let's talk '20

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Fri May 01, 2020 1:27 pm

BeardownZonaZona wrote:Another big man transfer has entered the transfer portal. His name is Olivier Saar and is a 7fter. Averaged about 14 and 9 at wake forest. I wonder if we pursue him. Would be a nice addition for our last roster spot

Watched him play in the crazy Double-OT upset vs Duke. He can ball

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri May 01, 2020 1:30 pm

eoe wrote:
BeardownZonaZona wrote:Another big man transfer has entered the transfer portal. His name is Olivier Saar and is a 7fter. Averaged about 14 and 9 at wake forest. I wonder if we pursue him. Would be a nice addition for our last roster spot
Watched him play in the crazy Double-OT upset vs Duke. He can ball

Yep. Kentucky will be getting a good one. Not sure why Sean wouldn't at least give him a call.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri May 01, 2020 3:03 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
eoe wrote:
BeardownZonaZona wrote:Another big man transfer has entered the transfer portal. His name is Olivier Saar and is a 7fter. Averaged about 14 and 9 at wake forest. I wonder if we pursue him. Would be a nice addition for our last roster spot
Watched him play in the crazy Double-OT upset vs Duke. He can ball
Yep. Kentucky will be getting a good one. Not sure why Sean wouldn't at least give him a call.

Because we wouldn't land him. That's all it takes to not waste your own time.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat May 02, 2020 6:14 am

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Tue May 05, 2020 8:03 am

Is euro #2 still an option and also will we know one way or another if he’s coming or not soon?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue May 05, 2020 7:29 pm

NickyBCats wrote:Is euro #2 still an option and also will we know one way or another if he’s coming or not soon?

Yes and yes.

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Wed May 06, 2020 9:13 am

Kriisa and Batcho finally got ranked today! 247 gave both 4 star rankings with Kriisa coming in at 61 and Batcho at 98. Not bad. We now have the 7th best recruiting class in the country and best in the PAC 12. Good stuff

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed May 06, 2020 9:16 am

Mathurin also moved into the top 50.

A1RZONA · Post by **A1RZONA** » Wed May 06, 2020 9:26 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Mathurin also moved into the top 50.

huge jump. lets go

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Wed May 06, 2020 9:36 am

Tibet Goerner is #117, up from #147

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed May 06, 2020 9:50 am

hes a year away, imo

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Wed May 06, 2020 10:19 am

He makes doutrive look fat

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed May 06, 2020 10:29 am

97cats wrote:hes a year away, imo

At least.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed May 06, 2020 10:38 am

Get this last Euro guy and maybe we have another top 5 class and one that sticks around awhile

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed May 06, 2020 11:09 am

azcat49 wrote:Get this last Euro guy and maybe we have another top 5 class and one that sticks around awhile

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Wed May 06, 2020 11:18 am

BeardownZonaZona wrote:Kriisa and Batcho finally got ranked today! 247 gave both 4 star rankings with Kriisa coming in at 61 and Batcho at 98. Not bad. We now have the 7th best recruiting class in the country and best in the PAC 12. Good stuff

I will never, ever doubt Miller’s recruiting abilities...he’s unbelievable. Really hope this class is the start of a new, positive direction for the program.

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed May 06, 2020 11:54 am

Those with insight into the program-- we've discussed culture and the problems with it currently. Does the huge turnover this year, and the huge shift in recruiting, give us a chance to completely reset that culture? And is there any indication that is something being worked on?

Ned Zissou · Post by **Ned Zissou** » Wed May 06, 2020 12:56 pm

prh wrote:Those with insight into the program-- we've discussed culture and the problems with it currently. Does the huge turnover this year, and the huge shift in recruiting, give us a chance to completely reset that culture? And is there any indication that is something being worked on?

GREAT question

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed May 06, 2020 1:44 pm

BeardownZonaZona wrote:Kriisa and Batcho finally got ranked today! 247 gave both 4 star rankings with Kriisa coming in at 61 and Batcho at 98. Not bad. We now have the 7th best recruiting class in the country and best in the PAC 12. Good stuff

If we somehow end up with the best freshman class in the Pac, consider me impressed. Like, more than usual.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed May 06, 2020 2:07 pm

prh wrote:Those with insight into the program-- we've discussed culture and the problems with it currently. Does the huge turnover this year, and the huge shift in recruiting, give us a chance to completely reset that culture? And is there any indication that is something being worked on?

