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ChooChooCat wrote:Fwiw I agree with Chief very much so on how the fans view Rich Rod currently. The ASU game could've swayed some fans who were on the fence and unfortunately for Rich those fans have jumped off the fence and are going into next year with a "I'll watch Khalil Tate at home" stance. Rich Rod could conceivably win 9 games next year (all pending on Tate's health) and could still very likely lose his job.
Yep, and that proves they are not good supporters of the program. Shame. Arizona NEEDS more support to get to the next level.Merkin wrote:Tucson could have watched Tate at Arizona Stadium this past season when he was the hottest player in college football, and still stayed home.
I'm not saying the fans don't deserve blame, but the football fanbase has never been a show up no matter what type fanbase. Tucson is very much impacted by what direction most believe the program is headed in, hence the good attendance numbers for Stoops even during the early years. When things look on the up and up fans show up, when it looks like things are more of the same or going downhill they stay home. RR certainly has let it get to that point. He's starting to climb out of the ditch, but can he fully climb out to get Tucson's support? Even with 9 wins I highly doubt it.PHXCATS wrote:If U of A wins 9 games next year and the fans dont show up, that is on the "fans" not RR 100%.ChooChooCat wrote:Fwiw I agree with Chief very much so on how the fans view Rich Rod currently. The ASU game could've swayed some fans who were on the fence and unfortunately for Rich those fans have jumped off the fence and are going into next year with a "I'll watch Khalil Tate at home" stance. Rich Rod could conceivably win 9 games next year (all pending on Tate's health) and could still very likely lose his job.
He won't extend him this year that's for sure. Attendance will matter more than wins next year for RR's job security. I wouldn't count on next season being much better than last.chiefzona wrote:Heeke wanted a win over ASU. If Heeke doesn’t extend RR by tomorrow,’the table is set for the direction he intends to go.
So what happen if RR prove you wrong again chief? It like you keep making the same old excuses.chiefzona wrote:Heeke wanted a win over ASU. If Heeke doesn’t extend RR by tomorrow,’the table is set for the direction he intends to go.
How drunk are you tonight bud?cordera89 wrote: RR could maintain Arizona football to above .500 or better and go bowl games and still keep his job regardless of how bad the attendance. I said fuck them. They haven't done jack shit for Arizona.
cordera89 wrote:So what happen if RR prove you wrong again chief? It like you keep making the same old excuses.chiefzona wrote:Heeke wanted a win over ASU. If Heeke doesn’t extend RR by tomorrow,’the table is set for the direction he intends to go.
Patting your self on the back continually, over multiple posts, about your for-the-troops purchasing of tickets while simultaneously calling, rather casually, other Arizona fans "turds" speaks more of your character than anything anyone else is saying.PHXCATS wrote: Preach on. The haters and turds will always find faults because that us their character
chiefzona wrote:Heeke wanted a win over ASU. If Heeke doesn’t extend RR by tomorrow,’the table is set for the direction he intends to go.
Let me put it like this, You and your bandwagon crusader were hoping that RR would be fired this season and that didn't happen as y'all though. You can it lucky or you call it miracle. . RR prove your ass wrong this season. 2018 he going prove everyone wrong once again. He didn't prove you right. He made you look like asses with all the hate. He made you his bitch by proving everything you said wrong. I could care less about ASU loss since that your strongest argument to go with. But at the end of day he still going to be roaming the sideline at Arizona.chiefzona wrote:cordera89 wrote:So what happen if RR prove you wrong again chief? It like you keep making the same old excuses.chiefzona wrote:Heeke wanted a win over ASU. If Heeke doesn’t extend RR by tomorrow,’the table is set for the direction he intends to go.
RR has never proved me wrong. He always makes me look good. It’s old. We all need a new Jefe who knows how to recruit and beat the big dogs instead of embarrassing the program with sorry decisions and losses against ASU.
Why would ASU fans want to come on an Arizona broad and cause problem.UALoco wrote:Who attends the game because the coach? Stupidest thing I've heard. People attend games to see meaningful wins. Arizona was 3-1 this year at home in pac12 play. And the 1 loss was by by 6 points, one possession.
