Coach Sumlin

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:10 am

RR did not have a lot to work with after Stoops. He then made the most of it early. He seemed to try and go after the top end talent early on but seemed to miss on most of them. After the Fiesta, the recruiting seemed to be terrible. He left a lot of pieces but depth wasn't one of them. Some great starters moving forward but if one gets injured, it could derail everything. Depth is what gets you wins. If Tate never played this year, dont think a bowl would have been in the picture. Really not sure what other games would have been won since a few wins were close. Hopefully Sumlin can improve in this area. It may only net a win but it will be less devastating if all areas have atleast a backup who wont create big drop offs. Navy coach seemed like an ok hire but moving to that system wouldnt solve the recruiting issues that have been going on.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:32 am

Gilbertcat wrote:RR did not have a lot to work with after Stoops.

Stoops recruited better than RR, RR came in and won with Stoops players. RR wasn't very good after Stoops players left and it was mostly RRs players.

Stoops definitely had more NFL talent come through here, Stoops recruited ok enough, he just wasn't a good HC and most importantly Mackovic left the program on it's death bed.

Here's the 247 composite recruiting rankings:

Stoops: 2004 (41), 2005 (23), 2006 (19), 2007 (59), 2008 (27), 2009 (50), 2010 (58), 2011 (48), 2012 (48)

Rodriguez: 2012 (48), 2013 (44), 2014 (31), 2015 (43), 2016 (48), 2017 (45), 2018 (56)

Here's NFL players DRAFTED:

Stoops: 2006 (1), 2007 (4), 2008 (3), 2009 (2), 2010 (2), 2011 (3), 2012 (3), 2014 (3 we're Stoops recruits playing for RR)

Rodriguez: 2016 (2)

RR sucked at getting talent here, having slow and small guys out there is all the eyeball test you need

I always thought RR wanted to come in and win instantly and use that as a way to get a better job in 2-3. So he slacked and didn't care about recruiting, because what's the point if you're gone in a couple years.

He then tried to sell this as OKGs, which was just whatever kids wanted to come play Division 1 football instead of lower division football. Wasn't until lately he found out he wasn't getting a better job and tried bringing in Yates, others to improve recruiting

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:37 am

I just remember the 12 scholarship issue for the defense as the reason I said he didnt have a lot to work with. Stoops had the better classes until he stopped caring the last few years. Dont disagree at all the Stoops had the better classes at the start of his career here but not at the end.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:37 am

Can we stop with the won with so and so's players Jeff Fisher? The Fiesta Bowl year was Anu at QB, Nick Wilson RB and Cayleb Jones, Samajie, Nate, Trey at WR. It's getting old as shit. Did he recruit as well as Stoops? Hell no. Not even close. Leave it at that. God that argument is annoying.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:38 am

RondaeShimmy wrote:
Gilbertcat wrote:RR did not have a lot to work with after Stoops.
Stoops recruited better than RR, RR came in and won with Stoops players. RR wasn't very good after Stoops players left and it was mostly RRs players.

Stoops definitely had more NFL talent come through here, Stoops recruited ok enough, he just wasn't a good HC and most importantly Mackovic left the program on it's death bed.

Here's the 247 composite recruiting rankings:

Stoops: 2004 (41), 2005 (23), 2006 (19), 2007 (59), 2008 (27), 2009 (50), 2010 (58), 2011 (48), 2012 (48)

Rodriguez: 2012 (48), 2013 (44), 2014 (31), 2015 (43), 2016 (48), 2017 (45), 2018 (56)

Here's NFL players DRAFTED:

Stoops: 2006 (1), 2007 (4), 2008 (3), 2009 (2), 2010 (2), 2011 (3), 2012 (3), 2014 (3 we're Stoops recruits playing for RR)

Rodriguez: 2016 (2)

RR sucked at getting talent here, having slow and small guys out there is all the eyeball test you need

I always thought RR wanted to come in and win instantly and use that as a way to get a better job in 2-3. So he slacked and didn't care about recruiting, because what's the point if you're gone in a couple years.

