats and has been around the guys, and has a great attitude for improvement and fire, and has good football knowledge.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:24 am

Better get on it quick.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:57 am

PHXCATS wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
btfd16 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I really like the Glenn Parker idea
So does Lev.

So do the replies.
Homers always going to homer.
Whats the problem with the idea? He played the position and is a former NFL player, loves the Wildcats and has been around the guys, and has a great attitude for improvement and fire, and has good football knowledge.

Can he recruit? Is he willing to put ridiculous amount of time and effort into that process? I'm not doubting his ability to teach kids how to block, although he's never done it in an official setting, so maybe I should be doubting it, but there's more than goes into coaching at the college level than being a former NFL player and alum.

Alpha chiefdom · Post by **Alpha chiefdom** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:00 am

What about rick tricket or greg frey both have rich rod connections?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:02 am

Parker is an option but would not be a good choice considering the mess that RR left the next OL coach. Parker is a nice guy but has zero coaching experience and he is green on zone blocking. Need a better option.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:11 am

quote="ChooChooCat"]

PHXCATS wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
btfd16 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I really like the Glenn Parker idea
So does Lev.

So do the replies.
Homers always going to homer.
Whats the problem with the idea? He played the position and is a former NFL player, loves the Wildcats and has been around the guys, and has a great attitude for improvement and fire, and has good football knowledge.

Can he recruit? Is he willing to put ridiculous amount of time and effort into that process? I'm not doubting his ability to teach kids how to block, although he's never done it in an official setting, so maybe I should be doubting it, but there's more than goes into coaching at the college level than being a former NFL player and alum.[/quote]

Of course there is, but I think he has the personality to do it (teach and recruit) and sounds like he wants to.

Different ages but someone had to give Saban his first coaching job. We would have had those doubts about Saban getting his first job now adays.

And I am not saying Parker will be the next Saban, just saying there are always unknowns and doubts when inexperience but that doesn't mean the right call is to not offer.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:15 am

Mike Cavanaugh coached oline with Reilly at Nebraska and prior at Oregon St for a number of years. Tons of experience!

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:15 am

Adrian Klemm coached oline at UCLA and was recognized as a top recruiter. Was let go early in the year but not sure if he's latched on somevwhere.
Really good recruiter but pretty pedestrian coach. Oline of UCLA always seemed to under achieve.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:19 am

grass is always greener

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:37 am

chiefzona wrote:Parker is an option but would not be a good choice considering the mess that RR left the next OL coach. Parker is a nice guy but has zero coaching experience and he is green on zone blocking. Need a better option.

I agree with every thing you said, but I wouldn't call it a mess. Every single guy who will start next year was on the roster this past year and either played or was injured. The line will be ok.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:19 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:Parker is an option but would not be a good choice considering the mess that RR left the next OL coach. Parker is a nice guy but has zero coaching experience and he is green on zone blocking. Need a better option.
I agree with every thing you said, but I wouldn't call it a mess. Every single guy who will start next year was on the roster this past year and either played or was injured. The line will be ok.

The line will have no depth and even with Michalczik here, would've been a mess. Now it's even worse. Add that with JJ being the starter and poor depth at RB too and the run game is a bit questionable at this point. Now, things can change but it ain't looking good right now. We shall see how things play out.

Footballjunkie · Post by **Footballjunkie** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:32 pm

Somebody call John Fina!
4 Superbowls
10 years of NFL exp.
lives in Tucson.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:40 pm

chiefzona wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:Parker is an option but would not be a good choice considering the mess that RR left the next OL coach. Parker is a nice guy but has zero coaching experience and he is green on zone blocking. Need a better option.
I agree with every thing you said, but I wouldn't call it a mess. Every single guy who will start next year was on the roster this past year and either played or was injured. The line will be ok.

The line will have no depth and even with Michalczik here, would've been a mess. Now it's even worse. Add that with JJ being the starter and poor depth at RB too and the run game is a bit questionable at this point. Now, things can change but it ain't looking good right now. We shall see how things play out.