I'm an alumni, a whole bunch of my friends are UA alumni, many of my co-workers are alumni. I am known to talk about Arizona football incessantly. I was in a focus group to help address attendance and we met at least 6 times and talked for hours about attendance issues. This is the only place I heard that attendance was lacking because of RR. I am starting to think that ASU has hacked this board and has stupid bots posting some of this RR hate garbage. I get being critical, but jeez, I'm over the haters.
cordera89 wrote:Let me put it like this, You and your bandwagon crusader were hoping that RR would be fired this season and that didn't happen as y'all though. You can it lucky or you call it miracle. . RR prove your ass wrong this season. 2018 he going prove everyone wrong once again. He didn't prove you right. He made you look like asses with all the hate. He made you his bitch by proving everything you said wrong. I could care less about ASU loss since that your strongest argument to go with. But at the end of day he still going to be roaming the sideline at Arizona.chiefzona wrote:cordera89 wrote:So what happen if RR prove you wrong again chief? It like you keep making the same old excuses.chiefzona wrote:Heeke wanted a win over ASU. If Heeke doesn’t extend RR by tomorrow,’the table is set for the direction he intends to go.
RR has never proved me wrong. He always makes me look good. It’s old. We all need a new Jefe who knows how to recruit and beat the big dogs instead of embarrassing the program with sorry decisions and losses against ASU.
So basically you got nothing to say at all but to fall back on a stupid comment. The joke on you if you want to keep disliking the hell out RR. One day your going to realize that your full of shit.chiefzona wrote:cordera89 wrote:Let me put it like this, You and your bandwagon crusader were hoping that RR would be fired this season and that didn't happen as y'all though. You can it lucky or you call it miracle. . RR prove your ass wrong this season. 2018 he going prove everyone wrong once again. He didn't prove you right. He made you look like asses with all the hate. He made you his bitch by proving everything you said wrong. I could care less about ASU loss since that your strongest argument to go with. But at the end of day he still going to be roaming the sideline at Arizona.chiefzona wrote:cordera89 wrote:So what happen if RR prove you wrong again chief? It like you keep making the same old excuses.chiefzona wrote:Heeke wanted a win over ASU. If Heeke doesn’t extend RR by tomorrow,’the table is set for the direction he intends to go.
RR has never proved me wrong. He always makes me look good. It’s old. We all need a new Jefe who knows how to recruit and beat the big dogs instead of embarrassing the program with sorry decisions and losses against ASU.
The joke is on you and the Arizona fan base. Unfortunately. But hey. Merry Christmas.
cordera89 wrote:chiefzona wrote:So basically you got nothing to say at all but to fall back on a stupid comment. The joke on you if you want to keep disliking the hell out RR. One day your going to realize that your full of shit.cordera89 wrote:chiefzona wrote:Let me put it like this, You and your bandwagon crusader were hoping that RR would be fired this season and that didn't happen as y'all though. You can it lucky or you call it miracle. . RR prove your ass wrong this season. 2018 he going prove everyone wrong once again. He didn't prove you right. He made you look like asses with all the hate. He made you his bitch by proving everything you said wrong. I could care less about ASU loss since that your strongest argument to go with. But at the end of day he still going to be roaming the sideline at Arizona.cordera89 wrote:
RR has never proved me wrong. He always makes me look good. It’s old. We all need a new Jefe who knows how to recruit and beat the big dogs instead of embarrassing the program with sorry decisions and losses against ASU.
The joke is on you and the Arizona fan base. Unfortunately. But hey. Merry Christmas.
catgrad97 wrote:He made the same typo about this board. Twice. Calling it a "broad."
Does that answer your question chief?
cordera89 wrote:The best argument you come up with is too brag how shitty his conference record and his record against three other schools to imply or convincing that Arizona should be dominating UCLA, USC & ASU every fucking year right. That Arizona should be winning the Division or PAC 12 Title on yearly basic right. Are you trying to say that Arizona is god in the PAC 12. Tell me when has history ever shown that Arizona football were remotely capable of achieve those aspects if like you to play dumb with that chief.
This is a really good point. We had a much better than expected season and things are looking up. Yet some of you seem overly pissed off.cordera89 wrote:Why would ASU fans want to come on an Arizona broad and cause problem.UALoco wrote:Who attends the game because the coach? Stupidest thing I've heard. People attend games to see meaningful wins. Arizona was 3-1 this year at home in pac12 play. And the 1 loss was by by 6 points, one possession.
I'm an alumni, a whole bunch of my friends
are UA alumni, many of my co-workers are alumni. I am known to talk about Arizona football incessantly. I was in a focus group to help address attendance and we met at least 6 times and talked for hours about attendance issues. This is the only place I heard that attendance was lacking because of RR. I am starting to think that ASU has hacked this board and has stupid bots posting some of this RR hate garbage. I get being critical, but jeez, I'm over the haters.
Because the only hate I seen coming from this broad are Arizona Fan itself.
