Sean Miller

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:12 am

zonagrad wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller coaches this week, it may be the greatest turn of events since Easter. Like, the first Easter.

Arizona basketball is a religion.

It's like the story of Job right now.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:19 am

zonagrad wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Sigh. Just hope people find enough motivation to stick around and keep this community active. Rip Az basketball. It's really shitty that other elite teams will get away with this and we have to pay the biggest price and lose everything.
The same people who were spoiled and didn't appreciate the conference titles and 3 elite eights and complained that Miller "wasn't Lute" and couldn't win the big game... those people will crawl back under the rock the live. The best posters here who understand Miller and what he accomplished, they'll stick around. I know I will.

We can mourn this unpleasant finish. But a fresh start is coming. Our AD hired Sumlin for football. We may catch lightning in a bottle again.

Take a look at the sausage thread. I advanced basically the same idea about how that sector of our fan base is partially responsible for this situation.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:19 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller coaches this week, it may be the greatest turn of events since Easter. Like, the first Easter.

Arizona basketball is a religion.
It's like the story of Job right now.

We need Miller to pull a Lazarus.

Or a Moses and deliver us from Pharaoh (ESPN). But I'm afraid we may be stuck in the desert for 40 years.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:19 am

I agree the Scheer tweet about them parting ways is a bit overdone...to early.

The fact that he didn't coach Monday/Tues raises some eyebrows but not enough to mean much, if he doesn't show for practice today then we might go from code yellow to code amber, but even that is not a code red.

He obviously trusts Romar enough to keep things going...don't overlook that fact...

If he does not coach Senior night then call the morgue.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:22 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Sigh. Just hope people find enough motivation to stick around and keep this community active. Rip Az basketball. It's really shitty that other elite teams will get away with this and we have to pay the biggest price and lose everything.
The same people who were spoiled and didn't appreciate the conference titles and 3 elite eights and complained that Miller "wasn't Lute" and couldn't win the big game... those people will crawl back under the rock the live. The best posters here who understand Miller and what he accomplished, they'll stick around. I know I will.

We can mourn this unpleasant finish. But a fresh start is coming. Our AD hired Sumlin for football. We may catch lightning in a bottle again.
Take a look at the sausage thread. I advanced basically the same idea about how that sector of our fan base is partially responsible for this situation.

Those are the fans that piss me off the most. It's sad when Dana Altman can sing praises of Arizona basketball under Sean Miller more than a some spoiled, unappreciative and ignorant fans.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:27 am

What spiff said...the only reason he gets fired now is because it makes a subset of the Maricopa co asu backing ABOR feel like big dogs and escape from their pathetic pencil pushing life for a moment.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:28 am

zonagrad wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Sigh. Just hope people find enough motivation to stick around and keep this community active. Rip Az basketball. It's really shitty that other elite teams will get away with this and we have to pay the biggest price and lose everything.
The same people who were spoiled and didn't appreciate the conference titles and 3 elite eights and complained that Miller "wasn't Lute" and couldn't win the big game... those people will crawl back under the rock the live. The best posters here who understand Miller and what he accomplished, they'll stick around. I know I will.

We can mourn this unpleasant finish. But a fresh start is coming. Our AD hired Sumlin for football. We may catch lightning in a bottle again.
Take a look at the sausage thread. I advanced basically the same idea about how that sector of our fan base is partially responsible for this situation.
Those are the fans that piss me off the most. It's sad when Dana Altman can sing praises of Arizona basketball under Sean Miller more than a some spoiled, unappreciative and ignorant fans.

Like I said there, if you were frustrated with Elite Eights, the good news for you is you won't have to worry about Elite Eights for a while.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:30 am

He's not going to get fired. They're going to mutually part ways. His recruiting at Arizona is done. Too much uncertainty. He's going to get paid. He's going to fight ESPN. How would he fight all these lawsuits while coaching and recruiting.

