let's talk '18

prh · Post by **prh** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:02 pm

Brandon Williams can be D-Will version 2, in so many ways. He would be the face of the program. He would be the guy to lead us through dark times to the other side. He would have huge exposure here (compared to Oregon or Gonzaga). We just need to convince him of that.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:03 pm

Officially out of his loi, let's see if Miller actually recruits and offers

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:09 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Of the other schools BW is considering, I'm not sure he'd start anywhere but AZ.
Lol if you say so.
Oregon has Brown and Pritchard, UCLA has Hands and Wilkes, Gonzaga has Perkins and Norvell. It's doubtful any of these guys are leaving early. Where else is BW considering?
Brown is a wing and likely NBA bound and you can argue Pritchard is Oregon's problem right now. I'd play both Pritchard and Williams at the same time and Altman would too. I'm not considering UCLA at all in this. Zaga does have Perkins, but Norvell can easily slide over to the 3. So at 2 of the 3 you named he could and very likely easily start.
That's quite high expectations you're giving BW. He's clearly a good player, but talented freshmen have an uphill battle to start over older, more experienced players, especially guys who started throughout the previous season. It's really only the Aytons and Bagleys of the world who can come in and start from day one. By some rating services, BW isn't even among the top 10 PGs in his class. He's good, but is he as awesome as you're making him sound? Is he a program-changer? I don't think so. But at AZ, he'd arguably be more central to our success next season than he would at other schools.

By some rating services you mean ESPN, the one "service" that barely watches these kids and when they do it's during the summer when Williams didn't play this past year good call. I'm not saying he's going to be all world, but he's absolutely better than Payton Pritchard and would be great in Mark Few's 3 guard offense, but sure he'd have an uphill battle at those two schools i guess.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:12 pm

NYCat wrote:Officially out of his loi, let's see if Miller actually recruits and offers

He will.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:14 pm

Choo, so you are saying there is a chance we get him back?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:20 pm

azcat49 wrote:Choo, so you are saying there is a chance we get him back?

It's not impossible. Going to have to survive the upcoming visits he's going to take.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:35 pm

NYCat wrote:Officially out of his loi, let's see if Miller actually recruits and offers

Need me to show up at some games in my u of a gear?

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:16 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Of the other schools BW is considering, I'm not sure he'd start anywhere but AZ.
Lol if you say so.

I'd like to just gently remind you to avoid quoting BC97. My scrolling is much more enjoyable when I don't have to read his nonsense.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:20 pm

I’ve tried (in vain) to get dc to avoid the personal attacks and keep the focus on the thread’s topic. We’re on the same side, dude.

BW has an opportunity at AZ he may not have at other schools. All I’m saying.

FourthandUniversity · Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:32 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
NYCat wrote:Officially out of his loi, let's see if Miller actually recruits and offers

Need me to show up at some games in my u of a gear?

This is a good idea.

I'm thinking we need to stay away from an unproven freshman at the PG position again and maybe focus on a solid TJ-style transfer we know is going to produce.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:47 am

Ewing visited Akinjo on the first day he was released from UConn and Jerry Meyer trhew a crystal ball pick for Georgetown already.

Probably turning pro but maybe..

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:49 am

FourthandUniversity wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
NYCat wrote:Officially out of his loi, let's see if Miller actually recruits and offers

Need me to show up at some games in my u of a gear?

This is a good idea.

I'm thinking we need to stay away from an unproven freshman at the PG position again and maybe focus on a solid TJ-style transfer we know is going to produce.

He's a high schooler?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:06 am

Yes, Akinjo is a High Schooler.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 am

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:16 am

NYCat wrote:

That is good news. It may not cinch anything, but we've got to fight for those two.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:20 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
NYCat wrote:
That is good news. It may not cinch anything, but we've got to fight for those two.

Let's just hope the source isn't Mark Schlabach

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:30 am

If we have learned anything about CSM it's surely not to underestimate him.

Hope the witch has concocted a new potion.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:30 am

If Miller can pull these two, then we're back on track. We can play a more athletic style and be Ron's better defensively. I don't think people realize how much Ristic and PJC impacted our defense in a negative way.

I think Randolph & Akot can really develop if they don't rush and declare too early. Hell, Devonte Graham avgd just 5 points his freshman year.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:01 am

Alieberman wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
NYCat wrote:
That is good news. It may not cinch anything, but we've got to fight for those two.
Let's just hope the source isn't Mark Schlabach

Or the guy whose name rhymes with “Look”.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:28 am

Officially an offer for Akinjo

BibbysTowelDude · Post by **BibbysTowelDude** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:00 pm

zonagrad wrote:If Miller can pull these two, then we're back on track. We can play a more athletic style and be Ron's better defensively. I don't think people realize how much Ristic and PJC impacted our defense in a negative way.

