No elite PG wants to come in and play in his controlled set offense, even with bags of cash.Merkin wrote:Chief does have a point.
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The only issue now in "dumb crook" vs. "crook"Irish27 wrote:
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Trey is the most bitter gravy train-er there's ever been
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Well, Miller did let Pitts stay on the team and on the bench after what he did with Trey's sister, so I can see a little resentment.
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Times like these reveal your true friends. Anyone in media is not a true friend, even though they sucked up to Miller all this time
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STFUprh wrote:Trey is the most bitter gravy train-er there's ever been
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Literally all he does is trash the program. The situation was handled exactly how it should have been. Be upset at Pitts but Miller didn't do anything wrong there.pc in NM wrote:STFUprh wrote:Trey is the most bitter gravy train-er there's ever been
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Totally. Jay is being very duke about all of this.Bosy Billups wrote:Times like these reveal your true friends. Anyone in media is not a true friend, even though they sucked up to Miller all this time
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Be upset with Byrne as well Over the Pitts situation, dude misplaced his spine while glad handing anyone that would listen to him.
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I've been judge for never liking Bilas. that being said feels like my dogged died. hoping this is all bs nut didn't look goof for us.
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Oh we have so much to be upset at Byrne about I didn't even want to start down that road.CalStateTempe wrote:Be upset with Byrne as well Over the Pitts situation, dude misplaced his spine while glad handing anyone that would listen to him.
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Watching Seth Greenberg's response on ESPN disgusts me. How can he act shocked and disgusted that a player may have been paid at Arizona. This has obviously been going on in most top programs for years. Seth Greenberg was a coach. I am sure he knows the reality of NCAA basketball recruiting.
Don't tell me that Duke and Kentucky have been getting all those McDonald's All Americans without cheating.
Don't tell me that Duke and Kentucky have been getting all those McDonald's All Americans without cheating.
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To be fair, the GameDay crew essentially said that the only surprising thing is that Miller was dumb enough to be the point man. They didn't deny that this occurs throughout college sports. Not much to disagree with there.
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Maybe there's a reason he only made 3 tournaments in over 20 years of being a head coachOriginalAZ wrote:Watching Seth Greenberg's response on ESPN disgusts me. How can he act shocked and disgusted that a player may have been paid at Arizona. This has obviously been going on in most top programs for years. Seth Greenberg was a coach. I am sure he knows the reality of NCAA basketball recruiting.
Don't tell me that Duke and Kentucky have been getting all those McDonald's All Americans without cheating.
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I think his disgust is more because of the relationship he has with Miller.OriginalAZ wrote:Watching Seth Greenberg's response on ESPN disgusts me. How can he act shocked and disgusted that a player may have been paid at Arizona. This has obviously been going on in most top programs for years. Seth Greenberg was a coach. I am sure he knows the reality of NCAA basketball recruiting.
Don't tell me that Duke and Kentucky have been getting all those McDonald's All Americans without cheating.
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which unfortunately gives the NCAA a great opportunity to "fix" this problem (big money recruiting) by completely hammering Arizona to make an example out of them.DrWildcat wrote:To be fair, the GameDay crew essentially said that the only surprising thing is that Miller was dumb enough to be the point man. They didn't deny that this occurs throughout college sports. Not much to disagree with there.
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Anyone who thinks Sean Miller is exceptional in what he did, answer me this: why did he offer $100,000? Why not $5000?
Clearly, he’s competing. And you don’t compete against nobody.
Clearly, he’s competing. And you don’t compete against nobody.
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Maybe we got Ayton cheaper than the market rate. Maybe Miller should be praised.Longhorned wrote:Anyone who thinks Sean Miller is exceptional in what he did, answer me this: why did he offer $100,000? Why not $5000?
Clearly, he’s competing. And you don’t compete against nobody.
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There has to be a statement release soon right? Even if it's lawyers
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And why did we ever lose out on a recruit?Longhorned wrote:Anyone who thinks Sean Miller is exceptional in what he did, answer me this: why did he offer $100,000? Why not $5000?