Yep lots of wrong in that post but not surprising given how Chief feels about RR. They will be inexperience but the staff loves Cain and Creason was as much a starter as the starting 5. Eletise if he can control weight should have a solid year. Depth will be am issue for sure and we need more bodies So I welcome a change

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:48 pm

azcat49 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:Parker is an option but would not be a good choice considering the mess that RR left the next OL coach. Parker is a nice guy but has zero coaching experience and he is green on zone blocking. Need a better option.
I agree with every thing you said, but I wouldn't call it a mess. Every single guy who will start next year was on the roster this past year and either played or was injured. The line will be ok.

The line will have no depth and even with Michalczik here, would've been a mess. Now it's even worse. Add that with JJ being the starter and poor depth at RB too and the run game is a bit questionable at this point. Now, things can change but it ain't looking good right now. We shall see how things play out.
Yep lots of wrong in that post but not surprising given how Chief feels about RR. They will be inexperience but the staff loves Cain and Creason was as much a starter as the starting 5. Eletise if he can control weight should have a solid year. Depth will be am issue for sure and we need more bodies So I welcome a change

Typical RR post from chiefhater. Doesn't coach JM have any responsibility for the state of the O line? The buck stops at RR but I wonder how hard he tried to keep JM on board. I mean, ntOSU over Arizona? He got an assistant head coach title, make sense from that perspective. Anyways, hopefully we can get a new OL coach on board that has some good commits they can bring with. I like the idea of Glenn Parker but it would be good to get a coach with a built-in recruiting pipeline. Maybe Glenn can start as some type of assistant or analyst and start building relationships for the next time around.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:56 pm

chiefzona wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:Parker is an option but would not be a good choice considering the mess that RR left the next OL coach. Parker is a nice guy but has zero coaching experience and he is green on zone blocking. Need a better option.
I agree with every thing you said, but I wouldn't call it a mess. Every single guy who will start next year was on the roster this past year and either played or was injured. The line will be ok.

The line will have no depth and even with Michalczik here, would've been a mess. Now it's even worse. Add that with JJ being the starter and poor depth at RB too and the run game is a bit questionable at this point. Now, things can change but it ain't looking good right now. We shall see how things play out.

Are you that freaking worry? What mess are you trying to say. Not enough depth in O-line? Ok so if I go check ArizonaWildcats.com on Arizona roster and I count 18, Losing 4, Adding 3. So do the math. We should be fine in the department.

Alpha chiefdom · Post by **Alpha chiefdom** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:42 pm

Yes chiefzona is worried he's the biggest rich rod hater out there. In his eyes rich rod can't do anything right. I think this might be a good thing coach m is gone. Coach m offensive lines were terrible at pass blocking and not aggressive at run blocking. I would like to see coach rod hire greg frey or rick tricket. both good recruiters with understanding of zone blocking. Tricket coached with rod at wvu and frey at Michigan.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:52 pm

That will never happen if Heeke pony up the money for RR to hired any of those two.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:36 pm

UALoco wrote:
azcat49 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:Parker is an option but would not be a good choice considering the mess that RR left the next OL coach. Parker is a nice guy but has zero coaching experience and he is green on zone blocking. Need a better option.
I agree with every thing you said, but I wouldn't call it a mess. Every single guy who will start next year was on the roster this past year and either played or was injured. The line will be ok.

The line will have no depth and even with Michalczik here, would've been a mess. Now it's even worse. Add that with JJ being the starter and poor depth at RB too and the run game is a bit questionable at this point. Now, things can change but it ain't looking good right now. We shall see how things play out.
Yep lots of wrong in that post but not surprising given how Chief feels about RR. They will be inexperience but the staff loves Cain and Creason was as much a starter as the starting 5. Eletise if he can control weight should have a solid year. Depth will be am issue for sure and we need more bodies So I welcome a change
Typical RR post from chiefhater. Doesn't coach JM have any responsibility for the state of the O line? The buck stops at RR but I wonder how hard he tried to keep JM on board. I mean, ntOSU over Arizona? He got an assistant head coach title, make sense from that perspective. Anyways, hopefully we can get a new OL coach on board that has some good commits they can bring with. I like the idea of Glenn Parker but it would be good to get a coach with a built-in recruiting pipeline. Maybe Glenn can start as some type of assistant or analyst and start building relationships for the next time around.

