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Completely missed it...sure...and Neil Armstrong really walked on the moonChicat wrote:Haha, holy shit. Completely missed that. Not a good look for ol’ Chicat.
Sorry Newport! Great minds think alike I guess, even if mine is much slower. Probably too much bong resin clouding up the synapses.
So now your company is on this conspiracy too....How far does this go Chicat....Chicat wrote:Video is blocked for me because I’m on my company’s wi-fi but I should have noticed the gif.
I am beginning to think we need to thank Nick Saban for Coach SumlinBBQ wildcat wrote:Miller to Xavier is a done deal, right Bosy? Bosy is so absolutely sure it will go down that he is only asking for 10 - 1 odds.
Chicat wrote:Haha, holy shit. Completely missed that. Not a good look for ol’ Chicat.
Sorry Newport! Great minds think alike I guess, even if mine is much slower. Probably too much bong resin clouding up the synapses.
i have the same problem My guy “Look” said the eagle has landed.prh wrote:All you doubters are idiots. Clearly, K and Roy forced Louisville to hire Mack, so that Xavier would then hire Miller. How could you all miss that?
Until Alex Jones weighs in I'm not rushing to judgement.Chicat wrote:My guy “Look” said the eagle has landed.prh wrote:All you doubters are idiots. Clearly, K and Roy forced Louisville to hire Mack, so that Xavier would then hire Miller. How could you all miss that?
Am I doing this right?
I once wrote “I *heart* Sean Miller” in chem trails. True story.dovecanyoncat wrote:Until Alex Jones weighs in I'm not rushing to judgement.Chicat wrote:My guy “Look” said the eagle has landed.prh wrote:All you doubters are idiots. Clearly, K and Roy forced Louisville to hire Mack, so that Xavier would then hire Miller. How could you all miss that?
Am I doing this right?
dovecanyoncat wrote:Until Alex Jones weighs in I'm not rushing to judgement.Chicat wrote:My guy “Look” said the eagle has landed.prh wrote:All you doubters are idiots. Clearly, K and Roy forced Louisville to hire Mack, so that Xavier would then hire Miller. How could you all miss that?
Am I doing this right?
and only one of those coaches has never been to a Final Fourazgreg wrote:
To be fair he only missed LeVelle Moton, because of the way it was formatted likely. Every other coach not named Sean Miller on that list has made the Final Four including Mike Davis.cats101 wrote:3 actually but carry along..
Actually two.cats101 wrote:3 actually but carry along..
correct i didnt see that - my badChooChooCat wrote:To be fair he only missed LeVelle Moton, because of the way it was formatted likely. Every other coach not named Sean Miller on that list has made the Final Four including Mike Davis.cats101 wrote:3 actually but carry along..
I don't think the question is whether Miller is a great coach - I think he is. The question is does he cheat? I think where there is smoke there is fire. Do you reward that with letting him be the face of your program?azgreg wrote:
Since there has been zero evidence showed that he cheats I'm fine with him staying for as long as he and his bosses want.enfuego wrote:I don't think the question is whether Miller is a great coach - I think he is. The question is does he cheat? I think where there is smoke there is fire. Do you reward that with letting him be the face of your program?azgreg wrote:
I know I won't be popular for agreeing with Enfuego but I agree with this post. Right now it's about image and if Miller knows he did nothing wrong then there's nothing for him to worry about. Unfortunately a black cloud hovers over the program and will for a long time. Luring recruits has already become an arduous endeavor coupled with the predictable decommits. I can assure you Brandon Williams is not coming to Arizona and it's not because it's not a great program with a great coach. It's because it's a mismanaged program in my opinion and it's led a myriad of skepticsim that will hurt us for a very long time. I don't want to say Miller should step down especially if he's innocent but I, like so many other people have a hard time believing he didn't know anything. At this moment I think a new coach and a new start might be the wiser course of action moving forward. And congratulations Enfuego on Kansas making the Final Four. I give credit where credit where credit is due. Bill Self has done an amazing job.enfuego wrote:I don't think the question is whether Miller is a great coach - I think he is. The question is does he cheat? I think where there is smoke there is fire. Do you reward that with letting him be the face of your program?azgreg wrote:
