let's talk '19

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:54 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Nico could even be a lotto pick.

I think it’s reasonable to assume he and JG are OAD. It sucks, but that’s the game you play with elite freshmen. There’s a heightened urgency to win immediately. Previous Miller teams have thrived with elite freshmen: Gordon, SJ, Lauri, Ayton. It’ll just be a matter of whether the rest of the roster is good enough to have the success we’re envisioning.

Probably covered elsewhere, but how likely is it that we see a three guard starting unit next season with NM, JG and BW? Those three plus Jeter and one more big would seem to be our best 5. How good is Stone Gettings?

I guarantee NM, BW, and JG start next year.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:56 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Nico could even be a lotto pick.

I think it’s reasonable to assume he and JG are OAD. It sucks, but that’s the game you play with elite freshmen. There’s a heightened urgency to win immediately. Previous Miller teams have thrived with elite freshmen: Gordon, SJ, Lauri, Ayton. It’ll just be a matter of whether the rest of the roster is good enough to have the success we’re envisioning.

Probably covered elsewhere, but how likely is it that we see a three guard starting unit next season with NM, JG and BW? Those three plus Jeter and one more big would seem to be our best 5. How good is Stone Gettings?
I guarantee NM, BW, and JG start next year.

Yeah. I mean, those are unquestionably our best three guards. I was just wondering if we had a different option at that 3 spot.

NM
JG
BW
IL
CJ

Or could Zeke or Stone challenge for a starting spot? I actually think Ira is going to be much better next year, surrounded with smarter, better offensive players. Ira could be a Bennet Davison-type player if things shake out the right way.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:07 pm

I have heard Nico would stay if he felt like he could improve his standing and get into the lottery if he was not there after next year.

Green is gone

Who knows but I have heard its not a foregone conclusion either him or Zeke leave. Obviously playing well next year would change that but then also that means we are probably good so

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:34 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Nico could even be a lotto pick.

I think it’s reasonable to assume he and JG are OAD. It sucks, but that’s the game you play with elite freshmen. There’s a heightened urgency to win immediately. Previous Miller teams have thrived with elite freshmen: Gordon, SJ, Lauri, Ayton. It’ll just be a matter of whether the rest of the roster is good enough to have the success we’re envisioning.

Probably covered elsewhere, but how likely is it that we see a three guard starting unit next season with NM, JG and BW? Those three plus Jeter and one more big would seem to be our best 5. How good is Stone Gettings?
I guarantee NM, BW, and JG start next year.
Yeah. I mean, those are unquestionably are best three guards. I was just wondering if we had a different option at that 3 spot.

NM
JG
BW
IL
CJ

Or could Zeke or Stone challenge for a starting spot? I actually think Ira is going to be much better next year, surrounded with smarter, better offensive players. Ira could be a Bennet Davison-type player if things shake out the right way.

Starting to have concerns about Chase Jeter coming back next year after this injury scare for him...just don't have a good feeling about it.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:38 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Nico could even be a lotto pick.

I think it’s reasonable to assume he and JG are OAD. It sucks, but that’s the game you play with elite freshmen. There’s a heightened urgency to win immediately. Previous Miller teams have thrived with elite freshmen: Gordon, SJ, Lauri, Ayton. It’ll just be a matter of whether the rest of the roster is good enough to have the success we’re envisioning.

Probably covered elsewhere, but how likely is it that we see a three guard starting unit next season with NM, JG and BW? Those three plus Jeter and one more big would seem to be our best 5. How good is Stone Gettings?
I guarantee NM, BW, and JG start next year.
Yeah. I mean, those are unquestionably our best three guards. I was just wondering if we had a different option at that 3 spot.

NM
JG
BW
IL
CJ

Or could Zeke or Stone challenge for a starting spot? I actually think Ira is going to be much better next year, surrounded with smarter, better offensive players. Ira could be a Bennet Davison-type player if things shake out the right way.

I'd assume Gettings or Nnaji will be your starting 4 man next year.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:53 pm

Gettings must be better than I realize.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:07 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Gettings must be better than I realize.

Certainly hope he is!

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:28 pm

Mannion #8
Green #13

https://www.nbadraft.net/2020mock_draft" target="_blank

ESPN had Green #7 Mannion #17

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:54 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
I'd assume Gettings or Nnaji will be your starting 4 man next year.

CCC would you expect Ira to come back? Feels like at minimum he would have 20min a game whether off the bench or starting.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:37 pm

baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
I'd assume Gettings or Nnaji will be your starting 4 man next year.
CCC would you expect Ira to come back? Feels like at minimum he would have 20min a game whether off the bench or starting.

