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No joke. Daggers shooting into the television.Main Event wrote:You have no idea how many murderous thoughts went through my mind the moment he shot that 3 before it went in.
Main Event wrote:You have no idea how many murderous thoughts went through my mind the moment he shot that 3 before it went in.
you can't say "I don't give a rat's ass about how bad the refs were today" and then wonder how we win only by 1.ChooChooCat wrote:This team has 1 month to figure its shit out. Blowing double digit leads at home in consecutive games when you hold the talent advantage by a considerable amount is not acceptable. I don't give a rat's ass about how bad the refs were today. We shot over 60% from the field, were 10/16 from 3, and we only win by 1?
We had the edge at the line against Colorado by a considerable amount and it was the same story sans the final point margin. Every single game it's the same thing. Build a considerable double digit lead early in the game, lose that lead in one fell swoop, likely fall behind a possession or two, come back, and then it's a barn burner for the rest of the game. These were two home games against two non-tourney teams. Utah is 66th on Kenpom and Colorado is 111th ffs.PieceOfMeat wrote:you can't say "I don't give a rat's ass about how bad the refs were today" and then wonder how we win only by 1.ChooChooCat wrote:This team has 1 month to figure its shit out. Blowing double digit leads at home in consecutive games when you hold the talent advantage by a considerable amount is not acceptable. I don't give a rat's ass about how bad the refs were today. We shot over 60% from the field, were 10/16 from 3, and we only win by 1?
Consequences...like a raise?TatetheGreat wrote:We outplayed Utah and barely won because of the refs. We came out on fire and had some lapses but basically dominated this game. The refs halted our momentum and honestly looked like they came in with an agenda. The tape needs to be reviewed and this crew needs to face consequences.
Pretty much Miller's exact reactionMain Event wrote:You have no idea how many murderous thoughts went through my mind the moment he shot that 3 before it went in.
Dunno, but with 17 seconds left in the possession and Ayton fronted out of the roll with no one cutting or moving he probably wanted a reset, rescreen and post entry attempt.BBQ wildcat wrote:Did he really want Trier to dribble around, then throw up something, while leaning into the defender, hoping to draw a foul? He never gets that call, and certainly would not have today.
Dude is killing it on that end.EOCT wrote:Today. !
Akot: You're a fucking GLOVE, man!
You're letting your frustration with a pattern you're seeing affect your perception of this one individual game.ChooChooCat wrote:We had the edge at the line against Colorado by a considerable amount and it was the same story sans the final point margin. Every single game it's the same thing. Build a considerable double digit lead early in the game, lose that lead in one fell swoop, likely fall behind a possession or two, come back, and then it's a barn burner for the rest of the game. These were two home games against two non-tourney teams. Utah is 66th on Kenpom and Colorado is 111th ffs.PieceOfMeat wrote:you can't say "I don't give a rat's ass about how bad the refs were today" and then wonder how we win only by 1.ChooChooCat wrote:This team has 1 month to figure its shit out. Blowing double digit leads at home in consecutive games when you hold the talent advantage by a considerable amount is not acceptable. I don't give a rat's ass about how bad the refs were today. We shot over 60% from the field, were 10/16 from 3, and we only win by 1?
I know the pump sunshine into our asses club is going to say yeah, but we win these games. Good, great, grand. We haven't played a NCAA tourney team since 9 games ago and that team has been exposed for being what they really are and may limp into the tourney at best due to early season wins. So it's been the same story against marginal competition over and over and over again, which includes 2 home games in a row with almost identical scripts.
That is exactly what I was thinking. They ALMOST earned themselves a vacation in Cancun.SCCats wrote:Consequences...like a raise?TatetheGreat wrote:We outplayed Utah and barely won because of the refs. We came out on fire and had some lapses but basically dominated this game. The refs halted our momentum and honestly looked like they came in with an agenda. The tape needs to be reviewed and this crew needs to face consequences.
Perhaps a trip to Cancun?