Hopefully JeT can help with that culture, although Miller doesn't seem to listen to his assistants all that much.

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Wed May 06, 2020 2:34 pm

Merkin wrote:
prh wrote:
Hopefully JeT can help with that culture, although Miller doesn't seem to listen to his assistants all that much.

This info is based on...?

psiclist23 · Post by **psiclist23** » Wed May 06, 2020 7:11 pm

Merkin wrote:
prh wrote:Those with insight into the program-- we've discussed culture and the problems with it currently. Does the huge turnover this year, and the huge shift in recruiting, give us a chance to completely reset that culture? And is there any indication that is something being worked on?

Hopefully JeT can help with that culture, although Miller doesn't seem to listen to his assistants all that much.

I got that impression, too, when Romar was here. If it's an ego thing, what will happen when Terry has all the insights into the league? And a ring? Not to mention all his AZ accolades. Who will the players listen to?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed May 06, 2020 7:31 pm

psiclist23 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
prh wrote:Those with insight into the program-- we've discussed culture and the problems with it currently. Does the huge turnover this year, and the huge shift in recruiting, give us a chance to completely reset that culture? And is there any indication that is something being worked on?

Hopefully JeT can help with that culture, although Miller doesn't seem to listen to his assistants all that much.
I got that impression, too, when Romar was here. If it's an ego thing, what will happen when Terry has all the insights into the league? And a ring? Not to mention all his AZ accolades. Who will the players listen to?

How are we getting this impression? From in-game interactions?

In game, when it comes to strategy, there's one voice in the huddle. Getting guys hyped used to be Book's job (along with trying to cash in any way possible apparently). Positional instruction falls to various coaches. But as far as plays, and how the team is going to go out there and win games, it's all Sean. As it should be.

In the locker room, during practice, during off time . . . who can say who has the loudest voice in the room or who the players go to? That stuff isn't for us fans to see. Which should be fine by us. Maybe Romar was a great influence. Maybe Murph is the guy the players go to so they can bitch (doubtful). Maybe Brian Brigger is the real power behind the throne. How would we know?

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Wed May 06, 2020 7:59 pm

If you’ve followed Scheer for long enough you know his way of hinting. Seems like he’s dropping hints on Euro 2. We gotta good feeling on this one?

psiclist23 · Post by **psiclist23** » Wed May 06, 2020 8:02 pm

Chicat wrote:
psiclist23 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
prh wrote:Those with insight into the program-- we've discussed culture and the problems with it currently. Does the huge turnover this year, and the huge shift in recruiting, give us a chance to completely reset that culture? And is there any indication that is something being worked on?

Hopefully JeT can help with that culture, although Miller doesn't seem to listen to his assistants all that much.
I got that impression, too, when Romar was here. If it's an ego thing, what will happen when Terry has all the insights into the league? And a ring? Not to mention all his AZ accolades. Who will the players listen to?
How are we getting this impression? From in-game interactions?

In game, when it comes to strategy, there's one voice in the huddle. Getting guys hyped used to be Book's job (along with trying to cash in any way possible apparently). Positional instruction falls to various coaches. But as far as plays, and how the team is going to go out there and win games, it's all Sean. As it should be.

In the locker room, during practice, during off time . . . who can say who has the loudest voice in the room or who the players go to? That stuff isn't for us fans to see. Which should be fine by us. Maybe Romar was a great influence. Maybe Murph is the guy the players go to so they can bitch (doubtful). Maybe Brian Brigger is the real power behind the throne. How would we know?

I got that impression, and that is all that it is, because AZ had the same crappy offense when Romar was here. My fantasy was that year, that the Combo of Miller's defense and Romar's offense would be killer. Didn't seem to happen.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Wed May 06, 2020 8:06 pm

Was that the year the KP adjusted O was 15th?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed May 06, 2020 8:15 pm

psiclist23 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
psiclist23 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
prh wrote:Those with insight into the program-- we've discussed culture and the problems with it currently. Does the huge turnover this year, and the huge shift in recruiting, give us a chance to completely reset that culture? And is there any indication that is something being worked on?

Hopefully JeT can help with that culture, although Miller doesn't seem to listen to his assistants all that much.
I got that impression, too, when Romar was here. If it's an ego thing, what will happen when Terry has all the insights into the league? And a ring? Not to mention all his AZ accolades. Who will the players listen to?
How are we getting this impression? From in-game interactions?