He then tried to sell this as OKGs, which was just whatever kids wanted to come play Division 1 football instead of lower division football. Wasn't until lately he found out he wasn't getting a better job and tried bringing in Yates, others to improve recruiting

That's a startlingly close race between Stoops's last 6 classes (counting 2012 for Stoops) and RR. Lots of 40-50 with a single class around 30 mixed in.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:53 am

Link for the Presser:

http://pac-12.com/live/university-arizona" target="_blank

Also they have a little give away for free season tickets:

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/2 ... o-Win.aspx" target="_blank

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:54 am

Freaking steal.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:55 am

btfd16 wrote:
Freaking steal.

More details.

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:59 am

Man, looks like he gave us a good deal. Save money initially why we recover from paying RichRod.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:11 am

$2.9 per? lol what a steal

Although I think a lot of $$$ is going to assistant and recruiting tools

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:11 am

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:15 am

Heeke says Sumlin is the only one the job was offered to.

lol Scheer

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:16 am

RondaeShimmy wrote:Heeke says Sumlin is the only one the job was offered to.

lol Scheer

LOVED that.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:17 am

I wonder what other commitments Robbins and Heeke made in terms of facilities and other programs.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:20 am

btfd16 wrote:
RondaeShimmy wrote:Heeke says Sumlin is the only one the job was offered to.

lol Scheer
LOVED that.

Nobody in the media acknowledged that quote other than AZ Desert Swarm..... Awkward.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:23 am

DrWildcat wrote:Man, looks like he gave us a good deal. Save money initially why we recover from paying RichRod.

His A&M buyout probably helped defray cost quite a bit. They did us a solid with making money much less of an issue for us.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:27 am

btfd16 wrote:
btfd16 wrote:
RondaeShimmy wrote:Heeke says Sumlin is the only one the job was offered to.

lol Scheer
LOVED that.
Nobody in the media acknowledged that quote other than AZ Desert Swarm..... Awkward.

It’s also likely total bullshit. Which brings up the question of whether any media members SHOULD acknowledge it.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:32 am

Chicat wrote:
btfd16 wrote:
btfd16 wrote:
RondaeShimmy wrote:Heeke says Sumlin is the only one the job was offered to.

lol Scheer
LOVED that.
Nobody in the media acknowledged that quote other than AZ Desert Swarm..... Awkward.
It’s also likely total bullshit. Which brings up the question of whether any media members SHOULD acknowledge it.

From people I have talked to, it is not bullshit. May have told Ken N to mull things over, but during that whole bonanza, we were still only working with Kevin. They said they talked late into Saturday night and that was in the heart of the Ken N freak out.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:34 am

btfd16 wrote:
btfd16 wrote:
RondaeShimmy wrote:Heeke says Sumlin is the only one the job was offered to.

lol Scheer
LOVED that.
Nobody in the media acknowledged that quote other than AZ Desert Swarm..... Awkward.

It was maybe a word play by Heeke.

As Wolken said, nobody gets offered a job in college sports until they officially take it.

But I do think Scheer was used and what Scheer thinks happened and what Heeke thinks happened are way different

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:37 am

Bargain, thanks a lot aTm!!!!

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:39 am

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:41 am

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azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:54 am

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:55 am

This is awesome. I am liking everything from Sumlin.no used car sales man feel. Hitting all the right notes. Awesome.

Maldonado · Post by **Maldonado** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:59 am

SCCats wrote:
azgreg wrote:

Like what I hear from Coach Sumlin, Bear Down!

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:02 am

Loved the presser.

Just wonder why Kevin's agent didn't speak

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:03 am

Can't wait until after year 3 when he gets a say in the new jerseys... Last two were awful...

prh · Post by **prh** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:08 am

btfd16 wrote:
btfd16 wrote:
Freaking steal.

More details.