Ummm people go to the games if they feel it's worth their time and investment. A lameduck coach is not worth a non-hardcore fan's time and investment. This is pretty damn universal and not rocket science. Hell I know RR lost a lot of hardcore fans (of the ones he had left) after the ASU debacle how do you think the non-hardcore fans view this regime? Whatever focus group you were in were obviously focused on every thing outside of producing a non-mediocre product, which is fine considering it's up to the AD to ensure that occurs and not a focus group who can only provide quality input on gameday festivities.UALoco wrote:Who attends the game because the coach? Stupidest thing I've heard. People attend games to see meaningful wins. Arizona was 3-1 this year at home in pac12 play. And the 1 loss was by by 6 points, one possession.
I'm an alumni, a whole bunch of my friends are UA alumni, many of my co-workers are alumni. I am known to talk about Arizona football incessantly. I was in a focus group to help address attendance and we met at least 6 times and talked for hours about attendance issues. This is the only place I heard that attendance was lacking because of RR. I am starting to think that ASU has hacked this board and has stupid bots posting some of this RR hate garbage. I get being critical, but jeez, I'm over the haters.
That is fine and I get it but realize if you fall in this camp you hurt UA's chances of getting the best coach possible in many ways and the department wont care about what you have to say.ChooChooCat wrote:Ummm people go to the games if they feel it's worth their time and investment. A lameduck coach is not worth a non-hardcore fan's time and investment. This is pretty damn universal and not rocket science. Hell I know RR lost a lot of hardcore fans (of the ones he had left) after the ASU debacle how do you think the non-hardcore fans view this regime? Whatever focus group you were in were obviously focused on every thing outside of producing a non-mediocre product, which is fine considering it's up to the AD to ensure that occurs and not a focus group who can only provide quality input on gameday festivities.UALoco wrote:Who attends the game because the coach? Stupidest thing I've heard. People attend games to see meaningful wins. Arizona was 3-1 this year at home in pac12 play. And the 1 loss was by by 6 points, one possession.
I'm an alumni, a whole bunch of my friends are UA alumni, many of my co-workers are alumni. I am known to talk about Arizona football incessantly. I was in a focus group to help address attendance and we met at least 6 times and talked for hours about attendance issues. This is the only place I heard that attendance was lacking because of RR. I am starting to think that ASU has hacked this board and has stupid bots posting some of this RR hate garbage. I get being critical, but jeez, I'm over the haters.
It's the department's job to make me (and any prospective customer) want to spend money on the product they put out on that field, you do understand that right? The department cares very much what any prospective customer has to say, especially when they're falling 15,000 short to filling the stadium every week, hence why I've stated numerous times if attendance continues to suffer then Heeke's hands are tied.PHXCATS wrote:That is fine and I get it but realize if you fall in this camp you hurt UA's chances of getting the best coach possible in many ways and the department wont care about what you have to say.ChooChooCat wrote:Ummm people go to the games if they feel it's worth their time and investment. A lameduck coach is not worth a non-hardcore fan's time and investment. This is pretty damn universal and not rocket science. Hell I know RR lost a lot of hardcore fans (of the ones he had left) after the ASU debacle how do you think the non-hardcore fans view this regime? Whatever focus group you were in were obviously focused on every thing outside of producing a non-mediocre product, which is fine considering it's up to the AD to ensure that occurs and not a focus group who can only provide quality input on gameday festivities.UALoco wrote:Who attends the game because the coach? Stupidest thing I've heard. People attend games to see meaningful wins. Arizona was 3-1 this year at home in pac12 play. And the 1 loss was by by 6 points, one possession.
I'm an alumni, a whole bunch of my friends are UA alumni, many of my co-workers are alumni. I am known to talk about Arizona football incessantly. I was in a focus group to help address attendance and we met at least 6 times and talked for hours about attendance issues. This is the only place I heard that attendance was lacking because of RR. I am starting to think that ASU has hacked this board and has stupid bots posting some of this RR hate garbage. I get being critical, but jeez, I'm over the haters.