If he negotiated $100,000 for Ayton, he's about the cleanest coach in the nation. I'm pretty sure KU offered Ayton more than 100k.enfuego wrote:I don't think the question is whether Miller is a great coach - I think he is. The question is does he cheat? I think where there is smoke there is fire. Do you reward that with letting him be the face of your program?azgreg wrote:
Arizona and KU probably both offered Ayton the same amount of $$, it's just why spend your brief college career in Lawrence with that campus and those women when you could be in Tucson with our coeds.Spaceman Spiff wrote:If he negotiated $100,000 for Ayton, he's about the cleanest coach in the nation. I'm pretty sure KU offered Ayton more than 100k.enfuego wrote:I don't think the question is whether Miller is a great coach - I think he is. The question is does he cheat? I think where there is smoke there is fire. Do you reward that with letting him be the face of your program?azgreg wrote:
Fixed it for you.ASUHATER! wrote: Nike and Adidas probably both offered Ayton the same amount of $$, it's just why spend your brief college career in Lawrence with that campus and those women when you could be in Tucson with our coeds.
I remember, in the past, I didn't like the idea of high school students going pro right out of high school. But now I've changed my mind. I think the college game will be far better. One of my favorite reasons to watch college basketball is observing how players develop over time. Put in a rule like football where if you sign a LOI you must stay 3 years in college.Beachcat97 wrote:In a few more years, I think the Aytons and Bagleys of the world are no longer going to be college athletes, not if the NBA G-League continues to gain steam and present an even more attractive option. It's also possible the age rule goes away and opens the flood gates for preps to go right to the NBA again.
Yep. I don't think there should be any barriers to these players' ambitions and opportunities. If an NBA team will draft them out of HS, that's exactly what they should do. The NBA can provide a social service by offering counseling to players and their families, educating them about the business of the NBA and encouraging them to prepare for *any* outcome at the draft. Give the players all the info they need to have, and then let them make their own decisions.Catintheheat wrote:Basketball players who don't want to go to college don't have to go. And people who like school and want to work on their skills have a place to go. I think it is win-win.
This is spot on.Beachcat97 wrote:Yep. I don't think there should be any barriers to these players' ambitions and opportunities. If an NBA team will draft them out of HS, that's exactly what they should do. The NBA can provide a social service by offering counseling to players and their families, educating them about the business of the NBA and encouraging them to prepare for *any* outcome at the draft. Give the players all the info they need to have, and then let them make their own decisions.Catintheheat wrote:Basketball players who don't want to go to college don't have to go. And people who like school and want to work on their skills have a place to go. I think it is win-win.
But...if they do choose college, they've gotta be accountable. College means forgoing (or just delaying) being a pro. The current system allows pro interests to infect and interfere with college sports. It's not working.
BBQ wildcat wrote:Miller to Xavier is a done deal, right Bosy? Bosy is so absolutely sure it will go down that he is only asking for 10 - 1 odds.
Kansans are the least attractive people on earth. I think it's the product of inbreeding since no one moves there.ASUHATER! wrote:Arizona and KU probably both offered Ayton the same amount of $$, it's just why spend your brief college career in Lawrence with that campus and those women when you could be in Tucson with our coeds.Spaceman Spiff wrote:If he negotiated $100,000 for Ayton, he's about the cleanest coach in the nation. I'm pretty sure KU offered Ayton more than 100k.enfuego wrote:I don't think the question is whether Miller is a great coach - I think he is. The question is does he cheat? I think where there is smoke there is fire. Do you reward that with letting him be the face of your program?azgreg wrote:
So young and innocent and naive....CatFanOneMil wrote:You know, I'm fed up to the ears with all the bullshit talk about teams paying players to come to a school and how that Miller is just a better cheater than the others...I'm calling it for what it is...BULL FUCKING SHIT...there is no damn evidence of it, and as much as I hate some of the other programs out there, there is no real evidence this is a systemic issue in college basketball...we just all WANT it ti be, but there is little to no real proof that any of this actually happens...