Clearly, he’s competing. And you don’t compete against nobody.
However, Miller was caught and deserves to be punished for being stupid. I hope others are caught too because I'm bitter, but how many head coaches are this dumb?
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Who cares, there's no evidence so far. Miller/Arizona & Louisville/Pitino are on an island until something else concrete leaks. And will get the blunt punishment because of it.Longhorned wrote:Anyone who thinks Sean Miller is exceptional in what he did, answer me this: why did he offer $100,000? Why not $5000?
Clearly, he’s competing. And you don’t compete against nobody.
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Control freaks are.DrWildcat wrote:And why did we ever lose out on a recruit?Longhorned wrote:Anyone who thinks Sean Miller is exceptional in what he did, answer me this: why did he offer $100,000? Why not $5000?
Clearly, he’s competing. And you don’t compete against nobody.
However, Miller was caught and deserves to be punished for being stupid. I hope others are caught too because I'm bitter, but how many head coaches are this dumb?
Which would not be surprising wrt Miller.
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How much did pjc’s family get paid. Is that why he wasn’t over recruited? Because the family threatened to spill the beans?
I know crazy, but my mind is going crazy places.
I know crazy, but my mind is going crazy places.
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Completely agree. People seem to be not noticing that the vast majority of the allegations thus far relate to payments to players by agents.........not college head coaches. Maybe the other shoe will drop and Izzo/Rat Face/Self will be implicated but at the moment there is zero evidence of that.NYCat wrote:Who cares, there's no evidence so far. Miller/Arizona & Louisville/Pitino are on an island until something else concrete leaks. And will get the blunt punishment because of it.Longhorned wrote:Anyone who thinks Sean Miller is exceptional in what he did, answer me this: why did he offer $100,000? Why not $5000?
Clearly, he’s competing. And you don’t compete against nobody.
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Not to change the subject but what's the line on tonight's game? With all the uncertainty Vegas must be going crazy.
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You wait to the last minute for more info to possibly let Ayton playNYCat wrote:There has to be a statement release soon right? Even if it's lawyers
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Captain Obvious wrote:Not to change the subject but what's the line on tonight's game? With all the uncertainty Vegas must be going crazy.
If I was in Vegas, I would bet heavily on Oregon, and then the 'Cats would man up and win.
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ThisDrWildcat wrote:To be fair, the GameDay crew essentially said that the only surprising thing is that Miller was dumb enough to be the point man. They didn't deny that this occurs throughout college sports. Not much to disagree with there.
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A couple of years ago while I was showing my son UofA we walked by Jefferson and Miller was outside on his cell phone.
If I had known what was going to happen I would have tackled him right then and smashed his phone.
Fuck, fuck, fuck!!!
If I had known what was going to happen I would have tackled him right then and smashed his phone.
Fuck, fuck, fuck!!!
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People going crazy. You play on. Sit nobody. Refer back to statement from September. Fuck them all cause this shit is just beginning.
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So Bilas lives on a soapbox labeled “Pay The Players” but Sean Miller is a crook for talking about paying the players?
Okeydoke....
Okeydoke....
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If UA & Miller were cooperating with the FBI since last fall, wouldn't Heeke know about the recorded calls? And obviously Miller too. I suppose this could be a revelation, but it seems odd this didn't come out sooner. If this had leaked in September, then I can understand the shock. But Miller had to know this was coming. And if Heeke didn't know, he would've fired Miller immediately.
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Chicat wrote:So Bilas lives on a soapbox labeled “Pay The Players” but Sean Miller is a crook for talking about paying the players?
Okeydoke....
Coach K is clean. He said so.
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Miller had Pitts sitting on the bench next to Trey all season knowing exactly what had happened. I'm a Miller fan, but Trey has every reason in the world to hate Miller. And anyone who was in Trey's position would feel the same.prh wrote:Literally all he does is trash the program. The situation was handled exactly how it should have been. Be upset at Pitts but Miller didn't do anything wrong there.pc in NM wrote:STFUprh wrote:Trey is the most bitter gravy train-er there's ever been
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Bilas wants a free market. But the closest thing to that is the Black market. But Bilas hates the black market.