Sean Olson · Post by **Sean Olson** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:31 am

97cats wrote:
Sean Olson wrote:97,

First off, I don't know you. I think your name starts with a J, you enjoy the movie Fletch, and consistently provide some of the best insight into the Arizona program. But that's just what I've gathered hanging around the boards. Point is, I know nothing beyond the information you've posted here over the years, but I think I've read enough insights that I can make some inferences and I just can't put two-and-two together on Miller.

You mentioned college basketball players have been receiving compensation at all the top programs for 30+ years (which incidentally encompasses the heyday of the Lute years as well so I wouldn't think this is exactly news to anyone close to the program). You've also been about as big a Miller fan as anyone from the day Miller was hired at Arizona (Miller's a witch, we're right where we want to be with Sean Miller, etc.). Then the UNC possibility came along but that seemed to have nothing to do with Arizona everything to do with UNC (understandably) being the 'holy grail' for Miller.

Recently though, it seems like something drastically changed. You even acknowledge that others around the program, "at a higher altitude," have changed their tune on Miller as well to the point of just wanting him gone. And this was before all the FBI stuff. The corruption in college basketball seems like the worst kept secret in sports. It's like an elephant in the room covered by a table cloth. And I don't think for a moment all those talking heads on TV, former players, coaches, and on down the line don't know exactly how it all works behind the scenes. So the outrage at Miller, particularly from within our own program, just seems odd. Isn't Miller just doing what everyone else is doing? Is it just that he got "caught" or got sloppy to where it put certain people's reputations in danger? Is there some distinction between cheaters and CHEATERS? Or has some other cardinal sin been broken?

If Miller and Arizona was coming to an end (seemingly) regardless of this FBI investigation, there has to be more to the story than just wanting a change of scenery. Maybe now is not time to ask these questions, but when the dust settles it would be interesting to get more details on how it all went down.
first my man thank you for taking the time to write this question(s) - ive been online chatting about Arizona for so long but these posts make me smile. I appreciate the kind words, seems there was some common ground with us in the past so that's always cool to read.

I'm still a gigantic Sean Miller fan. in his nine years at Arizona I've learned that nobody will outwork Sean Miller. he is a tireless competitor who loves basketball and working with student athletes, his players go to class and graduate, that means something to me.

the results on the floor have been outstanding, Miller has carries a .771 winning percentage with 242 wins in nine years at AZ. hes won the Pac 12 Conf four times (soon to be five) and has been coach of the year three times.

his ability to handle the media and control the environment is what I noticed about him right away, always smooth and under control seeming to say the right thing over and over.

what separates Sean tho is his ability as a recruiter. he would laser in on a player and make that player the clear number one priority, tracing and tracking the player showing up unannounced to take in a practice or take the private plane after an away game to catch a run on the way home. the players talk about how he would appear and make his presence felt, especially with parents.

his sunday breakfast meetings at the University Marriot to close the deal for official visits were legend - many players and their mothers pledged to Miller on those Sundays.

as with anything however, time is the ultimate equalizer.

I often said over the years the earlier Sean Miller gets to the Final Four at Arizona the better the prospects of keeping him in Tucson for 20 years.

the close calls and the missed opportunities hurt, and they put Coach on the backside of that timeline - then the stress became a factor as the near misses piled up and adversity came in form off the floor.

over time a few small cuts can add up, and that happened here a bit. people in Tucson want a winner, but they also want a certain type of person. I believe Sean Miller had the opportunity and the desire to be that person, but he needed to win to validate that and he fell just short.

if he makes the Final Four in '11 and/or '14 we are having a different conversation today - that's how close this is. Tucson can be a buffer, but its fickle and needs to feel good.

in some ways it hasn't felt good or its felt bad too often.

the UCLA administrator, the ref scandal, the ongoing feud with the conf, Larry Scott, Elliot Pitts, Book suspension (pre FBI), Harvey Mason, Trier PED, the FBI Sept-current), and now the popular narrative of Miller being plain dirty and bad.

it can add up -- change sometimes is the best thing for everyone, Miller has even said that himself.

people began to pile on the leader a bit and then the FBI situation changed everything, as soon as that hit folks who I would never chat basketball with were telling me how fucked Arizona was, and how fucked Sean Miller was.

when stories corroborate it becomes a sick feeling.