You whine as if 20 point wins make you feel any better. Immediately after a game the Eeyore crew run to Kenpom see what happenend and look to the sky for lightning about to strike us dead in March. It’s fucking pathetic. Throw our anything you just saw be it bad officiating or a star player sitting out and LOOK AT THE STATS. ARIZONA IS DOOMED.ChooChooCat wrote:We had the edge at the line against Colorado by a considerable amount and it was the same story sans the final point margin. Every single game it's the same thing. Build a considerable double digit lead early in the game, lose that lead in one fell swoop, likely fall behind a possession or two, come back, and then it's a barn burner for the rest of the game. These were two home games against two non-tourney teams. Utah is 66th on Kenpom and Colorado is 111th ffs.PieceOfMeat wrote:you can't say "I don't give a rat's ass about how bad the refs were today" and then wonder how we win only by 1.ChooChooCat wrote:This team has 1 month to figure its shit out. Blowing double digit leads at home in consecutive games when you hold the talent advantage by a considerable amount is not acceptable. I don't give a rat's ass about how bad the refs were today. We shot over 60% from the field, were 10/16 from 3, and we only win by 1?
I know the pump sunshine into our asses club is going to say yeah, but we win these games. Good, great, grand. We haven't played a NCAA tourney team since 9 games ago and that team has been exposed for being what they really are and may limp into the tourney at best due to early season wins. So it's been the same story against marginal competition over and over and over again, which includes 2 home games in a row with almost identical scripts.
Try to enjoy the ride. We're 18-4 and 8-1. Few teams have it so good. Yes, we have flaws. But so do so many other teams.scumdevils86 wrote:Or you could look at how many final 4s we've had since I was 15 years old (I'll be 32 by March) and be rightfully concerned that we won't get there again...
No, not bad. Stupid and spoiled.Puerco wrote:Oh hey look. ODogg took a short break from his Twitter rants to come tell us we’re bad fans. What a surprise.
High expectations going into the season set the table for how fans react. That along with the fact that Arizona is going to suffer down years for an unforeseen amount of time, so this literally is seen as a last chance season for many and quite frankly rightfully so as the future is as foggy as a San Diego morning. People including myself will naturally be more supercritical of what they see, especially when it's a pattern that has ensued over the past 9 games whether the refs have been an issue or not.Olsondogg wrote:No, not bad. Stupid and spoiled.Puerco wrote:Oh hey look. ODogg took a short break from his Twitter rants to come tell us we’re bad fans. What a surprise.
NYCat wrote:
Oregon:
Kenpom: #14 • Sargarin: #12 • BPI: #13 | RPI: #6 • Predictive rankings: #13 (18.3)
UCLA:
Kenpom: #18 • Sargarin #15 • BPi: #12 • RPI: #18 • Predictive rankings: #12 (18.6)
Arizona:
Kenpom #21 • Sargarin: #20 • BPI: #22 • RPi: #10 • Predictive rankings: #21 (15.6)
Excellent post all around NYCat, except "beating on" the Pac-12 is certainly subjective based on how we are actually winning these games.NYCat wrote:
I know it's weird to say that a team isn't very good despite being top ranked and winning games and winning the conference, but yeah team isn't very good again. This is unlike the 2014 & 2015 teams that were highly ranked in the media poll and in analytical rankings. My guess is Arizona is beating on what has been the worst major conference besides the AAC and the stats doesn't think it's impressive. We're like a really good mid major team at this point.
Think we're going in the same direction as last year, almost exactly the same except Oregon/UCLA aren't there.
Comparison is the thief of joy. Of course everyone would like a final four. We've had some extraordinary bad luck. We were Final Four quality two years in a row. Grant Jerrett's early departure, Ashley's foot injury and a horrific offensive foul call derailed a sure fire Final Four team and possible National Title winner. A year later, it took a 10-12 second half 3 Pt. FT performance.scumdevils86 wrote:How many final 4s and championships have Kansas, Duke and Kentucky had since 2002...
Great post, zg. I don't take for granted where Miller has us, and where he's kept us. 4 Pac titles in his first 8 seasons, and he's on pace for number 5. That's Olsonesque.zonagrad wrote:I'm impressed that despite early departures (all but Gordon, Rondae & Markannen were justified) that Miller has Arizona in the conversation. Arizona fans take this stuff for granted. Dana Altman's comments a few weeks back explains how the rest of the conference views Arizona. He said everyone is chasing our program and has been since he joined the Pac. That's despite Oregon having two incredible seasons. They've taken a giant step back and will likely miss the tourney. That doesn't happen at Arizona. Even in our roughest years (2016) we still overachieve.
