let's talk '20

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:06 pm

Ziaire is the only UA prospect that made the Mcd's aa team

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:45 am

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... diminishes" target="_blank

Any AZ interest, Choo?

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:16 pm

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:27 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... diminishes

Any AZ interest, Choo?

My guess is he stays midwest/east. There wasn't a past relationship here. Maybe Murphy could push for something with his Chicago connections, but there's nothing here that I am currently aware of.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:29 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... diminishes

Any AZ interest, Choo?
My guess is he stays midwest/east. There wasn't a past relationship here.

Maybe Baker initiates the UK to AZ pipeline!

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:48 pm

CCC,

Does Arizona have any interest in taking a PF/C deep in the rankings for depth behind Ira/Brown/Koloko?

Guys like:
Dishon Jackson
Maj Dusanic
jabari walker (good genes)

Or do you expect CSM to go back to the GT well?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:31 pm

baycat93 wrote:CCC,

Does Arizona have any interest in taking a PF/C deep in the rankings for depth behind Ira/Brown/Koloko?

Guys like:
Dishon Jackson
Maj Dusanic
jabari walker (good genes)

Or do you expect CSM to go back to the GT well?

Highly likely it'll be a GT.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:35 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
baycat93 wrote:CCC,

Does Arizona have any interest in taking a PF/C deep in the rankings for depth behind Ira/Brown/Koloko?

Guys like:
Dishon Jackson
Maj Dusanic
jabari walker (good genes)

Or do you expect CSM to go back to the GT well?
Highly likely it'll be a GT.

Just feels like that is a failing strategy for CSM and exacerbates the lack of roster consistency. How much PT can you really offer a GT next season (assuming Lee stays). Just seems a better bet would be to see if Dishon Jackson could get healthy and live up to his athletic gifts or on a late bloomer like walker (a fan of legacy athletes in general).

RaisingArizona · Post by **RaisingArizona** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:45 pm

Samaki Walker’s kid is about to start college? Like I needed more help feeling old.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:53 pm

baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
baycat93 wrote:CCC,

Does Arizona have any interest in taking a PF/C deep in the rankings for depth behind Ira/Brown/Koloko?

Guys like:
Dishon Jackson
Maj Dusanic
jabari walker (good genes)

Or do you expect CSM to go back to the GT well?
Highly likely it'll be a GT.
Just feels like that is a failing strategy for CSM and exacerbates the lack of roster consistency. How much PT can you really offer a GT next season (assuming Lee stays). Just seems a better bet would be to see if Dishon Jackson could get healthy and live up to his athletic gifts or on a late bloomer like walker (a fan of legacy athletes in general).

Do what we do.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:31 am

Yay, bring in another GT who won't understand the pack line, won't rebound, or provide anything else of substance.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:06 am

Statfreak77 wrote:Yay, bring in another GT who won't understand the pack line, won't rebound, or provide anything else of substance.

Do what we do.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:53 pm

As long as our coach doesn't have to try to develop a player for his rigid schemes that require a lot of experience, things will work great!

TheCat · Post by **TheCat** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:35 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:Yay, bring in another GT who won't understand the pack line, won't rebound, or provide anything else of substance.
Do what we do.

Thought you were gone?

Maybe we can get Tony Bennett to play zone....or watch Syr break out a man to man trap.....oh wait both those guys won national championship by DWWD. You got to do what you know works and Miller's winning percentage shows me he knows what he does best and how to win.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:45 pm

TheCat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:Yay, bring in another GT who won't understand the pack line, won't rebound, or provide anything else of substance.
Do what we do.
Thought you were gone?

Maybe we can get Tony Bennett to play zone....or watch Syr break out a man to man trap.....oh wait both those guys won national championship by DWWD. You got to do what you know works and Miller's winning percentage shows me he knows what he does best and how to win.

I mean obviously those guys got their guys to do what they do harder than Miller gets our guys to do what we do. It's truly science.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:33 am

Serious question about recruiting: is part of the strategy these days to target players with elite talent but who won’t be OAD? I ask because I can’t help notice that Kansas, like AZ, has three guys expected to be selected in the first round of the next NBA Draft. The difference? For us, it’s three freshmen. For them, it’s two sophomores and one senior. Kansas is not expected to have any of their freshmen leave early. And yet, they’re ranked in the top 5 with FF aspirations; we’re unranked and just happy to be dancing.

It’s not as though Self hasn’t had OADs. He’s had Oubre, Wiggins, Embiid and probably some others I’m forgetting. But he’s also getting these elite players (Dotson, Azubuike) who are sticking around long enough to make a much more meaningful impact on that program. Kansas is just one example. Michigan State, Nova and Gonzaga are a few others.

Is our ‘19 class actually worth very little in the bigger scheme of things when you consider how little time these guys will be at AZ?