I know we all don't love Seth Davis - but I was at a holiday party and had the pleasure of meeting him and chatting (super nice guy) and he explained how Sean Miller was screwed and everyone knew about it. he eluded to their being much more from the scandal and pointed out another 20 schools too.

rewind a bit, I'm pretty sure coach Miller had a moment in September too, maybe one that accelerated his feelings about the long term viability of being at Arizona and began to reassess his situation? I don't know?

but, I know Arizona was looking at this season as an opportunity to stand by their coach and make a run for the Final Four, and then adjust after the season, they had a great team and TONS of unanswered questions that needed time.

not unpredictable it became somewhat of a rollercoaster - Coach is tired, fatigued and under a lot of stress... and it shows.

but, where I'm at a real loss, is him potentially being removed with one week of the regular season left at the hands of a bogus report - that doesn't feel right.

there is unfinished business for Sean Miller at Arizona, the story is not meant to be over, there is one last act.

if tomorrow Arizona can get Coach Miller back to his team and somehow get Alonzo cleared they have an opportunity with DeAndre Ayton dominating to have emotional run through March that could be for the ages.

I have visions of Sean Miller advancing to the Final Four this year and leaving Arizona the week after.

well, I guess tomorrow we will see.......

You're the man! Thank you for taking the time to post this. And all the other awesome stuff over the years, it's truly appreciated!

Being a Jamelle Horne three-pointer away from an alternate reality is tough to think about but it makes sense that everything has just piled up over the years - death by a thousand paper cuts.

I was pretty down after the Lute fiasco but somehow we survived and thrived, hopefully we can find lightning in a bottle a second time.

Beardown

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:32 am

NYCat wrote:He's not going to get fired. They're going to mutually part ways. His recruiting at Arizona is done. He's going to get paid. He's going to fight ESPN.

If all that is the case, then I have a new outlet for my fandom: Cheering on Coach Miller's fight against ESPN. Can we devote part of the upper boards to it?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:33 am

So Sean missing two straight practices with nary a word from the school. Not really sure how you read this as a positive. But not sure why it’s negative either. We’re in a stand still until the official press release comes, or a press conference with Sean, which would be much more dramatic.

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:33 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Sigh. Just hope people find enough motivation to stick around and keep this community active. Rip Az basketball. It's really shitty that other elite teams will get away with this and we have to pay the biggest price and lose everything.
The same people who were spoiled and didn't appreciate the conference titles and 3 elite eights and complained that Miller "wasn't Lute" and couldn't win the big game... those people will crawl back under the rock the live. The best posters here who understand Miller and what he accomplished, they'll stick around. I know I will.

We can mourn this unpleasant finish. But a fresh start is coming. Our AD hired Sumlin for football. We may catch lightning in a bottle again.
Take a look at the sausage thread. I advanced basically the same idea about how that sector of our fan base is partially responsible for this situation.
Those are the fans that piss me off the most. It's sad when Dana Altman can sing praises of Arizona basketball under Sean Miller more than a some spoiled, unappreciative and ignorant fans.
Like I said there, if you were frustrated with Elite Eights, the good news for you is you won't have to worry about Elite Eights for a while.

And if anyone on this forum says anything remotely to the ludicrous nonsense that is being said on twitter about "burning your gear" then gtfo out. We don't need you as fans. Bear down. Survive and Thrive

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:34 am

I don't agree with Jon Wilner pretty much ever, but I think he's got this right. At the very least it explains Arizona and Miller's POV here.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/28/ ... alk-apart/" target="_blank

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:35 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:First all of this is still speculation, no one knows for sure which way the coin flip goes.

Second Romar is actually a decent recruiter, and the fact is his game has been deeply impacted by working with MIller, I read the interview with him when he was back in Washington and he said he had a "Light went on" event happen almost every day at practice with UA that explained why we were so hard to beat, I have no problem with Romar keeping the ship from sinking for a few seasons he's actually a good fit. He's been inside the sausage factory minus the killing fields of unknown recruit violations.