At this moment yes.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:24 pm

Is getting better than Ira Lee? Who would he be compared to? I hope he's better than Luther...

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:42 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
I'd assume Gettings or Nnaji will be your starting 4 man next year.
CCC would you expect Ira to come back? Feels like at minimum he would have 20min a game whether off the bench or starting.
At this moment yes.

Ira is growing into one of my favorite players. Really want him to play four years and graduate. Reminds of a Lute Era player. Someone who plays significant minutes, seldom starts, and has plenty of memorable and impacting moments.

It seems to me they have been working with him on a baseline jumper. If he can perfect that 10 foot baseline jumper and just be a junkyard dog... he will get more than his share of PT.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:42 pm

billk78 wrote:Is getting better than Ira Lee? Who would he be compared to? I hope he's better than Luther...

My thought is either Miller decides to go with experience (Gettings) or talent (Nnaji). Both can equally stretch the floor, although Gettings may be better there. Miller may just go with the guy who best compliments the starting 5, which theoretically should be Jeter. Lee is literally best as a back up 5 man honestly.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:32 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:25 pm

Can’t wait to see that kid play at McKale.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:13 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:

A midcourt angle:

Awesome.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:58 am

When he does that in the tourney for Arizona, he’ll get called for an offensive foul.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:14 am

They get better attendance than most PAC teams

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:19 am

Merkin wrote:They get better attendance than most PAC teams

Better talent too.

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:50 am

Chicat wrote:
Merkin wrote:They get better attendance than most PAC teams
Better talent too.

And better results

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:30 am

https://twitter.com/BFlinnElevate/statu ... 9879168000" target="_blank

If Jeter leaves, wouldn't mind replacing him with Ballo if there's any way we can pry him away from Gonzaga...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:38 am

goslingswagg wrote:https://twitter.com/BFlinnElevate/statu ... 9879168000

If Jeter leaves, wouldn't mind replacing him with Ballo if there's any way we can pry him away from Gonzaga...

The one comment on that tweet....of course.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:57 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:https://twitter.com/BFlinnElevate/statu ... 9879168000

If Jeter leaves, wouldn't mind replacing him with Ballo if there's any way we can pry him away from Gonzaga...
The one comment on that tweet....of course.

Classssssic. Those jokes never get old!

MC1983 · Post by **MC1983** » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:48 pm

goslingswagg wrote:https://twitter.com/BFlinnElevate/statu ... 9879168000

If Jeter leaves, wouldn't mind replacing him with Ballo if there's any way we can pry him away from Gonzaga...

How about we land him and keep Jeter for another year.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:23 am

MC1983 wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:https://twitter.com/BFlinnElevate/statu ... 9879168000

If Jeter leaves, wouldn't mind replacing him with Ballo if there's any way we can pry him away from Gonzaga...

How about we land him and keep Jeter for another year.

That would be great, but I would guess that he wouldn't come here if Jeter is coming back...too crowded of a front court. Someone in the know can correct me if I'm wrong on that though.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:33 pm

MC1983 wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:https://twitter.com/BFlinnElevate/statu ... 9879168000

If Jeter leaves, wouldn't mind replacing him with Ballo if there's any way we can pry him away from Gonzaga...

How about we land him and keep Jeter for another year.

Let's keep Jeter and then see what happens. Keeping Jeter is imperative.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:05 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
MC1983 wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:https://twitter.com/BFlinnElevate/statu ... 9879168000

If Jeter leaves, wouldn't mind replacing him with Ballo if there's any way we can pry him away from Gonzaga...

How about we land him and keep Jeter for another year.
Let's keep Jeter and then see what happens. Keeping Jeter is imperative.

Wholeheartedly agree.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:46 am

good bye #1 recruiting class and any chance that 19 was going to be a good year for AZ Basketball.

azcat34 · Post by **azcat34** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:50 am

This is going to be a pretty depressing thread pretty soon.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:48 am

Assuming we find some way to escape the NCAA/FBI jungle we may still have a shot at Ballo

https://247sports.com/college/basketbal ... 128837727/" target="_blank

Ballo previously told 247Sports that his list of schools also included Arizona and Baylor. He said on Thursday that he would still like to take an official visit to Arizona, although a date has been scheduled.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:54 pm

Some good news about Mannion and his desire to play for Miller.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ ... 812854002/

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:27 pm

I wouldn't start panicking yet, guys.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:22 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:I wouldn't start panicking yet, guys.

