Arizona Coaching Search

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:42 pm

Bama's playcalling is abysmal. I know they win with defense but it's all screens and runs. I recall more deep throws with AJ McCarron. Imagine how good they would be with Tate.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:44 pm

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:47 pm

Who the hell is Neal Brown? Troy head coach? Can be recruit?

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:47 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote:

I hope not. Seems like no one wants the job or we are low-balling everyone.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:52 pm

Terrible hire

Maybe the buyout will be to much lol

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 107748926/" target="_blank

$3 million

Maybe this is part of negotiations to get sumlin lower. Keep leaking. Flying around. Never know.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:00 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:Who the hell is Neal Brown? Troy head coach? Can be recruit?

Ben Lindsey

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:15 pm

Gilbertcat wrote:Terrible hire

Maybe the buyout will be to much lol

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 107748926/" target="_blank

$3 million

Maybe this is part of negotiations to get sumlin lower. Keep leaking. Flying around. Never know.

Hard to imagine, they'd spend $3 million on a buyout for this guy.
Definitely, has some decent success where's he's been.
Runs the "Nascar Spread" Lol!! Back to the line within 8 seconds.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:28 pm

Fact: Miles had better recruiting classes (EVERY Year) in the SEC than the younger Sumlin. So much for youth.

Fact: Sumlins average National Defensive Ranking at A&M (with much better recruiting than RRod) was 82nd nationally.......RRod Clone

Fact: At LSU, where you fall out of bed and land a 5 star local kid. Good luck with that at Arizona.

Fact: Exactly what you wrote

Let's agree to pass on both shall we?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:30 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:Who the hell is Neal Brown? Troy head coach? Can be recruit?

*Shrugs*

He can coach though. Hopefully he wouldn't be dumb enough to hire an entire south or East coast staff like some other worthless numbnut whl coached here.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:31 pm

UALoco wrote:Watching NC ESPN Coach's Film Room, Sumlin is awfully quiet like his mind is on something else. David Cutcliffe is outclassing the rest.

Quiet?? Sumlin comes across as a lawn ornament.

The Duke coach is the sharpest tool in that room. Has Heeke contacted him?

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:33 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:

Fact: Miles had better recruiting classes (EVERY Year) in the SEC than the younger Sumlin. So much for youth.

Fact: Sumlins average National Defensive Ranking at A&M (with much better recruiting than RRod) was 82nd nationally.......RRod Clone
Fact: At LSU, where you fall out of bed and land a 5 star local kid. Good luck with that at Arizona.

Fact: Exactly what you wrote

Let's agree to pass on both shall we?

You can make the same analogy regarding A&M and 5 star recruits.

If you want to not hire a retread, thats your opinion, just don't sit there and post that Miles is a RRod clone when ALL of the
objective data and FACTS say that Sumlin is the clone.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:34 pm

No chance we drop $3 million on a buyout for Neal Brown..... Do we? Ugh.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:52 pm

Why would Neal Brown interview be leaked when others are not? It just feels like the AD is trying to show interest and driving down the price of other coaches.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:53 pm

btfd16 wrote:No chance we drop $3 million on a buyout for Neal Brown..... Do we? Ugh.

If it’s going to be a search, you gotta talk to a lot of people.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:54 pm

dmjcat wrote:
UALoco wrote:Watching NC ESPN Coach's Film Room, Sumlin is awfully quiet like his mind is on something else. David Cutcliffe is outclassing the rest.
Quiet?? Sumlin comes across as a lawn ornament.

The Duke coach is the sharpest tool in that room. Has Heeke contacted him?

Cutcliffe turned down the Tenn job, he's very smart.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:54 pm

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:58 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote:

Baldwin and Brown did interview.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:00 pm

Not denying Brown is a good coach, but has he ever been this side of Texas? Would rather have Walters

Edub3 · Post by **Edub3** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:39 pm

Just watched the Neal Brown presser after Troy beat LSU. Took all of 7 seconds to realize this guy has 1,000X the personality RR has. The number of times I face-palmed while listening to RR try to put together a coherent sentence...

Admittedly I had never heard of this guy before today. But if Brown can add west coast recruiters, that combo could work. The guy has the look of a coach in-control.

Warming to the idea of hiring a lesser "name" coach if the pieces fit together.

Keep Yates for continuity.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:58 pm

pc in NM wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Who the hell is Neal Brown? Troy head coach? Can be recruit?

Ben Lindsey

Troy beat LSU!!!!

Did GCC play any Div I teams in those days?

I was a sophomore when Lindsey was hired. Quite an interesting mess with Snowden when I was a freshman, Then Lute came on when I was a junior.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:59 pm

Brown reportedly has a $3 million buyout. I'm not sure Heeke would survive if he paid that for him regardless how good of a coach he ends up being.

Macho Grande · Post by **Macho Grande** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:34 pm

Had no idea who the hell Beau Baldwin was before all this, but I actually did google Neal Brown to research him a bit after Troy upset LSU on LSU's homecoming night. I was thoroughly convinced at that point that there was no way RR would survive another season, and was curious to see of Brown might be someone Heeke might target. Of course about a week later, Tate burst onto the scene and made me forget all about a potential coaching search for a while. Forgot all about him until now again.

Macho Grande · Post by **Macho Grande** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:52 pm

Go ahead and try to tell me that Gundy didn't have Georgia big on the moneyline.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:55 pm

No matter who it is, don't think we can judge the coach on next year. With that schedule and returning unit, any competent coach can win 9 games.