Not an insider, but I assume defense is heavily featured, as is lack of reliable depth.btfd16 wrote:Anyone with insider that can provide info on "why Arizona is vulnerable"? Thought I had it and it expired last month.
Yeah: no surprise, it's the defense. The lack of trustworthy depth as well as the corresponding inconsistent rotations should have been highlighted as well.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Not an insider, but I assume defense is heavily featured, as is lack of reliable depth.btfd16 wrote:Anyone with insider that can provide info on "why Arizona is vulnerable"? Thought I had it and it expired last month.
A lot comes down to personnel. You can run any defense in the known universe and look like a genius when you have guys like TJ, NJ, RHJ, SJ and AG running around. FWIW, I've always thought one issue was that Ray Smith and Justin Simon were our two replacements for the spidery wing that Miller has used so effectively. Those two and Terrance Ferguson were our three best defensive potential level recruits since 14-15 until you get to Ayton's freakish potential.YoDeFoe wrote:Noticed he said "conference defense" where I cite total season defense. Looking at conference only... it's the same story. Below are AdjD numbers (lower is better, anything below 100 is good):
95, 98, 91, 87, 101, 100, 104
No trend. Just "usually pretty good, two years of greatness, oddly bad this year."
Given that proper analysis you get to "why is this year different" which brings you to the above "it's the players, stupid."
Wow... you are quite a student of College Hoops.PHXCATS wrote:Some quick thoughts.
With the way Miller has recruited and the performance of the team the last several years, it is very reasonable that final fours are the new goal and not meeting that goals is frustrating and disappointing. I have asked this before but how many regular season and conference tournaments have Kentucky, Michigan State, Duke, Kansas and North Carolina won? I dont think anyone knows off the top of their head. But we know how many NCAA titles and finals fours those programs have. Miller has put U of A with his performance and recruiting to the level at or just below those schools so the goals should be the same. I am done with regular season titles. They are nice for schools that dont have the history, resources and pedigree of Arizona Basketball.
Yesterday was probably the worst officiated game I have ever seen in person and one of the worst if not the worst I have ever seen period. That said, officiating was not the only reason that Arizona gain blew double digit leads. It might be okay for a weak PAC-12 this year but that wont cut it come March.
As for people who want to compare UA to other teams that make final fours but miss the tournament other years, I would trade our regular season records for the final fours in a second. I dont care what UCONN is doing right now, I would trade everything for what they have had since 1998.
I totally get the frustration of not having any FFs or more by CSM at this point. We were robbed by the horrendous offensive foul vs. Wiscy that should have been the first for CSM. However, barring the Wichita State 1sr round flameout, it’s nice to not have had to worry about these under CSM vs the Lute era. IMHO too much emphasis is placed on the NCAAs, but again, i badly want success there too.PHXCATS wrote:Some quick thoughts.
With the way Miller has recruited and the performance of the team the last several years, it is very reasonable that final fours are the new goal and not meeting that goals is frustrating and disappointing. I have asked this before but how many regular season and conference tournaments have Kentucky, Michigan State, Duke, Kansas and North Carolina won? I dont think anyone knows off the top of their head. But we know how many NCAA titles and finals fours those programs have. Miller has put U of A with his performance and recruiting to the level at or just below those schools so the goals should be the same. I am done with regular season titles. They are nice for schools that dont have the history, resources and pedigree of Arizona Basketball.
Yesterday was probably the worst officiated game I have ever seen in person and one of the worst if not the worst I have ever seen period. That said, officiating was not the only reason that Arizona gain blew double digit leads. It might be okay for a weak PAC-12 this year but that wont cut it come March.
As for people who want to compare UA to other teams that make final fours but miss the tournament other years, I would trade our regular season records for the final fours in a second. I dont care what UCONN is doing right now, I would trade everything for what they have had since 1998.