Too late.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:32 pm

Fucking rollercoaster

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:43 pm

Green says he will wear #0 at AZ

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:13 pm

Jefe wrote:Green says he will wear #0 at AZ

I wouldn’t mind another Agent 0. I really would like a sharpshooter and that sharpshooter to put on #20. And NM has my blessing to put on 10 too

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:08 am

Frybry02 wrote:
Jefe wrote:I really would like a sharpshooter

I will just settle for a shooter....

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:26 pm

EastCoastCat wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:
Jefe wrote:I really would like a sharpshooter
I will just settle for a shooter....

Randolph is a shooter, too. His shots just don't go in.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:30 pm

zonagrad wrote:
EastCoastCat wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:
Jefe wrote:I really would like a sharpshooter
I will just settle for a shooter....
Randolph is a shooter, too. His shots just don't go in.

I bet his shots go in if his feet aren't moving. There's a metric somewhere but I'm not going to dredge it up.

FreeSpiritCat · Post by **FreeSpiritCat** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:06 am

dovecanyoncat wrote:
zonagrad wrote:
EastCoastCat wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:
Jefe wrote:I really would like a sharpshooter
I will just settle for a shooter....
Randolph is a shooter, too. His shots just don't go in.
I bet his shots go in if his feet aren't moving. There's a metric somewhere but I'm not going to dredge it up.

This is what I noticed. He doesn’t set his feet when shooting. The only shots a player can make without being set are layups and floaters. And floaters take a lot of practice. If a shooter is moving horizontally around 3-point range it is nearly impossible to make a shot. Randolph seems to lack fundamental skills of setting his feet when shooting, something he should have learned long ago. He may have good athleticism and potential, however, how teachable is he?

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:15 am

It's more about balance than just setting your feet - your feet can be set but you are falling back or sideways and that can be the difference.

I actually think he has a good technical stroke and have seen him take plenty of good shots. You hear CSM talk a lot about "confidence" and you'd be amazed how much that actually plays into how well a player shoots.

Some guys can do it in practice but not in games (Barcello) so not sure what Randolph's problem is.

Not sure how hard he works in practice but if I were him I would add another 500 practice shots a day. Sometimes it's just that simple.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:32 am

Yeah, his stroke looks good, but if he's in transition, is dribbling or moving in any way such that he has to engage that thing between his ears he just makes me cringe. Set plays or shots made from 3 off someone else's drive and kick, FTs, if he knows beforehand exactly what's coming, are good shots for him. All the rest...oh brother.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:36 am

But he's going to kill it for the rest of the season.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:57 am

Catintheheat wrote:. Randolph seems to lack fundamental skills of setting his feet when shooting, something he should have learned long ago. He may have good athleticism and potential, however, how teachable is he?

See, this is something that bugs me. It almost sounds like a recruiting failure. It's very risky offering scholarships to players who lack these fundamentals, and it feels like we've had a lot of them lately. Randolph and Akot for sure. I even think Rawle left a lot to be desired fundamentally. Every time he dribbled I got nervous.

I wonder if our coaches become enamored with sheer athleticism to the neglect of things like shooting form, dribbling, defensive positioning, boxing out, etc. If a player hasn't developed a basic skill level in these areas before college, he's always going to be struggling to catch up, which is what I think we're seeing with Randolph.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:19 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
Catintheheat wrote:. Randolph seems to lack fundamental skills of setting his feet when shooting, something he should have learned long ago. He may have good athleticism and potential, however, how teachable is he?
See, this is something that bugs me. It almost sounds like a recruiting failure. It's very risky offering scholarships to players who lack these fundamentals, and it feels like we've had a lot of them lately. Randolph and Akot for sure. I even think Rawle left a lot to be desired fundamentally. Every time he dribbled I got nervous.

I wonder if our coaches become enamored with sheer athleticism to the neglect of things like shooting form, dribbling, defensive positioning, boxing out, etc. If a player hasn't developed a basic skill level in these areas before college, he's always going to be struggling to catch up, which is what I think we're seeing with Randolph.

Yeah, we need more guys like Barcello, who have shooting form nailed down.

At 17, there aren't a ton of guys who have fundamentals and athleticism both. Name me how many freshmen in this class have them? RJ Barrett was shooting 32% from 3 before he lit Virginia up.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:05 pm

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:10 pm

Koloko looks like he has pretty good hands in those highlights. Looks like he has pretty quick twitch athleticism too.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:16 pm

Help is on the way.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:17 pm

The more I watch Armstrong, the more he reminds me of Randolph, hopefully with a better basketball IQ.

Koloko...he has some potential, but he needs to develop his body and maybe an offensive game outside layups and dunks.

Please just settle things with Miller, bring them in and next year will be like we're used to.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:34 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Please just settle things with Miller, bring them in and next year will be like we're used to.

The collective hope of Wildcat nation.

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