I assume "mitigation requirement" for buyout is the offset language? Glad we learned from aTm's mistake and included that.

If we had to push the boosters for money, and that's his deal, I'm excited to find out what we'll spend on assistants and other improvements.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:14 am

btfd16 wrote:Can't wait until after year 3 when he gets a say in the new jerseys... Last two were awful...

Do we really have to wait that long? How about changing the regular red helmet into a silver one and making the white one more of a pearl white? I think those are up to us and not Nike at least.

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:15 am

Enjoyed the presser. It wasn't just full of a bunch of generic coach speak. Sumlin comes off as very believable.

jimson · Post by **jimson** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:15 am

Merkin wrote:

Happy to see the acknowledgement and hope he follows through with connecting to former players.
That was sorely lacking under RR.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:19 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
btfd16 wrote:Can't wait until after year 3 when he gets a say in the new jerseys... Last two were awful...
Do we really have to wait that long? How about changing the regular red helmet into a silver one and making the white one more of a pearl white? I think those are up to us and not Nike at least.

Our contract with Nike for jerseys is every 4 years. Helmets can be changed.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:36 am

btfd16 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
btfd16 wrote:Can't wait until after year 3 when he gets a say in the new jerseys... Last two were awful...
Do we really have to wait that long? How about changing the regular red helmet into a silver one and making the white one more of a pearl white? I think those are up to us and not Nike at least.
Our contract with Nike for jerseys is every 4 years. Helmets can be changed.

Is our basketball contract with Nike different? We had the most perfect uniforms for a total of 2 seasons and then switched to our current BLAH kit.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:37 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
btfd16 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
btfd16 wrote:Can't wait until after year 3 when he gets a say in the new jerseys... Last two were awful...
Do we really have to wait that long? How about changing the regular red helmet into a silver one and making the white one more of a pearl white? I think those are up to us and not Nike at least.
Our contract with Nike for jerseys is every 4 years. Helmets can be changed.
Is our basketball contract with Nike different? We had the most perfect uniforms for a total of 2 seasons and then switched to our current BLAH kit.

Not sure about basketball, but I am sure they get more preferential treatment.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:37 am

btfd16 wrote:Can't wait until after year 3 when he gets a say in the new jerseys... Last two were awful...

I don't know. Texas A&M had some rough ones under Sumlin, like the one that was supposed to glow under night game lights that they wore for a noon game.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:38 am

This response made me laugh... He does know that Sumlin has only made 3 hires right?

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:39 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
btfd16 wrote:Can't wait until after year 3 when he gets a say in the new jerseys... Last two were awful...
I don't know. Texas A&M had some rough ones under Sumlin, like the one that was supposed to glow under night game lights that they wore for a noon game.

A premier Adidas football school vs Nike though. We will see!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:40 am

Welp, they won the press conference.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:41 am

btfd16 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
btfd16 wrote:Can't wait until after year 3 when he gets a say in the new jerseys... Last two were awful...
I don't know. Texas A&M had some rough ones under Sumlin, like the one that was supposed to glow under night game lights that they wore for a noon game.
A premier Adidas football school vs Nike though. We will see!

I'm very curious how much of Sumlin's salary Nike is paying.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:44 am

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:51 am

azgreg wrote:

For what it's worth, regardless of who was coming in, supporting Arizona's new coach as he goes to work is always the big thing. I'm hoping Sumlin delivers in every way.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:55 am

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btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:07 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN-e2wR8GQ8" target="_blank

Not sure if this was posted, but I just saw it for the first time. A couple of SEC guys discussing the hire.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:08 pm

Who are the coaches Sumlin has hired to date?

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:14 pm

whatisee wrote:Who are the coaches Sumlin has hired to date?

Not 100% hired but...

prh · Post by **prh** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:15 pm

btfd16 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN-e2wR8GQ8

Not sure if this was posted, but I just saw it for the first time. A couple of SEC guys discussing the hire.

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