The 2019-2020 Season Thread

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:22 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:What I meant is that I'm not sure whether wins over Cal and Stanford *improve* our seed or just keep us at about a six. Winning two games this week may just be treading water. Losing one or both means feeling our arms and legs getting heavy.

Other teams are losing to teams they shouldn't. So yes, just winning can improve your seed. Louisville just lost to Georgia Tech. That's the equivalent of losing to Cal.Rutgers lost to Ohio State, etc....

Keep winning and the tide will go out with other teams falling by the wayside. The most important game left on the schedule is Oregon at McKale. That's a high profile win. But all of them matter.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:41 pm

zonagrad wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:What I meant is that I'm not sure whether wins over Cal and Stanford *improve* our seed or just keep us at about a six. Winning two games this week may just be treading water. Losing one or both means feeling our arms and legs getting heavy.
Other teams are losing to teams they shouldn't. So yes, just winning can improve your seed. Louisville just lost to Georgia Tech. That's the equivalent of losing to Cal.Rutgers lost to Ohio State, etc....

Keep winning and the tide will go out with other teams falling by the wayside. The most important game left on the schedule is Oregon at McKale. That's a high profile win. But all of them matter.

You're right, zg. All wins help; all losses hurt. Still a ton of games before Selection Sunday, and a lot can change.

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:37 pm

We getting a lineup change tonight?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:39 pm

NickyBCats wrote:We getting a lineup change tonight?

Baker starting over Smith

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:41 pm

Merkin wrote:
NickyBCats wrote:We getting a lineup change tonight?
Baker starting over Smith

Baker better D up. And not just tonight.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:15 pm

Nice to see Smith make some buckets

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:57 am

Couldn't watch last night, but it sounds like they did their usual slow start followed by a few bursts of offense, and it was enough to keep Cal at bay. Smith made some shots against a horrible conference opponent, and now we'll wait to see if he can do that in back to back games.

If ASU won at Stanford last night, I'm thinking we should too.

The top 6 in the Pac are all still alive for the reg season title, amazingly. It's also crazy that we control our own fate. If we win out, we're Pac champs. Anyone think we'll win out?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:00 am

I am thinking 13-5

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:28 am

azcat49 wrote:I am thinking 13-5

With a loss to...? Oregon? USC? UCLA?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:32 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I am thinking 13-5
With a loss to...? Oregon? USC? UCLA?

It will probably be a team you don't expect.

I'm thinking Washington.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:30 pm

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:54 am

stanford game thread is up

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:36 pm

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:37 pm

There are now 2 road trip sweeps in the Pac this year... both by Arizona.

Weird season

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:41 pm

Revenge week coming up against the Oregon schools.

Really need a home sweep.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:44 pm

Great way to rebound from the UCLA debacle.

Starting UA guards were 5-20 from the field. That has to be fixed somehow before the P12/NCAA tourney or we are not going to get very far.

Time for some Beaver/Duck payback.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:47 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:One freaking game
How many bad losses have you said this after now? It's a pattern, not one game.

Even if we do sweep this week (not very likely), we're still not winning the conference, or the Pac 12 tournament, and we're out in the first week of the big dance. And you'll talk about next year, but what exactly is there to look forward to? The slow march to Miller losing his job?

Good call girl

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:58 pm

Guesses for our record over the final 6 games?

Any takers for 6-0?

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:17 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Guesses for our record over the final 6 games?

Any takers for 6-0?

5-1 is the best case scenario. I don't see us beating SC in LA. Worst case 3-3 with losses to SC, UCLA & Oregon. Right now with our shooting I'll go with 4-2. The LA trip is going to be tough

TheCat · Post by **TheCat** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:21 pm

azcat49 wrote:I am thinking 13-5

I think you are thinking a bit high.......13-5 will easily win the conference. I see us losing 2 more maybe 3.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:36 pm

How's the old Pac awards race looking?

POY? Pritchard?
COY? Boyle? Altman?
FOY? Stewart? Okongwu?

Dosia · Post by **Dosia** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:41 pm

Miller should be coach of the year if the cats manage to win the conference. Zeke is making a strong push for FOY as well.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:51 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
AZCatGirl wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:One freaking game
How many bad losses have you said this after now? It's a pattern, not one game.

Even if we do sweep this week (not very likely), we're still not winning the conference, or the Pac 12 tournament, and we're out in the first week of the big dance. And you'll talk about next year, but what exactly is there to look forward to? The slow march to Miller losing his job?
Good call girl

Nothing I said is wrong.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:58 pm

Curious to go back to last year’s posts about Washington’s Mike Hopkins. I’m guessing the staunchest critics of Miller were probably singing Hopkins’ praises a year ago.

Washington is 2-11 in the PAC, winless on the road. Losing Green can’t be the only excuse for a team some picked to contend for the conference title that’s now dead last. Anyone want to say Hopkins is better than Miller now? Anyone?

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:59 am

Beachcat97 wrote:How's the old Pac awards race looking?

POY? Pritchard?
COY? Boyle? Altman?
FOY? Stewart? Okongwu?