Oh and players as well.
azcat49 wrote:This why Heeke was so upset with the ASSU loss. It made it much harder to shake the fans perception of RR and for them to buy tickets
Facts. Good coaches both head coaches and assistants require money. Coaches and players do not want to coach and play in front of empty seats. Fans in the stands solves both of those.ChooChooCat wrote:It's the department's job to make me (and any prospective customer) want to spend money on the product they put out on that field, you do understand that right? The department cares very much what any prospective customer has to say, especially when they're falling 15,000 short to filling the stadium every week, hence why I've stated numerous times if attendance continues to suffer then Heeke's hands are tied.PHXCATS wrote:That is fine and I get it but realize if you fall in this camp you hurt UA's chances of getting the best coach possible in many ways and the department wont care about what you have to say.ChooChooCat wrote:Ummm people go to the games if they feel it's worth their time and investment. A lameduck coach is not worth a non-hardcore fan's time and investment. This is pretty damn universal and not rocket science. Hell I know RR lost a lot of hardcore fans (of the ones he had left) after the ASU debacle how do you think the non-hardcore fans view this regime? Whatever focus group you were in were obviously focused on every thing outside of producing a non-mediocre product, which is fine considering it's up to the AD to ensure that occurs and not a focus group who can only provide quality input on gameday festivities.UALoco wrote:Who attends the game because the coach? Stupidest thing I've heard. People attend games to see meaningful wins. Arizona was 3-1 this year at home in pac12 play. And the 1 loss was by by 6 points, one possession.
I'm an alumni, a whole bunch of my friends are UA alumni, many of my co-workers are alumni. I am known to talk about Arizona football incessantly. I was in a focus group to help address attendance and we met at least 6 times and talked for hours about attendance issues. This is the only place I heard that attendance was lacking because of RR. I am starting to think that ASU has hacked this board and has stupid bots posting some of this RR hate garbage. I get being critical, but jeez, I'm over the haters.
Oh and players as well.
Why do you think Sean Miller has been given the lee way that he has been given by the AD during the current mess we're in? He wins and his program puts butts in the seats. RR doesn't win in games that people care about (conference games and ASU games) and he doesn't put butts in seats.
I can't stand the sanctimonious "our fans suck and it's their fault" line of thought. Arizona has the highest attendance in basketball, baseball, and softball in this conference. Quit blaming the fans for football. Sure they could be better, but it's not ALL their fault always.
So a proving you have a sack move is to ignore the fact that this are improving and expectations were shattered?chiefzona wrote:azcat49 wrote:This why Heeke was so upset with the ASSU loss. It made it much harder to shake the fans perception of RR and for them to buy tickets
Yet Heeke still gives him a pass at year 6. Heeke is his own worst enemy. When he shows some sack is when the fan base will turn around. Beer sales alone won’t do it.
He's gotta pay for an indoor facility and doesn't have the donors to buy RR out. If RR didn't have Tate then Heeke's hands would've for sure been tied and he would've ate that buyout & shitcanned RR no question. He at least has a glimmer of a hope to obtain some revenue via Khalil Tate this next season and will have a smaller buyout. I'm not mad at Heeke's decision at all. From the looks of it he doesn't have to worry about any Pac-12 school firing their coach this offseason to get in the way of anybody he's targeting either.chiefzona wrote:azcat49 wrote:This why Heeke was so upset with the ASSU loss. It made it much harder to shake the fans perception of RR and for them to buy tickets
Yet Heeke still gives him a pass at year 6. Heeke is his own worst enemy. When he shows some sack is when the fan base will turn around. Beer sales alone won’t do it.
Good lord man you are just dense. Obviously money is required for coaches and assistants, but do you think doing the same ol' damn thing and attracting merely 40K people in a 55K stadium every game is going to bring in said money to pay these coaches? If you stick with a coach the fanbase has already mentally given up on and moved on from how do you suggest you attract more people to games?PHXCATS wrote:
Facts. Good coaches both head coaches and assistants require money. Coaches and players do not want to coach and play in front of empty seats. Fans in the stands solves both of those.
You make a point about the game day experience with prospective fans but no ad is gonna listen to people who don't contribute to the program about the coaches. Why would they listen to someone who won't help them out? Now if you and the haters made contributions and bought tickets contingent on firing RR then maybe.
Actually I am pretty sure it IS the FIRST award RR will win for the year. Impressive group he has on his bandwagon, though. MAGA!whatisee wrote:COY for Rich Rod and !st team all PAC12 D for Lorenzo Burns. Pretty nice snd i imagine not the first award RR will win for this year
Only because he needs to stick around for another 32 days to get a guaranteed ~$3.5MM payday.PHXCATS wrote:This is not accurate at all. There is no chance RR is reaching out to other teams. PERIODMerkin wrote:COY won't bring the fans back into the stands.
I imagine RichRod's agent is quite busy making calls.CalStateTempe wrote:Sweet maybe he moves on
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.PHXCATS wrote:There is NO CHANCE he is right now. PERIOD. With his performance in 2016 and his family, ZERO CHANCE. Get over your hate for him or start hating Miller also.Merkin wrote:He's done it before after a successful season, and if the Gamecocks would have offered him a raise he would have been gone.PHXCATS wrote:This is not accurate at all. There is no chance RR is reaching out to other teams. PERIODMerkin wrote:COY won't bring the fans back into the stands.