His record in the Pac 12 is actually decent at least half of his time here he was 1-3 in the conference finals and his NCAA record is not much worse than Millers, he has coached as many if not more NBA guys than Miller...we just have a bias against him because he was an opponent.

But the CHARACTER thing is unmistakable, and the price tag is affordable right now.

I was actually hoping that he would have a bigger influence on Miller, the tight control freak during the game thing is a bit over done anyway, I love MIller, love his passion, but at some point you gotta be a tiny bit Bobby Hurley and let the ponies run, something Miller would NEVER do, Romar will.

So we got:

1. Clean guy -check
2. Affordable price -check
3. Easy transition -check
4. Decent recruiter -check
5. Knows the conference -check
6. None espn target -check
7. Can handle NCAA crap -check
8. Reason to discard later-check

If they negotiate some kind of settlement with Miller this is a no brainer move and I suggest we hold off judgement until we see what he can do the same way we did for Miller when he came here.

I checked Romars wikipedia page...he's not as bad as was imagining and the fact that he has been inside Millers playbook might even be a game changer for his style of play...he might be the perfect blend now of Lutes fast paced offense and Millers pack line D...

It's obvious Millers style needs a slight tweak to it anyway, and he is pretty damn stubborn...even at the best moments of this season I had no real confidence we were going to go to terribly far in the tournament, Millers style always hinged on one really awesome recruit a few really decent recruits and then some mediocre supporting players...and that last part can never be tweaked enough.

For the last 8 months, we've been saying we hope Romar rubs off on Miller a bit. But expanding on what you said above, we gotta remember that Miller will have rubbed off onto Romar a lot. Romar would clearly be improved as a HC, and we shouldn't have any issue with him taking over for the time being. Depending on how that goes, I could see him being around a while longer too.

We've been looking for a combination of Sean and Lorenzo. We may just get it, albeit a little differently than expected. But we will still have a coach of character, who we can still be proud to have represent our university.

I would love to have Sean, but it sounds like that's not going to be the case, whether it's now or in 6 weeks. But I am going to keep an open mind with Romar. Especially when remembering 97's post about tiers, I'll be interested to see Romar after moving up to the top one.

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:38 am

zonagrad wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller coaches this week, it may be the greatest turn of events since Easter. Like, the first Easter.

Arizona basketball is a religion.

It's been my religion but I'm loosing faith

phenom5 · Post by **phenom5** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:41 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:First all of this is still speculation, no one knows for sure which way the coin flip goes.

Second Romar is actually a decent recruiter, and the fact is his game has been deeply impacted by working with MIller, I read the interview with him when he was back in Washington and he said he had a "Light went on" event happen almost every day at practice with UA that explained why we were so hard to beat, I have no problem with Romar keeping the ship from sinking for a few seasons he's actually a good fit. He's been inside the sausage factory minus the killing fields of unknown recruit violations.

His record in the Pac 12 is actually decent at least half of his time here he was 1-3 in the conference finals and his NCAA record is not much worse than Millers, he has coached as many if not more NBA guys than Miller...we just have a bias against him because he was an opponent.

But the CHARACTER thing is unmistakable, and the price tag is affordable right now.

I was actually hoping that he would have a bigger influence on Miller, the tight control freak during the game thing is a bit over done anyway, I love MIller, love his passion, but at some point you gotta be a tiny bit Bobby Hurley and let the ponies run, something Miller would NEVER do, Romar will.

So we got:

1. Clean guy -check
2. Affordable price -check
3. Easy transition -check
4. Decent recruiter -check
5. Knows the conference -check
6. None espn target -check
7. Can handle NCAA crap -check
8. Reason to discard later-check

If they negotiate some kind of settlement with Miller this is a no brainer move and I suggest we hold off judgement until we see what he can do the same way we did for Miller when he came here.