Preseason Pac-12 rankings:

Current rankings:
TEAMS CONFERENCE OVERALL
16 Colorado 9-4 20-6
17 Oregon 8-4 19-6
Arizona 8-4 18-7
Arizona State 7-4 16-8
USC 8-5 19-7
UCLA 8-5 15-11
Stanford 5-7 16-9
Utah 5-7 14-10
Oregon State 5-8 15-10
Washington State 5-8 14-12
California 4-7 10-14
Washington 2-11 12-14

If Arizona wins the conference, Miller deserves the award.
If ASU finishes top 3, poutin' Hurley deserves the award.
If Stanford can finish top 5, Haase gets it.

For POTY, I don't think anyone other than Pritchard can win it. He's bailed them out time and time again. Distant runner-ups in Martin (ASU goes boom or bust based on him) and Tinkle, Elleby's team is just not great.

For FOTY:
#3 recruit in the nation - Isaiah Stewart: 17.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 0.7 apg, 56.5% FG |Team Record: 12-14, played in 26 games
#25 recruit in the nation - Onyeka Okongwu: 16.4 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.1 apg, 60.9% FG |Team Record: 19-7, played in 23 games
#40 recruit in the nation - Zeke Nnaji: 16.6 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 0.8 apg, 60.2% FG |Team Record: 18-7, played in 25 games
#109 recruit in the nation - Tyrell Terry: 15.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 3.1 apg, 45% FG |Team Record: 16-9, played in 24 games

The 3 bigs are identical essentially, not sure who is most deserving, all 3 garner the opposing team's main focus with gameplanning

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Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:22 am

Next up: #RevengeWeek

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:36 am

azcat49 wrote:I am thinking 13-5

I'm thinking 11-7 with pending losses to Oregon, UCLA, and USC. I think we manage to win one game in the Pac tourney and get an 8 or 9 seed in the NCAA tournament. I won't rule out a 6 or 7 seed but our resume is so weak. And of course another one and done. DWWD

RaisingArizona · Post by **RaisingArizona** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:47 am

If we play defense and shoot free throws like we did last night we will be hard to beat. Though I do understand being pessimistic about our ability to do that consistently for forty minutes per game.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:56 am

Captain Obvious wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I am thinking 13-5
I'm thinking 11-7 with pending losses to Oregon, UCLA, and USC. I think we manage to win one game in the Pac tourney and get an 8 or 9 seed in the NCAA tournament. I won't rule out a 6 or 7 seed but our resume is so weak. And of course another one and done. DWWD

I may be in the minority, but losing those three games would be a HUGELY disappointing way to finish the reg season. We need to win 5 of these last 6, period. Let’s see this team start trending upward.

I have no idea what the tourney may bring. Total crapshoot. Maybe we’ll get lucky this year.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:02 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I am thinking 13-5
I'm thinking 11-7 with pending losses to Oregon, UCLA, and USC. I think we manage to win one game in the Pac tourney and get an 8 or 9 seed in the NCAA tournament. I won't rule out a 6 or 7 seed but our resume is so weak. And of course another one and done. DWWD
I may be in the minority, but losing those three games would be a HUGELY disappointing way to finish the reg season.

You’re not in the minority. He’s just a troll.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:10 pm

Captain Obvious wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I am thinking 13-5
I'm thinking 11-7 with pending losses to Oregon, UCLA, and USC. I think we manage to win one game in the Pac tourney and get an 8 or 9 seed in the NCAA tournament. I won't rule out a 6 or 7 seed but our resume is so weak. And of course another one and done. DWWD

Ok Captain Enfuego

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:21 pm

Sidebar: last night is why many of us are frustrated with pac 12 referees. There is no consistency from crew to crew and many times even half to half.

I may be wrong but during the UCLA game I thought that crew allowed physical play. Something the Cats were not ready for and couldn’t handle playing through contact. UCLA dominated them. Last night was the complete opposite extreme and the whistle blew almost every possession it seemed. at least the refs were consistent both ways last night. what an absolute 180 in the way the last 2 Arizona games have been called.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:34 pm

Frybry02 wrote:Sidebar: last night is why many of us are frustrated with pac 12 referees. There is no consistency from crew to crew and many times even half to half.

I may be wrong but during the UCLA game I thought that crew allowed physical play. Something the Cats were not ready for and couldn’t handle playing through contact. UCLA dominated them. Last night was the complete opposite extreme and the whistle blew almost every possession it seemed. at least the refs were consistent both ways last night. what an absolute 180 in the way the last 2 Arizona games have been called.

This is why all PAC teams are at a disadvantage in the tourney. All of the sudden it’s time to just play basketball. Miller obviously welcomed that UCLA game.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:33 pm

Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I am thinking 13-5
I'm thinking 11-7 with pending losses to Oregon, UCLA, and USC. I think we manage to win one game in the Pac tourney and get an 8 or 9 seed in the NCAA tournament. I won't rule out a 6 or 7 seed but our resume is so weak. And of course another one and done. DWWD
I may be in the minority, but losing those three games would be a HUGELY disappointing way to finish the reg season.
You’re not in the minority. He’s just a troll.