Any time I want to be Uconn, I watch one of their games for 15 minutes. Then I realize they suck ass and our program is much healthier and that you can't actually trade places in real life. If we tried to be Uconn, we might just get the sucky part.Bangkok Wildcat wrote:I totally get the frustration of not having any FFs or more by CSM at this point. We were robbed by the horrendous offensive foul vs. Wiscy that should have been the first for CSM. However, barring the Wichita State 1sr round flameout, it’s nice to not have had to worry about these under CSM vs the Lute era. IMHO too much emphasis is placed on the NCAAs, but again, i badly want success there too.PHXCATS wrote:Some quick thoughts.
With the way Miller has recruited and the performance of the team the last several years, it is very reasonable that final fours are the new goal and not meeting that goals is frustrating and disappointing. I have asked this before but how many regular season and conference tournaments have Kentucky, Michigan State, Duke, Kansas and North Carolina won? I dont think anyone knows off the top of their head. But we know how many NCAA titles and finals fours those programs have. Miller has put U of A with his performance and recruiting to the level at or just below those schools so the goals should be the same. I am done with regular season titles. They are nice for schools that dont have the history, resources and pedigree of Arizona Basketball.
Yesterday was probably the worst officiated game I have ever seen in person and one of the worst if not the worst I have ever seen period. That said, officiating was not the only reason that Arizona gain blew double digit leads. It might be okay for a weak PAC-12 this year but that wont cut it come March.
As for people who want to compare UA to other teams that make final fours but miss the tournament other years, I would trade our regular season records for the final fours in a second. I dont care what UCONN is doing right now, I would trade everything for what they have had since 1998.
Having said that, I enjoy each and every game I can find to watch and love the Year long battle for victories, prominence, and national recognition too. I absolutely want to win, and dominate, the P12 and win the P12 Tourney every year too!
But UCONN having 2 NCs and 1 FF since CSM has been here is very attractive for sure.
We can't get UConn's impressive past. We can get UConn's desultory future.PHXCATS wrote:4 titles since 1999
Enough said
Can Ira Lee even play basketball?Spaceman Spiff wrote:
For a blowout, PJC, Lee and Smith had pretty bleh stat lines. All in all, good send off to UW
To your point, when the score was 75-42 the game was at 48 possessions. Our raw Offenseive Efficiency was 1.57 PPP and the Defensive Efficiency was .88 PPP. Those are the kind of stats you want to see versus a basement dweller like Wazzu.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Our defense was much better than the final numbers showed. Most of the second half was garbage time. We were up 75-42 with 11:30 to go and gave up 30 points in the last 11:30
Could Fendi Onobun ever play basketball?Longhorned wrote:Can Ira Lee even play basketball?Spaceman Spiff wrote:
For a blowout, PJC, Lee and Smith had pretty bleh stat lines. All in all, good send off to UW
I realize he was scouted as a 4-star talent, and I've seen him do a couple of things with the ball in transition that I enjoyed seeing (though I see such things from in local pickup games, too). But even for freshman-level expectations, it's a matter of faith in what others claim to have seen. I'd trade him in an instant for a freshman Fendi Onobun, and that dude was more like a water buffalo than a basketball player.
Having seen Lee play in HS (on tape) he has potential. He seems to be trying to play at 100 mph all the time and it's hurting his ability. He made J's, FT's and finished in HS.Longhorned wrote:Can Ira Lee even play basketball?Spaceman Spiff wrote:
For a blowout, PJC, Lee and Smith had pretty bleh stat lines. All in all, good send off to UW
I realize he was scouted as a 4-star talent, and I've seen him do a couple of things with the ball in transition that I enjoyed seeing (though I see such things from in local pickup games, too). But even for freshman-level expectations, it's a matter of faith in what others claim to have seen. I'd trade him in an instant for a freshman Fendi Onobun, and that dude was more like a water buffalo than a basketball player.
not sure but he did get drafted into the NFLChooChooCat wrote: Could Fendi Onobun ever play basketball?
How many have Michigan State, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Georgetown, UCLA and....fuck, Florida? Had since this staff was assembled?scumdevils86 wrote:How many final 4s and championships have Kansas, Duke and Kentucky had since 2002...
