(M) Game 13, Arizona vs St. John's (2019-2020)

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:11 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote: There is something wrong with this team right now. That much is clear. The shots they are taking are more often than not poor shots. I can’t really diagnose the issue, beyond the obvious decline in Mannion’s positive play.

How much further beyond Mannion do we really need to look? The offense is built more on prayers than execution. And the point guard himself is throwing garbage at the bucket instead of setting the tone. Again.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:12 pm

how did jeter foul him on that block?

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:16 pm

Maybe Adia should coach the men for awhile and see if she can fix things.

I'm not even joking.

oggoazcats · Post by **oggoazcats** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:17 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:Maybe Adia should coach the men for awhile and see if she can fix things.

I'm not even joking.

I would love that! Miller is out of gas here. Tired of it.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:18 pm

that green pass to jeter was great

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:18 pm

The only positive I've seen tonight is that Miller has gone to Baker instead of Dylan. Hopefully, that becomes a trend. Dylans minutes need to go down.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:18 pm

Much better this half. Let’s hope they can sustain it.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:19 pm

dmjcat wrote:The only positive I've seen tonight is that Miller has gone to Baker instead of Dylan. Hopefully, that becomes a trend. Dylans minutes need to go down.

Baker is the only UA player in the positive for +/-

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:20 pm

This team doesn't have it.

And it starts at the PG position.

Nico can't handle higher competition and athleticism. What's frustrating is he can get to the rim pretty easy (without the floaters) but he doesn't realize it. Instead he chooses to jack it up from deep, and it's rushed shots which are even worse.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:20 pm

Oregon blowing out Texas Southern by 2 with 2 minutes left in the half.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:21 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:Something has turned sour the last couple of games. It’s not just the shooting, which is just a symptom of it. I’m not smart enough to know what’s going on. I can see the appeal of pointing the finger at Miller. It’s an easy thing to do.
I mean it is his responsibility and this has been a fixture of his teams over the past 3 seasons.
I also don’t understand this comment. What has been a fixture? Poor offense? Like being a top 10 KenPom offense 2 years ago, and a top 15 this year (5th highest scoring in the NCAA)? Last year, John Wooden and the Pope couldn’t have done anything with that squad.

Atlantis two years ago. Pac 12 play last year. This year will be the 3 best teams we've played all in a row and shitty play.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:21 pm

Nice stemming of the negative momentum, but to be negative, I have no confidence in this team not to drop it in the sewer next.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:27 pm

green didn't need to take that 2nd shot so quickly after getting the ball back off the floor.

also, nice blocks Koloko

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:28 pm

Koloko is an impact rim protector

Unimaginable that he doesn't play more

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:29 pm

Longhorned wrote:Nice stemming of the negative momentum, but to be negative, I have no confidence in this team not to drop it in the sewer next.

sigh

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:30 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote:Koloko is an impact rim protector

Unimaginable that he doesn't play more

Especially with Jeter playing so poorly.

Do the Cats still have 3 freshmen going in the first round? Mannion and Green really falling down in pressure games. Nnaji with no stretch 4 game.

Wildcats whimpering per Walton.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:32 pm

Unreal.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:33 pm

Our program is D-E-A-D.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:34 pm

Plain and simple, we are not that good. Maybe average to good.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:34 pm

St. John's is just a much better team.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:35 pm

Why the fuck is Nico taking a ton of long 2s?

Good God man

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:35 pm

Another crack in the Miller foundation.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:35 pm

nico just stop shooting

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:36 pm

Miller needs to go back to quality 4 years players like he did at Xavier, instead of these one and dones.

3 true freshmen stars, along with 11 mid-major scrubs is not working.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:36 pm

Give me 4 freshmen and Baker.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:37 pm

Merkin wrote:Miller needs to go back to quality 4 years players like he did at Xavier, instead of these one and dones.

3 true freshmen stars, along with 11 mid-major scrubs is not working.

Halftime Chase Jeter is 0-3 with no rebounds

Dylan Smith is is scoreless with 4 turnovers and getting lit up.

Jemarl Baker has 2 points in 10 minutes.

Hazzard is 0-3

It's the upperclassmen who have failed this team.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:38 pm

Longhorned wrote:St. John's is just a much better team.