You spelled ass wrong again.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:49 pm

This homestand against the Oregons will be the biggest test of the season so far. We went 0-2 against these teams a few weeks back, and while we nearly stole one in Eugene, the game in Corvallis wasn't really close.

If we can somehow go 2-0 this week, we'll put ourselves in the driver's seat for a Pac title and probably get back into the 5-seed discussion. I know these reg season titles don't mean as much as deep tourney runs, but they matter to me.

ralmom22 · Post by **ralmom22** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:10 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
If we can somehow go 2-0 this week, we'll put ourselves in the driver's seat for a Pac title and probably get back into the 5-seed discussion. I know these reg season titles don't mean as much as deep tourney runs, but they matter to me.

Same here. I also care about PAC-12 tourney Championship. I want to be optimistic about this week, but man- that UCLA game memory is seared into my brain. I’m hoping that it’s also embedded into the teams memory to the extent that it’s not defeating, but provides enough humility to encourage 100% effort this coming week. Would love to see a home sweep.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:22 pm

ralmom22 wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
If we can somehow go 2-0 this week, we'll put ourselves in the driver's seat for a Pac title and probably get back into the 5-seed discussion. I know these reg season titles don't mean as much as deep tourney runs, but they matter to me.
Same here. I also care about PAC-12 tourney Championship. I want to be optimistic about this week, but man- that UCLA game memory is seared into my brain. I’m hoping that it’s also embedded into the teams memory to the extent that it’s not defeating, but provides enough humility to encourage 100% effort this coming week. Would love to see a home sweep.

A few years ago when UCLA had Lonzo, they won at McKale and we won at Pauley. So sometimes the road team is looser for some reason.

As for the Oregons, we were right with the Ducks in that first game. Got hosed by a bad call at the end of regulation. I think our guys will be up for payback. No idea what to expect from OSU. They've been up and down this year.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:38 am

Can't remember the last time the standings were this bunched at the top with only a few weeks left.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:52 am

It’s been said already, but this week is huge.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:37 am

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:58 am

Being ranked seems to be the kiss of death for us this season. Hope the team actually learned from UCLA.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:25 pm

If we go 6-0 to finish the reg season, I’ll buy the entire forum a round in Vegas.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:29 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:If we go 6-0 to finish the reg season, I’ll buy the entire forum a round in Vegas.

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Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:44 pm

I’ll put the round on my IHG Rewards card. I’ll have free nights for the rest of my life.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:50 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:If we go 6-0 to finish the reg season, I’ll buy the entire forum a round in Vegas.

I know I have given you a ton of shit lately. I got you a beer in Vegas. Do you have seats yet?

Dosia · Post by **Dosia** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:54 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If we go 6-0 to finish the reg season, I’ll buy the entire forum a round in Vegas.
I know I have given you a ton of shit lately. I got you a beer in Vegas. Do you have seats yet?

I’ll take a beer. Not beachcat, but I think we are going to scalp. I think the only game that will be tough to get tickets to at a reasonable price will be the championship if we make it. Thursday will be dirt cheap as it is never even close to full from my past experiences. Seems like it picks up on Friday.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:56 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If we go 6-0 to finish the reg season, I’ll buy the entire forum a round in Vegas.
I know I have given you a ton of shit lately. I got you a beer in Vegas. Do you have seats yet?

Yep. We've got Pac tourney seats. Will have to check on location, though. Think we're gonna be there for Pac tourney and the following weekend for rounds 1/2.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:04 pm

Dosia wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If we go 6-0 to finish the reg season, I’ll buy the entire forum a round in Vegas.
I know I have given you a ton of shit lately. I got you a beer in Vegas. Do you have seats yet?
I’ll take a beer. Not beachcat, but I think we are going to scalp. I think the only game that will be tough to get tickets to at a reasonable price will be the championship if we make it. Thursday will be dirt cheap as it is never even close to full from my past experiences. Seems like it picks up on Friday.

You know I got you and 49 beers during the UA game

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:04 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:If we go 6-0 to finish the reg season, I’ll buy the entire forum a round in Vegas.
I know I have given you a ton of shit lately. I got you a beer in Vegas. Do you have seats yet?
Yep. We've got Pac tourney seats. Will have to check on location, though. Think we're gonna be there for Pac tourney and the following weekend for rounds 1/2.

Ok we will figure it all out but I got you a beer at Tmobile

TheCat · Post by **TheCat** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:47 pm

My projection is we lose 2 and possibly 3 of the remaining games. Playing on the road is a split at best and more likely 2 losses. This teams offense is really struggling which I don't understand because they can all hit free throws at a decent clip. What you haven't heard this year is we have trouble against a zone. Know why. Stone and Zeke can both hit 12 footers. Last year Chase couldn't hit with any consistency and it was also on his free throws. There have only been 3 sweeps on the road and we have two of them and ASU has the other. Our last one was against the weakest road trip in my opinion and we barely squeaked those out. We need to make a statement offensively to bring back my confidence.

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