JM has been trying to leave for years. Last year it was Fresno St and his old boss from California so this was not unexpected. Some of that was used against us on the recruiting trail. Last year wasn't a good year to make a change coming off a 3-9 campaign. Now it's a bit easuer.

We could get LF back with a Jr center Nj, eEetise, Cain, Creason, the Sparty transfer Lakuso and I can't remember the two other guys we had in the rotation this year. Not sure but for sure thin. This one isn't on RR

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:38 am

If a good OL coach took an Oregon State job and was looking at a Fresno State job last year.....what does that tell you? Oregon State and Fresno State over Arizona? It’s a direct reflection of the head honcho. Think about it.

Alpha chiefdom · Post by **Alpha chiefdom** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:55 am

What it tells me is that coach m was a coach that doesn't like to recruit. He's far from a good offensive line coach. He would rather go to Oregon st. or Fresno st. where his lack of putting full effort towards his job will be tolerated. I believe we will see a major improvement in line play next season. This team is about to be scary good I'm excited for the future

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:01 am

He's got an associate HC title now and run game coordinator responsibility. Likely to get a nice bump in pay as well.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:09 am

Alpha chiefdom wrote:What it tells me is that coach m was a coach that doesn't like to recruit. He's far from a good offensive line coach. He would rather go to Oregon st. or Fresno st. where his lack of putting full effort towards his job will be tolerated. I believe we will see a major improvement in line play next season. This team is about to be scary good I'm excited for the future

Every single thing that you said in this paragraph is wrong. RR doesn’t like to recruit and handcuffed Coach M. Yet, Coach M still coached his ass off to try and keep his OL competitive in which he succeeded. Alsadek was good because of him. Eldridge became a serviceable C which wasn’t his natural position. DeBeer became a decent O-lineman without having much football experience because of Coach M. So, you’re wrong. But hey, keep drumming your Anti-Chief rants. I own you. Kisses Cousin.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:40 am

I do think coach M was a pretty good coach and did good work with what we had. Recruiting wise his desire to get back to the NW was often used against us thus maybe the difficulty in bringing in kids.

Not sure why RR is targeted as the main reason everyone can't recruit. Yes the buck stops at his desk and he appears to take the path of least resistance but his job is also to assemble guys that can recruit and if they don't to make changes as he has done

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:53 am

azcat49 wrote:I do think coach M was a pretty good coach and did good work with what we had. Recruiting wise his desire to get back to the NW was often used against us thus maybe the difficulty in bringing in kids.

Not sure why RR is targeted as the main reason everyone can't recruit. Yes the buck stops at his desk and he appears to take the path of least resistance but his job is also to assemble guys that can recruit and if they don't to make changes as he has done

RR is the final say in who and what positions get recruited and who they end up giving scholarships too. He has always neglected the OL and DL. He’s notorious for it. Michalczik put up with it for as long as he could than jumped to a lesser school.

Alpha chiefdom · Post by **Alpha chiefdom** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:18 am

Lol, chiefzona you definitely don't own me. I'm just getting started with you that's why I'm the alpha. You think you know but you have no idea. Rrod has always had good offensive lines. Go back to his wvu days and Michigan they put out some good line play i would say thanks to rrod system is why the line play under coach m has been decent the last few years. My only complaint with coach rod is on defense always has been his weak point. I think he's finally getting that corrected. You stating that he has always neglected oline is not true.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:26 am

Alpha chiefdom wrote:Lol, chiefzona you definitely don't own me. I'm just getting started with you that's why I'm the alpha. You think you know but you have no idea. Rrod has always had good offensive lines. Go back to his wvu days and Michigan they put out some good line play i would say thanks to rrod system is why the line play under coach m has been decent the last few years. My only complaint with coach rod is on defense always has been his weak point. I think he's finally getting that corrected. You stating that he has always neglected oline is not true.