Much more disciplined for sure.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:39 pm

I feel like I need to get used to Nico Mannion because he's looking like a Mustafa Shakur-level recruiting miss. Not NBA-bound. Study hard, young man.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:40 pm

Merkin wrote:Miller needs to go back to quality 4 years players like he did at Xavier, instead of these one and dones.

3 true freshmen stars, along with 11 mid-major scrubs is not working.

We've been saying it for years. If you're going to play Bennett ball, recruit mid-major guys. But you're coaching at Arizona and pulling 5* recruits, so you'd better be able to coach to their strengths. Miller never does.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:40 pm

we need to start closing this lead real fast

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:41 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:Something has turned sour the last couple of games. It’s not just the shooting, which is just a symptom of it. I’m not smart enough to know what’s going on. I can see the appeal of pointing the finger at Miller. It’s an easy thing to do.
I mean it is his responsibility and this has been a fixture of his teams over the past 3 seasons.
I also don’t understand this comment. What has been a fixture? Poor offense? Like being a top 10 KenPom offense 2 years ago, and a top 15 this year (5th highest scoring in the NCAA)? Last year, John Wooden and the Pope couldn’t have done anything with that squad.
Atlantis two years ago. Pac 12 play last year. This year will be the 3 best teams we've played all in a row and shitty play.

At somepoint that has to fall on Miller.

DWWD

Thoroughbreds shoe-horned into a mid-major system at a resource rich power 5 program.

smdh.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:42 pm

1 for 12 from 3.

for fucks sake lets keep shootin

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:43 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:we need to start closing this gap real fast

I'm sure we will with 1 minute to go.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:43 pm

Another stinker. Definitely not a top 25 team.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:43 pm

Longhorned wrote:St. John's is just a much better team.

You mean they actually have a creative coach who maximizes the talent his has and puts them in a position to win?

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:44 pm

The most maddening thing for me is watching Millers 70/80's mid-major pass the ball around the perimeter while everyone stands still offense.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:44 pm

How can a zone defense be so effective vs this team and it's personnel

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:44 pm

Longhorned wrote:I feel like I need to get used to Nico Mannion because he's looking like a Mustafa Shakur-level recruiting miss. Not NBA-bound. Study hard, young man.

I think NYK or some dysfunctional franchise will take him on a prayer. He's mostly hype at this point.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:44 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Miller needs to go back to quality 4 years players like he did at Xavier, instead of these one and dones.

3 true freshmen stars, along with 11 mid-major scrubs is not working.
We've been saying it for years. If you're going to play Bennett ball, recruit mid-major guys. But you're coaching at Arizona and pulling 5* recruits, so you'd better be able to coach to their strengths. Miller never does.

Ding ding ding ding ding.

nail hit on head.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:45 pm

mannion made a 3. knock me over with a feather

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:45 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:we need to start closing this gap real fast
I'm sure we will with 1 minute to go.

Thats about the time Miller will go small and start pressing (with 1 minute left)

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:45 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote:How can a zone defense be so effective vs this team and it's personnel

Zone has been affective again this team for 5-6 years.

THATS on Miller.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:47 pm

Has Smith played in the 2nd half?

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:48 pm

mannion made 2 in a row....

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:49 pm

84Cat wrote:Has Smith played in the 2nd half?

Thank God, no.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:49 pm

Honestly with this personnel and piss awful outside shooting, Miller should go full time full court press and pressure man defense.

Put your talent in a position to use it's athleticism to jump passing lanes and get easier shots at the rim in transition where a team can't zone.

Shouldn't be playing packline at all

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:50 pm

WildcatStunner wrote:Another stinker. Definitely not a top 25 team.

Another first round exit team, with 3 first round players.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:50 pm

Amazing how Miller won at Xavier with mid-major talent with an antiquated offense that just passed the ball around the perimeter. How did he do it? Witch.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:51 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:Amazing how Miller won with mid-major talent with antiquated offense that just passed the ball around the perimeter. How did he do it? Witch.

He was playing mid-majors.......God you are a Genius

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:52 pm

This feels like the millionth time we've tried to make a comeback.

It's not happening.

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