let's talk '19

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:01 am

Smith, be gone

Doutrive, damn.

I guess it makes sense if Miller thinks Baker is better and Baker can be a future Combo guard & 3&D player. Armstrong can also the play the 2, so a little less need and probably has a higher upside.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:04 am

NYCat wrote:Smith, be gone

Doutrive, damn.

I guess it makes sense if Miller thinks Baker is better and Baker can be a future Combo guard & 3&D player. Armstrong can also the play the 2, so a little less need and probably has a higher upside.

Doutrive and Baker are sort of opposites as players. Baker can shoot and defend, but doesn't do a ton else. Doutrive's D and shooting are big question marks, but he brings a lot of other things.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:06 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
NYCat wrote:Smith, be gone

Doutrive, damn.

I guess it makes sense if Miller thinks Baker is better and Baker can be a future Combo guard & 3&D player. Armstrong can also the play the 2, so a little less need and probably has a higher upside.
Doutrive and Baker are sort of opposites as players. Baker can shoot and defend, but doesn't do a ton else. Doutrive's D and shooting are big question marks, but he brings a lot of other things.

If Doutrive was pushed out it would have nothing to do with his play.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:32 am

I'd be bummed to see DD leave. Really hope TA sticks with us.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:36 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
NYCat wrote:Smith, be gone

Doutrive, damn.

I guess it makes sense if Miller thinks Baker is better and Baker can be a future Combo guard & 3&D player. Armstrong can also the play the 2, so a little less need and probably has a higher upside.
Doutrive and Baker are sort of opposites as players. Baker can shoot and defend, but doesn't do a ton else. Doutrive's D and shooting are big question marks, but he brings a lot of other things.
If Doutrive was pushed out it would have nothing to do with his play.

grades?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:38 am

goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
NYCat wrote:Smith, be gone

Doutrive, damn.

I guess it makes sense if Miller thinks Baker is better and Baker can be a future Combo guard & 3&D player. Armstrong can also the play the 2, so a little less need and probably has a higher upside.
Doutrive and Baker are sort of opposites as players. Baker can shoot and defend, but doesn't do a ton else. Doutrive's D and shooting are big question marks, but he brings a lot of other things.
If Doutrive was pushed out it would have nothing to do with his play.
grades?

Nope.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:40 am

Playing time isn't it? He wouldn't have returned if Randolph returned. Baker & Armstrong can play the 2.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:41 am

Is Randolph definitely gone?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 10:15 am

NYCat wrote:Playing time isn't it? He wouldn't have returned if Randolph returned. Baker & Armstrong can play the 2.

It'd be more on our end than his.

Beachcat97 wrote:Is Randolph definitely gone?

Yes.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 10:40 am

NYCat wrote:Final 247 rankings are out

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Baske ... HighSchool" target="_blank

Updated rankings:

#8 Nico Mannion -- moved up 3 spots
#17 Josh Green -- no change
#39 Zeke Nnaji -- dropped 4 spots
#72 Terry Armstrong -- dropped 3 spots
#88 Christian Koloko -- moved up 2 spots

And Arizona has the #1 recruiting class again (composite), beating Duke (by .01 pts). But probably won't last very long.

#2 team recruiting class on 247s rankings

Final Rivals rankings

https://rvls.co/2019-RR" target="_blank

#12 Nico Mannion -- up 2 spots
#13 Josh Green -- down 1 spot
#33 Zeke Nnaji -- down 3 spots
#66 Terry Armstrong -- down 6 spots
UR (3*) Christian Koloko -- Unranked in top 150

#3 team recruiting class ranking

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 11:41 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
NYCat wrote:Playing time isn't it? He wouldn't have returned if Randolph returned. Baker & Armstrong can play the 2.
It'd be more on our end than his.

Beachcat97 wrote:Is Randolph definitely gone?
Yes.

Didn't even get a draft combine invite, oh well

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:19 pm

This whole "pushing players out" business isn't fun for me. Do we do this often? Who was most recently pushed out by Miller?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:22 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:This whole "pushing players out" business isn't fun for me. Do we do this often? Who was most recently pushed out by Miller?

Probably Kobi.

Remember Miller took who he could get this past recruiting class. Things don't always work out between both parties when they're kind of forced together in the first place, when they normally wouldn't be.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:24 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:This whole "pushing players out" business isn't fun for me. Do we do this often? Who was most recently pushed out by Miller?

I go back and forth. If a player isn't in Miller's future plans, is it better to keep him, recruit over him and bury him or to push him out?

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:31 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:This whole "pushing players out" business isn't fun for me. Do we do this often? Who was most recently pushed out by Miller?
Probably Kobi.

Remember Miller took who he could get this past recruiting class. Things don't always work out between both parties when they're kind of forced together in the first place, when they normally wouldn't be.