I disagree with everything you said except defense has always been RR’s weakness. In his mind, his offense is his defense.

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:32 am

chiefzona wrote:If a good OL coach took an Oregon State job and was looking at a Fresno State job last year.....what does that tell you? Oregon State and Fresno State over Arizona? It’s a direct reflection of the head honcho. Think about it.

No doubt this is what it tells you. You are transparent. Getting beyond your hate for RR, why weren't better schools interested in JM? If he is so terrific, why only Fresno State and and then he jumps at mighty Oregon State? Being the OL coach on a perennial loser is going to look great on his resume, right? Couldn't cut it at Cal, produced shitty results at UA, now he's at OSU, the conference joke, and he's 51 years old. Is that your idea of a winner? Think about it.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:34 am

chiefzona wrote:If a good OL coach took an Oregon State job and was looking at a Fresno State job last year.....what does that tell you? Oregon State and Fresno State over Arizona? It’s a direct reflection of the head honcho. Think about it.

The Michalczik's and the Rodriguez' are friends. You're wrong on this. Max and Rhett were really good friends in HS as well. He is familiar with Tedford, would've gotten a promotion. He is getting a promotion at ntOSU. This isn't Jim hating RR this is you hating RR.

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:49 am

chiefzona wrote:
Alpha chiefdom wrote:Lol, chiefzona you definitely don't own me. I'm just getting started with you that's why I'm the alpha. You think you know but you have no idea. Rrod has always had good offensive lines. Go back to his wvu days and Michigan they put out some good line play i would say thanks to rrod system is why the line play under coach m has been decent the last few years. My only complaint with coach rod is on defense always has been his weak point. I think he's finally getting that corrected. You stating that he has always neglected oline is not true.

I disagree with everything you said except defense has always been RR’s weakness. In his mind, his offense is his defense.

C'mon. RR generally does have statistically good line play. Perennial top 30 in FBS in run offense, total offense and less so perennial top 30 with sacks allowed. This goes back to early WV days to current.

RR has been run heavy most of his career. Actually has changed since being at UA. Sacks allowed for him took a hit in Anu Solomon days and 1st year at Michigan. Other than among the best in sacks allowed. Run offense and Total offense were still among the best in FBS these years. You could say scheme but then again puts less emphasis or analysis towards the Oline.

BTW, Rick Trickett would be a nice plug for OL coach. Former Marine, players love him, long time friend of RR's. Little up there in age. Not much in West Coast recruiting but reputation would ease that. Way too expensive for UA though.

Defense? I'm on board with

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:15 am

btfd16 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:If a good OL coach took an Oregon State job and was looking at a Fresno State job last year.....what does that tell you? Oregon State and Fresno State over Arizona? It’s a direct reflection of the head honcho. Think about it.
The Michalczik's and the Rodriguez' are friends. You're wrong on this. Max and Rhett were really good friends in HS as well. He is familiar with Tedford, would've gotten a promotion. He is getting a promotion at ntOSU. This isn't Jim hating RR this is you hating RR.

I never mentioned that it was hate. Show me where I said that.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:15 am

MrMeow wrote:
chiefzona wrote:If a good OL coach took an Oregon State job and was looking at a Fresno State job last year.....what does that tell you? Oregon State and Fresno State over Arizona? It’s a direct reflection of the head honcho. Think about it.
No doubt this is what it tells you. You are transparent. Getting beyond your hate for RR, why weren't better schools interested in JM? If he is so terrific, why only Fresno State and and then he jumps at mighty Oregon State? Being the OL coach on a perennial loser is going to look great on his resume, right? Couldn't cut it at Cal, produced shitty results at UA, now he's at OSU, the conference joke, and he's 51 years old. Is that your idea of a winner? Think about it.