I checked Romars wikipedia page...he's not as bad as was imagining and the fact that he has been inside Millers playbook might even be a game changer for his style of play...he might be the perfect blend now of Lutes fast paced offense and Millers pack line D...

It's obvious Millers style needs a slight tweak to it anyway, and he is pretty damn stubborn...even at the best moments of this season I had no real confidence we were going to go to terribly far in the tournament, Millers style always hinged on one really awesome recruit a few really decent recruits and then some mediocre supporting players...and that last part can never be tweaked enough.

I can actually get behind this.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:42 am

Whatever happens, just keep the community alive. This site has the best UofA discussions and educated fans out of all the boards.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:42 am

Beachcat97 wrote:So Sean missing two straight practices with nary a word from the school. Not really sure how you read this as a positive. But not sure why it’s negative either. We’re in a stand still until the official press release comes, or a press conference with Sean, which would be much more dramatic.

My gut tells me this might be an offensive move by Sean...ESPN story breaks he immediately calls his legal team and says what are my options?

They respond, give us a few days to collect case law and review what your options are...he flies back to Tucson meets with AD and says I need a few days to get my legal options clear and it helps take the target off the team...they agree.

He has probably been meeting with some high powered attorneys to discuss what he can and cannot do towards ESPN/Mark Schlabach

Think about this ESPN/Schlabach have remained incredibly quiet, refusing to talk to ANY news media outlets about the story they broke, not one fucking interview on possibly the biggest breaking story in sports this entire year...while espn has parroted KNOWN events, the fact that they broke the story (and there is a record of it) that Miller had been relieved of his duties and the Schlabach story are actually just inside willful negligence on their part.

I know this much, lawyers ARE involved with this story at this point.

The standoff between Miller and Schlabach is looking like a 12 O'clock high gunfight in old Tucson...

(Que the good the bad the ugly soundtrack)

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:42 am

Just remember, Miller was 6-0 against Hurley...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:44 am

9. Got the homer calls at Hec Edmundson that Sean Miller never got at McKale

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller coaches this week, it may be the greatest turn of events since Easter. Like, the first Easter.

Arizona basketball is a religion.
It's like the story of Job right now.

His daughters getting him drunk so they can get pregnant by him?

Oh, you mean his wife should not have looked back.

No looking back!

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:44 am

I’m an atheist, but boy do I have faith in our coach.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:49 am

Merkin wrote:9. Got the homer calls at Hec Edmundson that Sean Miller never got at McKale

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If Miller coaches this week, it may be the greatest turn of events since Easter. Like, the first Easter.

Arizona basketball is a religion.
It's like the story of Job right now.
His daughters getting him drunk so they can get pregnant by him?

Oh, you mean his wife should not have looked back.

No looking back!

That's Lot. Not Job.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:54 am

Well, my religious knowledge sucks. All those years in parochial school wasted!

Back on Miller, not getting a lot of support from the pundits, unlike the players who love him.

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:59 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:So Sean missing two straight practices with nary a word from the school. Not really sure how you read this as a positive. But not sure why it’s negative either. We’re in a stand still until the official press release comes, or a press conference with Sean, which would be much more dramatic.
My gut tells me this might be an offensive move by Sean...ESPN story breaks he immediately calls his legal team and says what are my options?

They respond, give us a few days to collect case law and review what your options are...he flies back to Tucson meets with AD and says I need a few days to get my legal options clear and it helps take the target off the team...they agree.

He has probably been meeting with some high powered attorneys to discuss what he can and cannot do towards ESPN/Mark Schlabach

Think about this ESPN/Schlabach have remained incredibly quiet, refusing to talk to ANY news media outlets about the story they broke, not one fucking interview on possibly the biggest breaking story in sports this entire year...while espn has parroted KNOWN events, the fact that they broke the story (and there is a record of it) that Miller had been relieved of his duties and the Schlabach story are actually just inside willful negligence on their part.

I know this much, lawyers ARE involved with this story at this point.

The standoff between Miller and Schlabach is looking like a 12 O'clock high gunfight in old Tucson...