I think Randolph & Akot can really develop if they don't rush and declare too early. Hell, Devonte Graham avgd just 5 points his freshman year.

Trier/Alkins too.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:43 am

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:29 pm

Alford’s got better things to do, it seems.

Think BW ends up at AZ or Oregon. Jordan Brown would be HUGE but not holding my breath.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:45 pm

I don't know who will be in our '18 class.... but I do predict they will end up being fan favorites... maybe not until their jr or sr years but they will

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:07 pm

Everything I've seen/read/heard indicates Jordan Brown to Cal. Crazier things have happened though.

Really up in the air with BWill. Maybe when both Trier and Alkins officially declare we will know more? Im not sure what her's waiting for. Conformation from Miller that he's coming back for sure? The FBI Tapes?

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:40 pm

Why does it seem like no one wants Jordan Brown? The best player in California (ratings wise) and his main suitors involve St. Johns and Louisiana Lafayette. Seems like an odd recruitment to me.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:54 pm

gronk4heisman wrote:Why does it seem like no one wants Jordan Brown? The best player in California (ratings wise) and his main suitors involve St. Johns and Louisiana Lafayette. Seems like an odd recruitment to me.

It is an odd recruitment, but it has nothing to do with anyone "not wanting him."

He's trying to see if he can get into Stanford, if he can then that's where he'll go. If he can't then Arizona has a chance, but would have to beat out Gonzaga for him. I think the Cal ship has sailed.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:12 pm

NYCat wrote:

"I kind of re-opened up and Stanford's gotten involved and also Arizona, too," he said Monday at a practice for this week's McDonald's All-American in Atlanta. "I'm just kind of waiting out the process now to figure things out because most of my time spent up until now was spent getting ready for this."

Stanford's Jerod Haase and Adam Cohen have reached out, while Arizona head coach Sean Miller has communicated with Dion Brown, Jordan's father.

"Both of those schools were schools that recruited me before," Brown said of the two Pac-12 schools.

"Just kind of waiting on how things go," Brown said of Arizona. "If things get cleared up, then I'm going to think more on it."
Brown has also been considering St. John's, Nevada, Gonzaga, Cal, Oregon, and Louisiana-Lafayette but said, "I haven't heard from UCLA recently."
Jordan Brown has taken officials to St. John's, UCLA, Cal, and Louisiana-Lafayette. The destination for his fifth official visit remains in the air, with Gonzaga also in the mix.

"I'm just kind of keeping it in my back pocket for now," he said

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:32 pm

NYCat wrote:
NYCat wrote:

"I kind of re-opened up and Stanford's gotten involved and also Arizona, too," he said Monday at a practice for this week's McDonald's All-American in Atlanta. "I'm just kind of waiting out the process now to figure things out because most of my time spent up until now was spent getting ready for this."

Stanford's Jerod Haase and Adam Cohen have reached out, while Arizona head coach Sean Miller has communicated with Dion Brown, Jordan's father.

"Both of those schools were schools that recruited me before," Brown said of the two Pac-12 schools.

"Just kind of waiting on how things go," Brown said of Arizona. "If things get cleared up, then I'm going to think more on it."
Brown has also been considering St. John's, Nevada, Gonzaga, Cal, Oregon, and Louisiana-Lafayette but said, "I haven't heard from UCLA recently."
Jordan Brown has taken officials to St. John's, UCLA, Cal, and Louisiana-Lafayette. The destination for his fifth official visit remains in the air, with Gonzaga also in the mix.

"I'm just kind of keeping it in my back pocket for now," he said

Please be a good sign..

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:46 pm

It's Oregon or Arizona for Williams, the rest is all a sideshow.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:14 pm

No BW means grad transfer PG because Akinjo won't start and Barcello Ball would be disastrous. Gotta get him here, but hopefully we don't have to hire his dad like USC did for Eric Mobley's sons.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:56 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:No BW means grad transfer PG because Akinjo won't start and Barcello Ball would be disastrous. Gotta get him here, but hopefully we don't have to hire his dad like USC did for Eric Mobley's sons.

At this point just hire the dad!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:09 pm

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SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:01 pm

I feel like we just need one commitment to let everyone know it is ok to come here and it will get the ball rolling.

OSCat · Post by **OSCat** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:50 am

SunnyAZ wrote:I feel like we just need one commitment to let everyone know it is ok to come here and it will get the ball rolling.

This we just need to crack the ice

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:44 am

UCLA's in home wasn't going to have Alford. Not sure if it was cancelled because of that or if it is because there just isn't enough interest.

When Williams takes his visit to Oregon, 5* SF Louis King will take his official at the same time

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:29 am

MrBug708 wrote:UCLA's in home wasn't going to have Alford. Not sure if it was cancelled because of that or if it is because there just isn't enough interest.