There isn’t one thing right about what you said. Wow.

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:04 pm

chiefzona wrote:
MrMeow wrote:
chiefzona wrote:If a good OL coach took an Oregon State job and was looking at a Fresno State job last year.....what does that tell you? Oregon State and Fresno State over Arizona? It’s a direct reflection of the head honcho. Think about it.
No doubt this is what it tells you. You are transparent. Getting beyond your hate for RR, why weren't better schools interested in JM? If he is so terrific, why only Fresno State and and then he jumps at mighty Oregon State? Being the OL coach on a perennial loser is going to look great on his resume, right? Couldn't cut it at Cal, produced shitty results at UA, now he's at OSU, the conference joke, and he's 51 years old. Is that your idea of a winner? Think about it.

There isn’t one thing right about what you said. Wow.

Sorry Chief, there is nothing I said that is not true ... beginning with your demonstrated hatred for RR, which stands out in all your posts. Yes, you are transparent, and yes, JM is, and has been, on a downward slide. Fresno State and OSU are not great opportunities. They are the best JM could do, and that is not RR's fault. Did I get his age wrong? (no)

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:18 pm

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
Alpha chiefdom wrote:Lol, chiefzona you definitely don't own me. I'm just getting started with you that's why I'm the alpha. You think you know but you have no idea. Rrod has always had good offensive lines. Go back to his wvu days and Michigan they put out some good line play i would say thanks to rrod system is why the line play under coach m has been decent the last few years. My only complaint with coach rod is on defense always has been his weak point. I think he's finally getting that corrected. You stating that he has always neglected oline is not true.

I disagree with everything you said except defense has always been RR’s weakness. In his mind, his offense is his defense.

C'mon. RR generally does have statistically good line play. Perennial top 30 in FBS in run offense, total offense and less so perennial top 30 with sacks allowed. This goes back to early WV days to current.

RR has been run heavy most of his career. Actually has changed since being at UA. Sacks allowed for him took a hit in Anu Solomon days and 1st year at Michigan. Other than among the best in sacks allowed. Run offense and Total offense were still among the best in FBS these years. You could say scheme but then again puts less emphasis or analysis towards the Oline.

BTW, Rick Trickett would be a nice plug for OL coach. Former Marine, players love him, long time friend of RR's. Little up there in age. Not much in West Coast recruiting but reputation would ease that. Way too expensive for UA though.

Defense? I'm on board with

RR got away with poor OL recruiting at WVU because it was in the Big East and he had a brand new offense that DCs couldn't figure out. Same here at Arizona. He came in and rode Stoop's offensive lineman for 3 years and then the recruiting drop off on the line became quite apparent. Michalczik did whatever he could with the patchwork OL. But he knew the ride was over. RR has a good no sacks allowed stat because he doesn't have pocket passers or even passers. He has runners back there that defenses have to play differently. The DCs usually back off on the pass rush since the majority of RR's offense is running. RR's run blocks are made quickly and efficiently but you'll notice when they play the good DLs that end up blowing them off the line.

I don't know much about Trickett. We Marines are never former.....once a Marine always a Marine.

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:36 pm

chiefzona wrote:
RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
Alpha chiefdom wrote:Lol, chiefzona you definitely don't own me. I'm just getting started with you that's why I'm the alpha. You think you know but you have no idea. Rrod has always had good offensive lines. Go back to his wvu days and Michigan they put out some good line play i would say thanks to rrod system is why the line play under coach m has been decent the last few years. My only complaint with coach rod is on defense always has been his weak point. I think he's finally getting that corrected. You stating that he has always neglected oline is not true.

I disagree with everything you said except defense has always been RR’s weakness. In his mind, his offense is his defense.