(Que the good the bad the ugly soundtrack)

I'm expecting a hard response via a legal statement and he'll be back. He wasn't charged it was a horrendous error and miller won't go away because of that

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:02 am

BE4RDOWN21 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
zonagrad wrote: The same people who were spoiled and didn't appreciate the conference titles and 3 elite eights and complained that Miller "wasn't Lute" and couldn't win the big game... those people will crawl back under the rock the live. The best posters here who understand Miller and what he accomplished, they'll stick around. I know I will.

We can mourn this unpleasant finish. But a fresh start is coming. Our AD hired Sumlin for football. We may catch lightning in a bottle again.
Take a look at the sausage thread. I advanced basically the same idea about how that sector of our fan base is partially responsible for this situation.
Those are the fans that piss me off the most. It's sad when Dana Altman can sing praises of Arizona basketball under Sean Miller more than a some spoiled, unappreciative and ignorant fans.
Like I said there, if you were frustrated with Elite Eights, the good news for you is you won't have to worry about Elite Eights for a while.
And if anyone on this forum says anything remotely to the ludicrous nonsense that is being said on twitter about "burning your gear" then gtfo out. We don't need you as fans. Bear down. Survive and Thrive

Burn my gear?

Hell, DeAndre Ayton should get paid. He's an incredible basketball player. In America, there's nothing wrong with getting paid for being a gifted person who brings in buttloads of money. I feel so little moral conflict that I'd hand him money myself.

I'm more offended by a system built off enriching the ruling class with the "free" labor of the players generating the revenue. If a NCAA coach gives money to a player, he's closer to Robin Hood than a cheat.

It sucks that we've gotten ripped over this, but if we straight up paid Ayton, I'm not gonna denounce Arizona for doing something I think is fine to do.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:02 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:So Sean missing two straight practices with nary a word from the school. Not really sure how you read this as a positive. But not sure why it’s negative either. We’re in a stand still until the official press release comes, or a press conference with Sean, which would be much more dramatic.
My gut tells me this might be an offensive move by Sean...ESPN story breaks he immediately calls his legal team and says what are my options?

They respond, give us a few days to collect case law and review what your options are...he flies back to Tucson meets with AD and says I need a few days to get my legal options clear and it helps take the target off the team...they agree.

He has probably been meeting with some high powered attorneys to discuss what he can and cannot do towards ESPN/Mark Schlabach

Think about this ESPN/Schlabach have remained incredibly quiet, refusing to talk to ANY news media outlets about the story they broke, not one fucking interview on possibly the biggest breaking story in sports this entire year...while espn has parroted KNOWN events, the fact that they broke the story (and there is a record of it) that Miller had been relieved of his duties and the Schlabach story are actually just inside willful negligence on their part.

I know this much, lawyers ARE involved with this story at this point.

The standoff between Miller and Schlabach is looking like a 12 O'clock high gunfight in old Tucson...

(Que the good the bad the ugly soundtrack)

Good take, CFOM. And plausible.

I need some resolution soon so I can finish grading this stack of papers I started on Sunday. (sighs)

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:03 am

Scary to think: Unless the university is explicitly concerned about forthcoming revelations, the decision to part with Miller based on the ESPN story would be based on the perception that the community would tolerate that. And that's the community we belong to.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:05 am

Longhorned wrote:Scary to think: Unless the university is explicitly concerned about forthcoming revelations, the decision to part with Miller based on the ESPN story would be based on the perception that the community would tolerate that. And that's the community we belong to.

If Miller is not the coach after today it will be because of the belief more is to come and the PR need to be ahead of it, not the ESPN piece or even Book to date

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:06 am

Longhorned wrote:Scary to think: Unless the university is explicitly concerned about forthcoming revelations, the decision to part with Miller based on the ESPN story would be based on the perception that the community would tolerate that. And that's the community we belong to.

I don’t tolerate it. But what can I do? Stop giving money to the alumni association? Stop attending games? Stop buying UofA gear? None of those is happening.