When Williams takes his visit to Oregon, 5* SF Louis King will take his official at the same time

Williams is also taking an unofficial to asu after an in home from them, if it makes anyone feel better

ChooChooCat wrote:https://twitter.com/MaxxUpdated/status/ ... 8473185280

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:59 am

How do you go from dreaming of playing at Arizona since childhood to decommitting and visiting ASU? Does he know how dumb he looks?

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:42 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:How do you go from dreaming of playing at Arizona since childhood to decommitting and visiting ASU? Does he know how dumb he looks?

I am sure the negative recruiting against Miller right now is second to none.

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:41 pm

splitsecond wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:How do you go from dreaming of playing at Arizona since childhood to decommitting and visiting ASU? Does he know how dumb he looks?
I am sure the negative recruiting against Miller right now is second to none.

Without a doubt, but it is a bit baffling the kid would even look at ASU on his own dime. The program has been garbage for decades, and after their surprising start this season, they played terribly in conference. What is the appeal? Hurley has his Adidas recruiting connection which landed him a 5 star, but if Williams loves Arizona, why would he go to a lesser program in state after seeing Miller re-stabilize his own program with assurances that his entire freshman class will be returning next season?

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:48 pm

midnightx wrote:What is the appeal?

Scottsdale, with entry to all that an ASU athletic escort can provide?

What 18 year old kid would pass on that?

But to play there, with real choices, is a bit silly.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:52 pm

EVCat wrote:
midnightx wrote:What is the appeal?
Scottsdale, with entry to all that an ASU athletic escort can provide?

What 18 year old kid would pass on that?

But to play there, with real choices, is a bit silly.

nothing about that is better than what Arizona has.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:17 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
EVCat wrote:
midnightx wrote:What is the appeal?
Scottsdale, with entry to all that an ASU athletic escort can provide?

What 18 year old kid would pass on that?

But to play there, with real choices, is a bit silly.
nothing about that is better than what Arizona has.

Sure...but he already visited us, no?

When a kid starts taking unofficial visits a tier down from his ability to destination spots? I mean...it has to be a little realistic to get the visit "hosted". But there are more than a few kids who verbal too early and start hearing about their friends' visits and re-open. Or wish they could.

520in480 · Post by **520in480** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:37 pm

I posted it in the FBI thread about a week ago, but there was a tweet from a LA Times reporter that the FBI is looking into an ASU assistant coach. The exact tweet was "Among the people the subpoena requested information on: Arizona State assistant Anthony Coleman. He played for Long Beach State and previously worked for Adidas."

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno Tweet on Mar. 16

I have not seen this covered anywhere. Not sure if Williams has heard about this, but to me, it seems like this would be a red flag.

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:05 pm

Kyree walker played in the aau adidas circuit in Cali and when hillcrest prep went to adidas he moved to az and committed to asu who is now sponsored by adidas and gave his dad a coaching job. His dad also has a seat on the bench at asu games follow the money it'll lead to crazy things. Everyone is involved to some extent

SteveKerrsStroke · Post by **SteveKerrsStroke** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:17 pm

Yeah don't blame BW for taking all the visits he wants. You only get one shot (barring transfer) at checking out all the different schools in the PAC and comparing experiences with your buddies in your class. Go for it man, just hope you enjoy ours the most

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:21 pm

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:56 pm

splitsecond wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:How do you go from dreaming of playing at Arizona since childhood to decommitting and visiting ASU? Does he know how dumb he looks?
I am sure the negative recruiting against Miller right now is second to none.

I bet other coaches are just fucking unloading on Miller and our program with recruits. God knows other schools fans are on Twitter. Read the comment section on any Tweet referencing us recruiting a player etc.

"So you going to Arizona to turn pro early and get paid"

"How much money I mean playing time did Miller offer"

That stain is going to be around us for a long time. Fucking sucks

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:29 pm

Newportcat wrote:
splitsecond wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:How do you go from dreaming of playing at Arizona since childhood to decommitting and visiting ASU? Does he know how dumb he looks?
I am sure the negative recruiting against Miller right now is second to none.
I bet other coaches are just fucking unloading on Miller and our program with recruits. God knows other schools fans are on Twitter. Read the comment section on any Tweet referencing us recruiting a player etc.

"So you going to Arizona to turn pro early and get paid"

"How much money I mean playing time did Miller offer"

That stain is going to be around us for a long time. Fucking sucks

Isn't that positive recruiting for us?

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:40 am

yeah...elite players know the game...and the game.

Not sure they give a shit about message board posts. They want to go where they can be featured, improve, be seen, and be coached (optional for kids choosing UCLA).

Whatever players choose to come here will get a lot of coverage for sure, especially in Maui.

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