C'mon. RR generally does have statistically good line play. Perennial top 30 in FBS in run offense, total offense and less so perennial top 30 with sacks allowed. This goes back to early WV days to current.

RR has been run heavy most of his career. Actually has changed since being at UA. Sacks allowed for him took a hit in Anu Solomon days and 1st year at Michigan. Other than among the best in sacks allowed. Run offense and Total offense were still among the best in FBS these years. You could say scheme but then again puts less emphasis or analysis towards the Oline.

BTW, Rick Trickett would be a nice plug for OL coach. Former Marine, players love him, long time friend of RR's. Little up there in age. Not much in West Coast recruiting but reputation would ease that. Way too expensive for UA though.

Defense? I'm on board with
RR got away with poor OL recruiting at WVU because it was in the Big East and he had a brand new offense that DCs couldn't figure out. Same here at Arizona. He came in and rode Stoop's offensive lineman for 3 years and then the recruiting drop off on the line became quite apparent. Michalczik did whatever he could with the patchwork OL. But he knew the ride was over. RR has a good no sacks allowed stat because he doesn't have pocket passers or even passers. He has runners back there that defenses have to play differently. The DCs usually back off on the pass rush since the majority of RR's offense is running. RR's run blocks are made quickly and efficiently but you'll notice when they play the good DLs that end up blowing them off the line.

I don't know much about Trickett. We Marines are never former.....once a Marine always a Marine.

Chief, the absurdity of what you imply, that as a D-1 head football coach, RR does not allow the recruitment of superior OL recruits because he doesn't value a good offensive line, and therefore JM was stuck with what RR allowed. Wow!

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:53 pm

MrMeow wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
Alpha chiefdom wrote:Lol, chiefzona you definitely don't own me. I'm just getting started with you that's why I'm the alpha. You think you know but you have no idea. Rrod has always had good offensive lines. Go back to his wvu days and Michigan they put out some good line play i would say thanks to rrod system is why the line play under coach m has been decent the last few years. My only complaint with coach rod is on defense always has been his weak point. I think he's finally getting that corrected. You stating that he has always neglected oline is not true.

I disagree with everything you said except defense has always been RR’s weakness. In his mind, his offense is his defense.

C'mon. RR generally does have statistically good line play. Perennial top 30 in FBS in run offense, total offense and less so perennial top 30 with sacks allowed. This goes back to early WV days to current.

RR has been run heavy most of his career. Actually has changed since being at UA. Sacks allowed for him took a hit in Anu Solomon days and 1st year at Michigan. Other than among the best in sacks allowed. Run offense and Total offense were still among the best in FBS these years. You could say scheme but then again puts less emphasis or analysis towards the Oline.

BTW, Rick Trickett would be a nice plug for OL coach. Former Marine, players love him, long time friend of RR's. Little up there in age. Not much in West Coast recruiting but reputation would ease that. Way too expensive for UA though.

Defense? I'm on board with
RR got away with poor OL recruiting at WVU because it was in the Big East and he had a brand new offense that DCs couldn't figure out. Same here at Arizona. He came in and rode Stoop's offensive lineman for 3 years and then the recruiting drop off on the line became quite apparent. Michalczik did whatever he could with the patchwork OL. But he knew the ride was over. RR has a good no sacks allowed stat because he doesn't have pocket passers or even passers. He has runners back there that defenses have to play differently. The DCs usually back off on the pass rush since the majority of RR's offense is running. RR's run blocks are made quickly and efficiently but you'll notice when they play the good DLs that end up blowing them off the line.

I don't know much about Trickett. We Marines are never former.....once a Marine always a Marine.
Chief, the absurdity of what you imply, that as a D-1 head football coach, RR does not allow the recruitment of superior OL recruits because he doesn't value a good offensive line, and therefore JM was stuck with what RR allowed. Wow!

RR has been neglectful at Arizona of his OL and DL. We all know this. I never said he doesn't allow. He doesn't get them or he signs off on lower echelon guys. I'd also add that scheme could stop the stellar guys.

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