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:52 am

btfd16 wrote:No matter who it is, don't think we can judge the coach on next year. With that schedule and returning unit, any competent coach can win 9 games.

Um, huh? So many problems with this.

First: new coach, new system can be quite disruptive in the win column despite how competent he is. Especially with RR's funky lightweight personnel.
Second: even with bunnies for the OOC, 6 wins in the PAC is never a gimmie. BYU/Houston are not bunnies, by the way.
Third: our 'returning unit' is weak as shit outside of Tate - and the new coach might not even be able to leverage him the way RR did.
Fourth: you are saying we shouldn't judge the new coach and then set a mendoza line of 9 wins. That is nothing short of insanity.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:20 am

I’m just preparing for the inevitable “oh my god Neal Brown/BB are incredible coaches look what they did” and then if they lose “well they did it with RR players”

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:34 am

btfd16 wrote:I’m just preparing for the inevitable “oh my god Neal Brown/BB are incredible coaches look what they did” and then if they lose “well they did it with RR players”

Welcome to my world.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:31 am

Yeah any universe in which you see us winning 9 games next year with any coach is insanity.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:32 am

Yeah I said it incorrectly and already addressed what I meant.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:33 am

threenumberones wrote:
btfd16 wrote:No matter who it is, don't think we can judge the coach on next year. With that schedule and returning unit, any competent coach can win 9 games.
Um, huh? So many problems with this.

First: new coach, new system can be quite disruptive in the win column despite how competent he is. Especially with RR's funky lightweight personnel.
Second: even with bunnies for the OOC, 6 wins in the PAC is never a gimmie. BYU/Houston are not bunnies, by the way.
Third: our 'returning unit' is weak as shit outside of Tate - and the new coach might not even be able to leverage him the way RR did.
Fourth: you are saying we shouldn't judge the new coach and then set a mendoza line of 9 wins. That is nothing short of insanity.

I don't think there should be any imaginary cutoff for wins. That would have been true for me with RR and should be true for any new coach.

That said, other people were pushing a cutoff number for RR if he returned. I also don't get why anyone would think fewer than 8 wins would be acceptable for a new coach but would have been unacceptable for RR.

It either has to go one way or another. Either you evaluate as it happens or you pre-set a standard.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:42 am

I am curious of how much truth there is to the Neal Brown stuff, or if he was just a "top candidate" because the DHR firm thought so and Heeke was doing his due diligence.

HaCats · Post by **HaCats** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:51 am

I've had those same thoughts. If you're going to spend the money on a search firm, it makes sense that you're going to vet the options that are out there. Ray Anderson got killed, and deservedly so......for having tunnel vision and not even interviewing other candidates. Though this waiting game is killing me, I'm glad that we are looking at multiple options.

Now hurry up and hire Sumlin already now would you Heeke.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:55 am

btfd16 wrote:I am curious of how much truth there is to the Neal Brown stuff, or if he was just a "top candidate" because the DHR firm thought so and Heeke was doing his due diligence.

He's coming in low. Forcing the other candidates to go and stay low. Which means Arizona is offering crap. No staff money.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:03 am

Which makes the idea of paying $3 million buyout ludicrous. That would pay for both an offensive and defensive coordinator.

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:05 am

I heard Troy Calhoun from a buddy in Phoenix.

Marking it down here just in case . . .

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:10 am

I'm on board with a Neal Brown hire.

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:15 am

ramcat wrote:Which makes the idea of paying $3 million buyout ludicrous. That would pay for both an offensive and defensive coordinator.

I'm with you. I believe $3M is pretty close to what we pay for all of our assistants combined.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:17 am

Anyone with an idea on buyouts for some of the coordinators mentioned, such as Baldwin? If any?

I'd take Baldwin well ahead of Neal Brown. Don't want any part of the "Nascar Spread". Defense needs some rest! Recruiting questions with little to no exposure to west coast, save lubbock briefly.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:18 am

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:19 am

Can Uncle Arte please answer the phone.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:19 am

RondaeShimmy wrote:

Attendance matters

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:25 am

yep. win games and people show up. lose games with badly recruited players and an old scheme that is easy to figure out and also be a turd of a human...people don't show up. amazing!

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:26 am

"Dace"? Is that his new street name?

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:33 am

At this point, I need the Swag Copter.

If I was an East Coast team, I'd be ecstatic to take Neal Brown. Not here.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:35 am

Lets organize a bake sale for Sumlin's Assistants' money.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:38 am

Gilbertcat wrote:Lets organize a bake sale for Sumlin's Assistants' money.

Anyone got any Bitcoin they forgot about 10 years ago?

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:50 am

Maybe Heeke is leaking info on candidates like Brown to get boosters to say "Hell no" and throw out some more money.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:04 am

RondaeShimmy wrote:

Charlie Strong? I'd like Strong, but that's out of the clear blue sky.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:06 am

Gilbertcat wrote:Lets organize a bake sale for Sumlin's Assistants' money.

I wonder how short they assistant pool is from what Sumlin needs. I know boosters big and small are offering more for Sumlin and his assistants, just dont know how much is needed

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:51 am

Fuck it. Bring on Neal Brown.

Total defense: 24) Troy 4.78 yards per play / 336.6 yards per game
Total Offense: 51) Troy 6.17 yards per play / 413.5 yards per game

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