Just trying to examine our recruiting strategy relative to programs currently having greater success.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:39 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Serious question about recruiting: is part of the strategy these days to target players with elite talent but who won’t be OAD? I ask because I can’t help notice that Kansas, like AZ, has three guys expected to be selected in the first round of the next NBA Draft. The difference? For us, it’s three freshmen. For them, it’s two sophomores and one senior. Kansas is not expected to have any of their freshmen leave early. And yet, they’re ranked in the top 5 with FF aspirations; we’re unranked and just happy to be dancing.

It’s not as though Self hasn’t had OADs. He’s had Oubre, Wiggins, Embiid and probably some others I’m forgetting. But he’s also getting these elite players (Dotson, Azubuike) who are sticking around long enough to make a much more meaningful impact on that program. Kansas is just one example. Michigan State, Nova and Gonzaga are a few others.

Is our ‘19 class actually worth very little in the bigger scheme of things when you consider how little time these guys will be at AZ?

Just trying to examine our recruiting strategy relative to programs currently having greater success.

The '19 class was worth every thing to Sean Miller as it bought him more time among the fanbase and further earned trust among his very good best buddy boosters. Was it worth much in regards to how much we'll win this year? Well it was in the sense we'll win more this year than last year, but in the tourney? No, not worth dick at all very likely.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:10 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Serious question about recruiting: is part of the strategy these days to target players with elite talent but who won’t be OAD? I ask because I can’t help notice that Kansas, like AZ, has three guys expected to be selected in the first round of the next NBA Draft. The difference? For us, it’s three freshmen. For them, it’s two sophomores and one senior. Kansas is not expected to have any of their freshmen leave early. And yet, they’re ranked in the top 5 with FF aspirations; we’re unranked and just happy to be dancing.

It’s not as though Self hasn’t had OADs. He’s had Oubre, Wiggins, Embiid and probably some others I’m forgetting. But he’s also getting these elite players (Dotson, Azubuike) who are sticking around long enough to make a much more meaningful impact on that program. Kansas is just one example. Michigan State, Nova and Gonzaga are a few others.

Is our ‘19 class actually worth very little in the bigger scheme of things when you consider how little time these guys will be at AZ?

Just trying to examine our recruiting strategy relative to programs currently having greater success.
The '19 class was worth every thing to Sean Miller as it bought him more time among the fanbase and further earned trust among his very good best buddy boosters. Was it worth much in regards to how much we'll win this year? Well it was in the sense we'll win more this year than last year, but in the tourney? No, not worth dick at all very likely.

That all makes sense, Choo.

Frustrating to have so many top five players/classes and have so little tourney success to show for it. It's not just that you have to get these players. You have to get the right players within this super small subset.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:35 pm

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:14 pm

That was a man's drive to the hoop by Mathurin. Damn.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:15 pm

TheCat · Post by **TheCat** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:27 pm

I think Sean has hinted at two or three more HS players. A couple of grad or other transfers to fill in the roster.

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:14 pm

Choo did Jason give away the international pg recruit today you were referring to?

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:57 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:That was a man's drive to the hoop by Mathurin. Damn.

Looks like a concussion there the way his brain bounced off the ground

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:37 pm

Lando05 wrote:Choo did Jason give away the international pg recruit today you were referring to?

Not that I'm aware of, no.

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:59 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Lando05 wrote:Choo did Jason give away the international pg recruit today you were referring to?
Not that I'm aware of, no.

Ok.he mentioned an international pg that is gonna go pro that we aren't recruiting anymore.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:03 am

Lando05 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Lando05 wrote:Choo did Jason give away the international pg recruit today you were referring to?
Not that I'm aware of, no.
Ok.he mentioned an international pg that is gonna go pro that we aren't recruiting anymore.

That's Josh Giddey whom if he went to college was a 2021 guy and that's not the guy I was referring to. I don't even know if the guy I was referring to is still on the table, hell I haven't bothered to ask any one any thing in over a month or so and honestly I'm not planning on doing so for awhile.

Either way I'm tired of hiding this guy's identity, so I'll give you a clue that his first name is the same as a former Arizona player's last name.

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:06 am

Kerr Kriisa?

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:19 am

If that’s him in a big fan.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:21 am

NickyBCats wrote:Kerr Kriisa?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:01 am

But...no longer recruiting him?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:36 am

Nnaji, Koloko and Brown. Best front court in the country?

Stay for 2 Zeke!

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:37 am

Jefe wrote:Nnaji, Koloko and Brown. Best front court in the country?

Stay for 2 Zeke!