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Chicat wrote:So Bilas lives on a soapbox labeled “Pay The Players” but Sean Miller is a crook for talking about paying the players?
Okeydoke....
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Miller's house was raided, I'm not sure how the timeline lines upzonagrad wrote:If UA & Miller were cooperating with the FBI since last fall, wouldn't Heeke know about the recorded calls? And obviously Miller too. I suppose this could be a revelation, but it seems odd this didn't come out sooner. If this had leaked in September, then I can understand the shock. But Miller had to know this was coming. And if Heeke didn't know, he would've fired Miller immediately.
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Olsondogg wrote:People going crazy. You play on. Sit nobody. Refer back to statement from September. Fuck them all cause this shit is just beginning.
The one thing I worry about is the “institutional control”. I mean if we knew about everything and decided to say screw everyone and keep playing you really give he NCAA ammo to shit all over our program rather than us just cleaning house and taking a few years of probation and post season bans.
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Institution control would come into play 3-5 years in the future when the tapes are played in the trials, or released during pre trials or during discovery - then the NCAA getting them and using it against us. Huge risk. Way worse penalty for willingly doing nothing while knowing
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How, precisely, have Miami, UNC, Auburn, etc. displayed institutional control?jajoyce wrote:Olsondogg wrote:People going crazy. You play on. Sit nobody. Refer back to statement from September. Fuck them all cause this shit is just beginning.
The one thing I worry about is the “institutional control”. I mean if we knew about everything and decided to say screw everyone and keep playing you really give he NCAA ammo to shit all over our program rather than us just cleaning house and taking a few years of probation and post season bans.
Seems like it’s a term that only applies when the NCAA want to jack USC.
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If Miller is guilty and likely a pariah in the industry he could just come clean and say yes, you're damn right I paid players. And so did coaches x, y and Z. He could make no apologies and just go on the offensive at the hypocrisy of the NCAA. What is there to lose? No doubt Arizona has lost a few bidding wars. Miller could bring it all down if the FBI doesn't already.
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The more I think about this the less it looks likely that CSM or the university were in on it. The FBI already had Book. They could use him whenever they wanted to trap Dawkins. They would not need another actor to set up a sting on Dawkins. Remember, Book is not the big fish they were after. Dawkins, shoe companies, etc.. They would use Book, not Miller. Unless they already knew they could pressure Miller into cooperating, which would mean they had evidence that not only was he involved, but was also taking kick backs (or arranging them for his assistants).
I'm no lawyer though, and I don't watch CSI.
I'm no lawyer though, and I don't watch CSI.
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Would Miller really have been dumb enough to be the only coach to discuss this stuff over the phone? I mean Jeez, even if im talking to someone or texting them about buying weed I still speak in code. Having a phone conversation to the likes of "Oh we will give you 100k for DeAndre Ayton to come play for us at Arizona" is still incredibly hard to believe. ANd did he truly just let Book fall on the sword?? All of this is disappointing, confusing, infuriating, etc.
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Why raid Miller's house? They didn't find anything thoughLBdCactus wrote:The more I think about this the less it looks likely that CSM or the university were in on it. The FBI already had Book. They could use him whenever they wanted to trap Dawkins. They would not need another actor to set up a sting on Dawkins. Remember, Book is not the big fish they were after. Dawkins, shoe companies, etc.. They would use Book, not Miller. Unless they already knew they could pressure Miller into cooperating, which would mean they had evidence that not only was he involved, but was also taking kick backs (or arranging them for his assistants).
I'm no lawyer though, and I don't watch CSI.
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Where's 97 today? Hope he's okay.
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I guess it’s hard to moan incessantly about kids getting nothing while adults make tons of money if the kids are getting paid too.zonagrad wrote:Bilas wants a free market. But the closest thing to that is the Black market. But Bilas hates the black market.
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