I imagine RichRod's agent is quite busy making calls.CalStateTempe wrote:Sweet maybe he moves on
Still can't get over a (close, but) correct call that you imagine was blown in a game we lost by 2 scores?PHXCATS wrote:1) UA was dominating the game before TAte left. And still may have won without a blown call by the refs.
2) The recruiting, play calling, qb and defense are all improving
RR deserves one more go. Has to win 9 or maybe 8 games or see ya
I do wonder though if Heeke's comments or lack there of mean something is on the line for the bowl though
Dude, Honestly is there anything you have actual knowledge of and streets smarts about? Like maybe how to play the tuba?PHXCATS wrote:Facts. Good coaches both head coaches and assistants require money. Coaches and players do not want to coach and play in front of empty seats. Fans in the stands solves both of those.ChooChooCat wrote:It's the department's job to make me (and any prospective customer) want to spend money on the product they put out on that field, you do understand that right? The department cares very much what any prospective customer has to say, especially when they're falling 15,000 short to filling the stadium every week, hence why I've stated numerous times if attendance continues to suffer then Heeke's hands are tied.PHXCATS wrote:That is fine and I get it but realize if you fall in this camp you hurt UA's chances of getting the best coach possible in many ways and the department wont care about what you have to say.ChooChooCat wrote:Ummm people go to the games if they feel it's worth their time and investment. A lameduck coach is not worth a non-hardcore fan's time and investment. This is pretty damn universal and not rocket science. Hell I know RR lost a lot of hardcore fans (of the ones he had left) after the ASU debacle how do you think the non-hardcore fans view this regime? Whatever focus group you were in were obviously focused on every thing outside of producing a non-mediocre product, which is fine considering it's up to the AD to ensure that occurs and not a focus group who can only provide quality input on gameday festivities.UALoco wrote:Who attends the game because the coach? Stupidest thing I've heard. People attend games to see meaningful wins. Arizona was 3-1 this year at home in pac12 play. And the 1 loss was by by 6 points, one possession.
I'm an alumni, a whole bunch of my friends are UA alumni, many of my co-workers are alumni. I am known to talk about Arizona football incessantly. I was in a focus group to help address attendance and we met at least 6 times and talked for hours about attendance issues. This is the only place I heard that attendance was lacking because of RR. I am starting to think that ASU has hacked this board and has stupid bots posting some of this RR hate garbage. I get being critical, but jeez, I'm over the haters.
Oh and players as well.
Why do you think Sean Miller has been given the lee way that he has been given by the AD during the current mess we're in? He wins and his program puts butts in the seats. RR doesn't win in games that people care about (conference games and ASU games) and he doesn't put butts in seats.
I can't stand the sanctimonious "our fans suck and it's their fault" line of thought. Arizona has the highest attendance in basketball, baseball, and softball in this conference. Quit blaming the fans for football. Sure they could be better, but it's not ALL their fault always.
You make a point about the game day experience with prospective fans but no ad is gonna listen to people who don't contribute to the program about the coaches. Why would they listen to someone who won't help them out? Now if you and the haters made contributions and bought tickets contingent on firing RR then maybe.
Bravo sircatgrad97 wrote:Don't worry, Harvey, he's posting on the Net Neutrality thread and showing how naive he is about politics as well.
Not that the consistency is much of a surprise. You just wouldn't actually want to BE, say, on the Titanic with someone who has to wait until it's sunk under the Atlantic to figure out if it hit an iceberg or not.
This is how Arizona football always finds ways to hold itself back. Our fanbase has elements that allows it to retard itself. Good is not good fast enough, and bad is somehow a good performance, worthy of infinite patience.
(Don't get all offended, I'm using the dictionary root of retardant. I wouldn't want to insult the truly developmentally disabled by confusing their often-amazing utilization of their limited gifts with the empty-headed optimism of the remaining rah-rahs in Rich Rod's corner. Keep aiming low, fellas...you'll never cease to hit your mark.)
Perfectly statedramcat wrote:Don't think many would want anything to do with what ASU is doing, and Herm Edwards. Most of my ASU friends think it was a mistake to fire Graham, and wish the AD was gone instead.
If Tate and the team hadn't had the run they had, RR certainly would have been shown the door but think it's very short sided not to have seen substantial improvement from last year. With return of Friekh, I think their offense could be as good as this year, if not better and defense should improve.
Short of 9 wins and a win against ASU, RR will likely be gone as expectations will rightfully be much higher than this year. JMHO.