I love Miller, but I love the team/school more. If it were up to me, Sean stays. It’s not up to me.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:07 am

Longhorned wrote:Scary to think: Unless the university is explicitly concerned about forthcoming revelations, the decision to part with Miller based on the ESPN story would be based on the perception that the community would tolerate that. And that's the community we belong to.

Average Arizona fan is more likely to believe the ESPN report than what we are discussion here.

That’s the scary part; the sheeple will be ok with it and gimino and Wilner are prepping the playing field.

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:07 am

If Robbins / Heeke fire Sean, they need to change their names to Roberta and Diane, because they obviously have no balls. And if they fire him, I hope EVERY NBA player who played for Miller at the UofA just constantly bash the shit out of this university. Who would want to coach at a place where you just know the leaders don't have your back, that they will just throw you under the bus at the first whiff of a problem?

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:07 am

Has there been any sort of support from the student body for Miller in any sort of a public forum around the University? I dont agree with anything that happened at Penn State but you have to give it to the students in that they supported their beliefs even if we think they were wrong.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:08 am

Best case scenario to knock two off of our Arya Stark hit list: Greg was lying about a federal investigation, talking to Book etc. and he is forced to retire. However, he was right about it being Bowen which knocks out Schlabach too. Two birds.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:09 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Scary to think: Unless the university is explicitly concerned about forthcoming revelations, the decision to part with Miller based on the ESPN story would be based on the perception that the community would tolerate that. And that's the community we belong to.
I don’t tolerate it. But what can I do? Stop giving money to the alumni association? Stop attending games? Stop buying UofA gear? None of those are happening.

I love Miller, but I love the team/school more. If it were up to me, Sean stays. It’s not up to me.

If that happens, that would make Arizona the only of the "20 or so" programs out ahead this. So my questions would be: Why is Arizona the only one cutting off its own legs to save its body? Or are there not really 20 or so other programs out there who are at risk, and Arizona is the problem rather than part of the problem?

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:13 am

Longhorned wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Scary to think: Unless the university is explicitly concerned about forthcoming revelations, the decision to part with Miller based on the ESPN story would be based on the perception that the community would tolerate that. And that's the community we belong to.
I don’t tolerate it. But what can I do? Stop giving money to the alumni association? Stop attending games? Stop buying UofA gear? None of those are happening.

I love Miller, but I love the team/school more. If it were up to me, Sean stays. It’s not up to me.
If that happens, that would make Arizona the only of the "20 or so" programs out ahead this. So my questions would be: Why is Arizona the only one cutting off its own legs to save its body? Or are there not really 20 or so other programs out there who are at risk, and Arizona is the problem rather than part of the problem?

Pretty sure Billy was given a Ferrari to attend Kansas

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:14 am

CatHoops wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Scary to think: Unless the university is explicitly concerned about forthcoming revelations, the decision to part with Miller based on the ESPN story would be based on the perception that the community would tolerate that. And that's the community we belong to.
I don’t tolerate it. But what can I do? Stop giving money to the alumni association? Stop attending games? Stop buying UofA gear? None of those are happening.

I love Miller, but I love the team/school more. If it were up to me, Sean stays. It’s not up to me.
If that happens, that would make Arizona the only of the "20 or so" programs out ahead this. So my questions would be: Why is Arizona the only one cutting off its own legs to save its body? Or are there not really 20 or so other programs out there who are at risk, and Arizona is the problem rather than part of the problem?
Pretty sure Billy was given a Ferrari to attend Kansas

The adidas shoe will drop

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:18 am

BBQ wildcat wrote:If Robbins / Heeke fire Sean, they need to change their names to Roberta and Diane, because they obviously have no balls. And if they fire him, I hope EVERY NBA player who played for Miller at the UofA just constantly bash the shit out of this university. Who would want to coach at a place where you just know the leaders don't have your back, that they will just throw you under the bus at the first whiff of a problem?

Yeah this is not the right take, especially if you have read and fully digested what 97cats was spelling out for every one here.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:19 am

The ESPN narrative is: Arizona, how dare you?! Why can’t you be more like Duke?!