Sure you get the one-offs...and occasionally an NBA player will say some shit about it happening but the truth is we have no real evidence out side of a few investigations of "pay-me-for-access-later"...
The idea that Kansas and other schools offered more for Ayton and we won the bidding war is just fucking hearsay, not a shred of evidence to it at all...
I'm done with it, its moronic and lacks actual proof.
Yea you keep saying this and the proof keeps not being there, its like saying you almost saw bigfoot therefore I should believe.ASUHATER! wrote:So young and innocent and naive....CatFanOneMil wrote:You know, I'm fed up to the ears with all the bullshit talk about teams paying players to come to a school and how that Miller is just a better cheater than the others...I'm calling it for what it is...BULL FUCKING SHIT...there is no damn evidence of it, and as much as I hate some of the other programs out there, there is no real evidence this is a systemic issue in college basketball...we just all WANT it ti be, but there is little to no real proof that any of this actually happens...
Sure you get the one-offs...and occasionally an NBA player will say some shit about it happening but the truth is we have no real evidence out side of a few investigations of "pay-me-for-access-later"...
The idea that Kansas and other schools offered more for Ayton and we won the bidding war is just fucking hearsay, not a shred of evidence to it at all...
I'm done with it, its moronic and lacks actual proof.
Everyone cheats. Get over it.
Pretty aggressive take to compare college basketball recruits getting paid after the FBI conducted a major investigation with tons of public information on college basketball recruits getting paid to being as unlikely as seeing Bigfoot.CatFanOneMil wrote:Yea you keep saying this and the proof keeps not being there, its like saying you almost saw bigfoot therefore I should believe.ASUHATER! wrote:So young and innocent and naive....CatFanOneMil wrote:You know, I'm fed up to the ears with all the bullshit talk about teams paying players to come to a school and how that Miller is just a better cheater than the others...I'm calling it for what it is...BULL FUCKING SHIT...there is no damn evidence of it, and as much as I hate some of the other programs out there, there is no real evidence this is a systemic issue in college basketball...we just all WANT it ti be, but there is little to no real proof that any of this actually happens...
Sure you get the one-offs...and occasionally an NBA player will say some shit about it happening but the truth is we have no real evidence out side of a few investigations of "pay-me-for-access-later"...
The idea that Kansas and other schools offered more for Ayton and we won the bidding war is just fucking hearsay, not a shred of evidence to it at all...
I'm done with it, its moronic and lacks actual proof.
Everyone cheats. Get over it.
And for the record I a probably older than you.
My oldest went to UA over 10 years ago.
I completely agree with this. And I think it is already too late. Whether Miller is guilty of any wrongdoing? I don't know that. But the perception he's a shady coach is going to be impossible to reverse. Personally I think he should have already stepped down so the program can at least have a chance of rebuilding sooner than later. If he's innocent I like others have said will eat crow. I just don't see any positives coming out of Sean Miller remaining as head coach at this point. I really like Miller but that's irrelevant. I think some careless reporting played into Miller's favor by gaining him leverage from a legal perspective. Otherwise I think he would have already resigned or been fired.TatetheGreat wrote:Even if you think players should be getting paid, you should not be okay with paying Ayton to come here. The sanctions could bury this program, especially since we reinstated Miller. Yes, coaches have cheated for years but that doesn't mean it's worth it. No fan base wants to win and vacate. We want to hang the banner with pride. Ask Louisville, Michigan, or UCLA for that matter.