Oh man. Can you imagine? That would be like Tucson Skyline 2.0

Zeke is gonzo.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:53 am

Heard his parents want him to stay for 1 more and this guy wouldn't say it if it wasn't true

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:55 am

Zeke is playing amazing, but he will be facing much taller/athletic players every night in the NBA. He struggles getting his shot blocked sometimes in those situations.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:56 am

Of our three freshmen, Zeke is the first one I'd choose to have back next year. That kind of size and talent is just rare.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:33 pm

Jefe wrote:Nnaji, Koloko and Brown. Best front court in the country?

Stay for 2 Zeke!

Don’t forget a senior in Ira

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:13 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:Yay, bring in another GT who won't understand the pack line, won't rebound, or provide anything else of substance.
Do what we do.

Lol.

But next time will be different!

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:27 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:Yay, bring in another GT who won't understand the pack line, won't rebound, or provide anything else of substance.
Do what we do.
Lol.

But next time will be different!

Were the additions of Gettings and Hazzard not good enough for you?

You can't scream for one and done/top flight recruits, complain about no senior leadership, and gripe about adding graduate transfers all at once.

Well, you can, but...

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:56 pm

I don’t scream for one and done, I’d much rather have Miller commit to 20-50 level ranked recruits and try to keep the for 2 years and then build a revolving farm system at the 50-100 level that banks on 3-4year player development with one OAD, peppered in for the x factor.

GT seems more variable, hit or miss, then selecting and coaching up your own.

Especially when they have to learn and play and execute pack line. Just because they are grad transfers doesn’t mean you are getting “senior leadership”. That has to be cultivated from within IMO.

But then you gotta get those pesky 50-100 level players to stay. So here we are at the grad transfer market.

For every stone and hazzard, there are like 20 of that dude from USF.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:04 pm

Well I hope you guys warm up to the idea of transfers, because of this new rule of making guys eligible immediately upon transferring, wooooooo we're going to lose plenty and add plenty.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:06 pm

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:18 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:DWWD

Roster continuity is definitely not DWWD.

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:06 pm

Choo was Kerr Kriisa the guy you were talking about?

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:09 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Well I hope you guys warm up to the idea of transfers, because of this new rule of making guys eligible immediately upon transferring, wooooooo we're going to lose plenty and add plenty.

It will conceivably make roster stability that much more complicated. AZ is already losing players prematurely at an alarming rate, just image when these guys can transfer without any penalty?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:42 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Jefe wrote:Nnaji, Koloko and Brown. Best front court in the country?

Stay for 2 Zeke!
Oh man. Can you imagine? That would be like Tucson Skyline 2.0

Zeke is gonzo.

Yes he is, and thanks for the memory NOT!

That LSU game where Shaq destroyed the Tucson Skyline was the one that made me hate Dick Vitale forever.

That Skyline had 3 NBAers, with Rooks and BDub having long careers. RIP big men!

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:43 pm

midnightx wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well I hope you guys warm up to the idea of transfers, because of this new rule of making guys eligible immediately upon transferring, wooooooo we're going to lose plenty and add plenty.
It will conceivably make roster stability that much more complicated. AZ is already losing players prematurely at an alarming rate, just image when these guys can transfer without any penalty?

Yup.

Are they having fun?

You’re at Arizona; you compete daily against the best, you should be having fun.

I suspect DWWD isn’t a lot of “fun”

Especially when your talent is limited in a midmajor style of play.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:45 pm

Merkin wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Jefe wrote:Nnaji, Koloko and Brown. Best front court in the country?

Stay for 2 Zeke!
Oh man. Can you imagine? That would be like Tucson Skyline 2.0

Zeke is gonzo.
Yes he is, and thanks for the memory NOT!

That LSU game where Shaq destroyed the Tucson Skyline was the one that made me hate Dick Vitale forever.

That Skyline had 3 NBAers, with Rooks and BDub having long careers. RIP big men!

You mean the game at LSU where everytime we laid a finger on Shaq it was a foul, and Shaq went over the back on almost every play and never got called for fouls?

We did beat Shaq in Tucson the year before I believe.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:46 pm

NickyBCats wrote:Choo was Kerr Kriisa the guy you were talking about?

I don't care any more.

Yes.

I have no idea if he's still an option anymore or not.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:42 am

UAEebs86 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Jefe wrote:Nnaji, Koloko and Brown. Best front court in the country?

Stay for 2 Zeke!
Oh man. Can you imagine? That would be like Tucson Skyline 2.0

Zeke is gonzo.
Yes he is, and thanks for the memory NOT!

That LSU game where Shaq destroyed the Tucson Skyline was the one that made me hate Dick Vitale forever.

That Skyline had 3 NBAers, with Rooks and BDub having long careers. RIP big men!

You mean the game at LSU where everytime we laid a finger on Shaq it was a foul, and Shaq went over the back on almost every play and never got called for fouls?

We did beat Shaq in Tucson the year before I believe.

It was the year after, and Shaq didn't give a sh*t.

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