Even though they’ve muted the attack somewhat, this is still the dominant national narrative that Schlabach launched.

It’s about as absurd as a Sarah Huckabee Sanders press conference.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:22 am

It's pretty simple to me. Ever ask "how did they catch those guys with all that evidence right on their computer?" Well when you are doing something wrong, you gotta have dirt on someone to exonerate you or to at least get you out of the trouble you are in.

That's probably where we are at. Everything reported right now might be complete BS, but what else is there. I dunno about you guys, but I don't anticipate anything in my life is gonna have the FBI knocking on the door.

Arizona is just weighing what could come out vs. what is out...and what to do about it NOW. It's clear they were cutting ties at end of year.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:22 am

-_-

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:24 am

He's so senile he can't type, and he's so stupid to realize he's part of the problem.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:24 am

Fake news works...

(Not a political comment a social one)...

But truth eventually wins out...

The wheels of justice move incredibly slow and grind incredibly fine...Justice is most like an old grinding stone gradually doing it's business crushing one grain at a time...and over time you find a pile of reality that is undeniable.

For a culture obsessed with immediate emotional outrage...justice appears no where on the horizon...but the horizon eventually changes because of all the grist that has been milled.

If Miller and ALL have been doing this under the table shit recruiting/paying as it has been suggested it will come out.

I am not comfortable breaking the rules, I don't care who the coach is.

I'd rather have a clean program and lose than a dirty one and win.

But to be honest I don't know what to believe because the wheels of justice are moving in slow motion and I cannot make out where they are going just yet.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:26 am

NYCat wrote:-_-

So tired of this dumb motherfucker. Auburn has let Bruce Pearl coach all year and he's not even cooperating with their internal investigation. Miami just won on a buzzer beater last night and guess who their coach is? Jim Larranaga. Go away you old senile bald turd.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:27 am

NYCat wrote:-_-

Time to take old Lennie out to tend to the rabbits...

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:28 am

Total hit job on Miller such bullshit

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:29 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
BBQ wildcat wrote:If Robbins / Heeke fire Sean, they need to change their names to Roberta and Diane, because they obviously have no balls. And if they fire him, I hope EVERY NBA player who played for Miller at the UofA just constantly bash the shit out of this university. Who would want to coach at a place where you just know the leaders don't have your back, that they will just throw you under the bus at the first whiff of a problem?
Yeah this is not the right take, especially if you have read and fully digested what 97cats was spelling out for every one here.

I have read and digested all of that. And 97 also says Miller needs to be allowed to finish out the year. Yes, everyone will have a different reaction. And, for me, that reaction will be that, at least as long as those two are in command, the UofA will be dead to me. A qualification would be if Miller were fired because he admits he said and did things that were against the NCAA rules.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:29 am

Miller leaving, whether fired or he quits, is the worst decision possible for UofA under the circumstances and current ncaa basketball atmosphere.

Miller needs to coach for at least the next 4 years to get us through everything that is happening (or will happen, especially if we are handed any sanctions).

After 4 years when the dust has settled and any sanctions are over, he can more on to wherever he wants and we can be ready to get back to the top tier program we all want to be (again, assuming that we've had a decline due to any sanctions).

If he's actually innocent as he claims, it'll turn around quicker and even the idiotic talking heads will get behind him once everything comes out. Sure the damage is done but talking heads are fickle and they'll come back around (plus we can sue the fucking shit out of the people who caused us damage). If he's not actually innocent, let him coach out the sanctions while we keep a watchful eye over him to ensure he's remaining clean, and then we can move on when sanctions are over.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:30 am

WildcatStunner wrote:Whatever happens, just keep the community alive. This site has the best UofA discussions and educated fans out of all the boards.

This community survived Kevin O’Neill. It can survive whatever comes next.

If anything, we’ll have MORE to talk about, not less.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:31 am

Let these motherfuckers keep talking. I hope Miller, Heeke and Robbins go after every penny they've got.

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:31 am

Anyone taking much away from the fact the President Robbins is playing golf today at the Tucson Classic?

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