Also, those of you expecting the blue bloods to go down are going to be sorely disappointed. UK, UNC, and Duke don't have to bribe recruits, so don't hold your breath for an ESPN story on Bagley, Barrett, etc. Since we are not on that top echelon, we have to win like Jay Wright at Villanova. Recruit guys who will stay multiple seasons and create a winning culture. I hope Miller understands this now, but it might be too late.
It's the players, not the system. We need more Kevin Parroms. Harlem nastiness. Defense is exciting when executed, smothering, and suffocating. Run & Gun is Steve Alford. No discipline. Let loose, slack on defense, no accountability, requires a coach to look like Randy Travis.Bordercat wrote:Here is the thing:
1. I'm tired of the post dominant approach. Give me guards, good guards.
2. I'm tired of the pack-line. Damn if a zone with Ayton and Ristic on the blocks wouldn't have helped against Buffalo.
3. I'm tired of Miller always being so damn uptight and serious. I love Calipari's demeanor. I think the fun rubs off. I want to see our kids having fun again.
I think Miller is a great coach and if he stays at AZ I will be happy. But he needs to change. If we found somebody who was fun, run and gun, good recruiter and coach. It might be good for our program.
I don't want everything to change but look what Duke was able to do this year on d.Chicat wrote:So you think Miller is a good coach and want him to stay but you want him to change pretty much everything and if he was fired or quit you think it would be a good thing. Do I have that right?
If by "tons" you mean 1 FBI media frenzy, 1 Yahoo Sports article and 1 ESPN completely made up bullshit tweet...lets do the math...Newportcat wrote:Pretty aggressive take to compare college basketball recruits getting paid after the FBI conducted a major investigation with tons of public information on college basketball recruits getting paid to being as unlikely as seeing Bigfoot.CatFanOneMil wrote:Yea you keep saying this and the proof keeps not being there, its like saying you almost saw bigfoot therefore I should believe.ASUHATER! wrote:So young and innocent and naive....CatFanOneMil wrote:You know, I'm fed up to the ears with all the bullshit talk about teams paying players to come to a school and how that Miller is just a better cheater than the others...I'm calling it for what it is...BULL FUCKING SHIT...there is no damn evidence of it, and as much as I hate some of the other programs out there, there is no real evidence this is a systemic issue in college basketball...we just all WANT it ti be, but there is little to no real proof that any of this actually happens...
Sure you get the one-offs...and occasionally an NBA player will say some shit about it happening but the truth is we have no real evidence out side of a few investigations of "pay-me-for-access-later"...
The idea that Kansas and other schools offered more for Ayton and we won the bidding war is just fucking hearsay, not a shred of evidence to it at all...
I'm done with it, its moronic and lacks actual proof.
Everyone cheats. Get over it.
And for the record I a probably older than you.
My oldest went to UA over 10 years ago.
Well, we did have a packline team in the final four too.Beachcat97 wrote:Teams that occasionally use a zone: Michigan, Kansas, Duke.
And then there’s Syracuse who only uses a zone.
I get the whole “do what we do” thing, but it’s hard to sit idly by, year after year, and watch teams have success in the tourney with zone defense while AZ approaches 20 years without a FF.
Well first of all the amount of "systemic" needs to be greatly downgraded...Miller said that THE ONE TIME SOMEONE OFFERED MONEY...Spaceman Spiff wrote:Well, we did have a packline team in the final four too.Beachcat97 wrote:Teams that occasionally use a zone: Michigan, Kansas, Duke.
And then there’s Syracuse who only uses a zone.
I get the whole “do what we do” thing, but it’s hard to sit idly by, year after year, and watch teams have success in the tourney with zone defense while AZ approaches 20 years without a FF.
For CatFan1Mil, so far there are recorded statements discussing paying players, spreadsheets detailing how players got paid and emails discussing paying players. You have a public statement from the FBI that 150k is a going rate. Numerous FBI probe players missed games, a season for Brian Bowen. What level of proof would you consider sufficient?