Are you saying Kobi wanted to/would have stay(ed) ? I was under the impression he did not want to even be at school.. just no better options.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:43 pm

baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:This whole "pushing players out" business isn't fun for me. Do we do this often? Who was most recently pushed out by Miller?
Probably Kobi.

Remember Miller took who he could get this past recruiting class. Things don't always work out between both parties when they're kind of forced together in the first place, when they normally wouldn't be.
Are you saying Kobi wanted to/would have stay(ed) ? I was under the impression he did not want to even be at school.. just no better options.

Yeah to be fair Kobi is a stretch. If he wanted to have stayed I don't think he would've been welcomed back though that's for sure.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Wed May 08, 2019 1:48 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Remember Miller took who he could get this past recruiting class. Things don't always work out between both parties when they're kind of forced together in the first place, when they normally wouldn't be.

Good point. Omar Thielemans is already gone and Williams is the only commit from the original targeted class.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed May 08, 2019 2:27 pm

Very good sign.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Wed May 08, 2019 2:57 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Very good sign.

Love it...letsgo. Is the sell to Terry that he can be a star in 2020? Or are we telling him he still has a chance at legit minutes this year?

StickItInTheyFace · Post by **StickItInTheyFace** » Thu May 09, 2019 6:53 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:This whole "pushing players out" business isn't fun for me. Do we do this often? Who was most recently pushed out by Miller?
I go back and forth. If a player isn't in Miller's future plans, is it better to keep him, recruit over him and bury him or to push him out?

I don't understand why Doutrive would be the one to be pushed out. We have a walk on with a scholarship and Barcello, who I don't see having any minutes in this next year and would be surprised if he played significant minutes in his Senior year. If we needed to make room, I think there are much more obvious options than a player who we saw a lot of potential from in his Freshmen year.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu May 09, 2019 9:29 am

Fuck yeah, TA!

Oh this team is gonna be nasty. I imagine many dunks and many wins.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu May 09, 2019 10:15 am

StickItInTheyFace wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:This whole "pushing players out" business isn't fun for me. Do we do this often? Who was most recently pushed out by Miller?
I go back and forth. If a player isn't in Miller's future plans, is it better to keep him, recruit over him and bury him or to push him out?
I don't understand why Doutrive would be the one to be pushed out. We have a walk on with a scholarship and Barcello, who I don't see having any minutes in this next year and would be surprised if he played significant minutes in his Senior year. If we needed to make room, I think there are much more obvious options than a player who we saw a lot of potential from in his Freshmen year.

Desjardins doesn't factor into the scholarship count, he's losing it

1. Jeter
2. Gettings
3. Lee
4. Barcello
5. Williams
6. Hazzard
7. Koloko
8. Mannion
9. Green
10. Nnaji
11. Armstrong
12. Doutrive/Jemarl Baker
13. Smith/Jordan Brown

Barcello doesn't seem to care he'll get little playing time so he's not transferring.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 09, 2019 10:22 am

StickItInTheyFace wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:This whole "pushing players out" business isn't fun for me. Do we do this often? Who was most recently pushed out by Miller?
I go back and forth. If a player isn't in Miller's future plans, is it better to keep him, recruit over him and bury him or to push him out?
I don't understand why Doutrive would be the one to be pushed out. We have a walk on with a scholarship and Barcello, who I don't see having any minutes in this next year and would be surprised if he played significant minutes in his Senior year. If we needed to make room, I think there are much more obvious options than a player who we saw a lot of potential from in his Freshmen year.

Sometimes guys aren't a fit for reasons other than their basketball skills sadly to say.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri May 10, 2019 11:19 am

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri May 10, 2019 11:22 am

NYCat wrote:

Biggest competition here is actually Nevada (yet again).

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri May 10, 2019 11:30 am

lol

Seriously, I guess not having to sit out a year is a big draw

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri May 10, 2019 11:37 am

NYCat wrote:lol

Seriously, I guess not having to sit out a year is a big draw

lol that's pretty much it. He may be eligible to play next year regardless (with a waiver for Musselman bailing), but there will be less competition for PT at Nevada than there would be at Arizona next season.

A1RZONA · Post by **A1RZONA** » Fri May 10, 2019 11:46 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
NYCat wrote:lol

Seriously, I guess not having to sit out a year is a big draw
lol that's pretty much it. He may be eligible to play next year regardless (with a waiver for Musselman bailing), but there will be less competition for PT at Nevada than there would be at Arizona next season.

pretty unlikely he'd commit on his visit given this info?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri May 10, 2019 11:50 am

A1RZONA wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
NYCat wrote:lol

Seriously, I guess not having to sit out a year is a big draw
lol that's pretty much it. He may be eligible to play next year regardless (with a waiver for Musselman bailing), but there will be less competition for PT at Nevada than there would be at Arizona next season.
pretty unlikely he'd commit on his visit given this info?

I put nothing past our bruja of a coach, but I wouldn't expect it.

A1RZONA · Post by **A1RZONA** » Fri May 10, 2019 12:22 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
A1RZONA wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
NYCat wrote:lol

Seriously, I guess not having to sit out a year is a big draw
lol that's pretty much it. He may be eligible to play next year regardless (with a waiver for Musselman bailing), but there will be less competition for PT at Nevada than there would be at Arizona next season.
pretty unlikely he'd commit on his visit given this info?
I put nothing past our bruja of a coach, but I wouldn't expect it.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri May 10, 2019 12:48 pm

Does he want to play C tho? That's where's he needed, not only this year if Jeter goes through injuries or next year if he doesn't get a waiver.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Fri May 10, 2019 1:02 pm

Parrish has the Cats at #15.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -25-and-1/" target="_blank

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Fri May 10, 2019 1:17 pm

Irish27 wrote:Parrish has the Cats at #15.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -25-and-1/" target="_blank

What am I missing with Kansas? How are they a top 5 team? They were not good last year, they are losing almost all of their production and are bringing in the 6th best recruiting class in the Big 12.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri May 10, 2019 1:58 pm

gronk4heisman wrote:
Irish27 wrote:Parrish has the Cats at #15.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -25-and-1/" target="_blank
What am I missing with Kansas? How are they a top 5 team? They were not good last year, they are losing almost all of their production and are bringing in the 6th best recruiting class in the Big 12.

They're going to land R.J. Hampton which will bump up their recruiting class considerably.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri May 10, 2019 2:35 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
Irish27 wrote:Parrish has the Cats at #15.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -25-and-1/" target="_blank
What am I missing with Kansas? How are they a top 5 team? They were not good last year, they are losing almost all of their production and are bringing in the 6th best recruiting class in the Big 12.
They're going to land R.J. Hampton which will bump up their recruiting class considerably.

A bump, yes. But they're not a top 5 team. That's poppycock.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Fri May 10, 2019 3:54 pm

Well Parrish is a doofenschmirtz who thinks Miller and Wade will not make it to 2021 and that self will still be at Kansas.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat May 11, 2019 8:37 am

Juzang to UK.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat May 11, 2019 8:45 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Juzang to UK.

They're landing Jaden McDaniels too.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat May 11, 2019 8:52 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Juzang to UK.
They're landing Jaden McDaniels too.

Typical UK fashion. Their #1 classes tend to materialize very late in the cycle. Nothing suspicious about that, though. Nothing at all.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat May 11, 2019 8:55 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Juzang to UK.
They're landing Jaden McDaniels too.
Typical UK fashion. Their #1 classes tend to materialize very late in the cycle. Nothing suspicious about that, though. Nothing at all.

Memphis as well is about to land 3 top 50 guys at the very end of the cycle.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat May 11, 2019 9:17 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Juzang to UK.
They're landing Jaden McDaniels too.
Typical UK fashion. Their #1 classes tend to materialize very late in the cycle. Nothing suspicious about that, though. Nothing at all.
Memphis as well is about to land 3 top 50 guys at the very end of the cycle.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Memphis is scary at all. These former NBA guys trying their hand at college coaching have not done well: Patrick Ewing, Avery Johnson, Chris Mullin.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat May 11, 2019 2:03 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Juzang to UK.
They're landing Jaden McDaniels too.
Typical UK fashion. Their #1 classes tend to materialize very late in the cycle. Nothing suspicious about that, though. Nothing at all.
Memphis as well is about to land 3 top 50 guys at the very end of the cycle.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Memphis is scary at all. These former NBA guys trying their hand at college coaching have not done well: Patrick Ewing, Avery Johnson, Chris Mullin.

Penny Hardaway at Memphis is actually great for us, he'll draw top level recruits that would otherwise go to UK/Duke/(east coast) but struggle to do anything with them. Good for us.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat May 11, 2019 7:58 pm

Per Scheer Jemarl Baker is on campus as well.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Sun May 12, 2019 4:40 pm

Here we go again with Terry...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun May 12, 2019 5:12 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Here we go again with Terry...

Relax.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun May 12, 2019 5:19 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Here we go again with Terry...

Because he tweeted “I’m coming home”?

Seems flimsy.

StickItInTheyFace · Post by **StickItInTheyFace** » Mon May 13, 2019 7:35 am

Any news on how Brown & Baker's visits went?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon May 13, 2019 9:24 am

Chicat wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Here we go again with Terry...
Because he tweeted “I’m coming home”?

Seems flimsy.

He really likes that Puffy song.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon May 13, 2019 10:52 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Here we go again with Terry...
Relax.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon May 13, 2019 11:46 am

StickItInTheyFace wrote:Any news on how Brown & Baker's visits went?

If I was a betting man I'd say we land both, but there's still some things at play to be worked through, so don't go celebrating yet.

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