In game, when it comes to strategy, there's one voice in the huddle. Getting guys hyped used to be Book's job (along with trying to cash in any way possible apparently). Positional instruction falls to various coaches. But as far as plays, and how the team is going to go out there and win games, it's all Sean. As it should be.

In the locker room, during practice, during off time . . . who can say who has the loudest voice in the room or who the players go to? That stuff isn't for us fans to see. Which should be fine by us. Maybe Romar was a great influence. Maybe Murph is the guy the players go to so they can bitch (doubtful). Maybe Brian Brigger is the real power behind the throne. How would we know?
I got that impression, and that is all that it is, because AZ had the same crappy offense when Romar was here. My fantasy was that year, that the Combo of Miller's defense and Romar's offense would be killer. Didn't seem to happen.

I got the impression that Miller offered a coach he respected tremendously a one-year landing spot so he wouldn't have to go do something he was uncomfortable with (TV) and wouldn't disappear for 12 months, which can be a lifetime in coaching circles. Any benefit to Arizona was ancillary.

But that's just my impression...

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Wed May 06, 2020 8:27 pm

Chicat wrote: I got the impression that Miller offered a coach he respected tremendously a one-year landing spot so he wouldn't have to go do something he was uncomfortable with (TV) and wouldn't disappear for 12 months, which can be a lifetime in coaching circles. Any benefit to Arizona was ancillary.

But that's just my impression...

Was that the year after Washington had an Adjusted O of 87?

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Wed May 06, 2020 8:43 pm

Merkin wrote:
prh wrote:Those with insight into the program-- we've discussed culture and the problems with it currently. Does the huge turnover this year, and the huge shift in recruiting, give us a chance to completely reset that culture? And is there any indication that is something being worked on?

Hopefully JeT can help with that culture, although Miller doesn't seem to listen to his assistants all that much.

I’m not convinced some of the assistants have been worth listening to.

There’s been a ton of turnover on the bench. The instability the last few years caused by Book, FBI, and ESPN hasn’t made it easy to attract top assistants. Heeke screwed up the Phelps dismissal. Jack Murphy was a convenient hire. Murph wasn’t exactly on solid ground at NAU and Miller was desperate for help. Gainey was inexperienced.

With the roster stabilizing, I would expect Terry & Murphy to have a greater voice and influence and help take the pressure off Miller. That’s just my opinion and hunch for the future.

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Wed May 06, 2020 9:48 pm

NickyBCats wrote:If you’ve followed Scheer for long enough you know his way of hinting. Seems like he’s dropping hints on Euro 2. We gotta good feeling on this one?

I was literally just thinking the same thing

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Thu May 07, 2020 7:24 am

ByJoveByJingle wrote:Was that the year the KP adjusted O was 15th?

My man #fistbump

Also:
https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... head-coach

For us, we want to push it on makes and misses, we want to have tempo. You’re right, I think I rely a lot on Lorenzo’s mindset and what he sees and he’s done to put his team in the position to be a running team, but our defense isn’t going to change,” Miller said.

“We’re looking to play defense at a high level, but we’re looking to push the ball always,” said Allonzo Trier. “I think Coach Romar gives us a different spin and a different perspective on how to do it and how he did it at Washington.

“It’s kind of about Coach Miller and Coach Romar combining their basketball minds and finding the best transition attack for us based on the weapons and team we have here.”

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Thu May 07, 2020 9:42 am

BeardownZonaZona wrote:
NickyBCats wrote:If you’ve followed Scheer for long enough you know his way of hinting. Seems like he’s dropping hints on Euro 2. We gotta good feeling on this one?
I was literally just thinking the same thing

Judging by Scheer speak we should feel good about it. But he's been saying we should know one way or another "soon" for a couple weeks now so who knows.

Everyone has a different definition of "soon" it seems.

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Thu May 07, 2020 9:44 am

BeardownZonaZona wrote:
NickyBCats wrote:If you’ve followed Scheer for long enough you know his way of hinting. Seems like he’s dropping hints on Euro 2. We gotta good feeling on this one?
I was literally just thinking the same thing

Sound to me like it’s a done deal!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 07, 2020 9:52 am

NickyBCats wrote:
BeardownZonaZona wrote:
NickyBCats wrote:If you’ve followed Scheer for long enough you know his way of hinting. Seems like he’s dropping hints on Euro 2. We gotta good feeling on this one?
I was literally just thinking the same thing

Sound to me like it’s a done deal!

Nothing's a done deal until it's done my man. Scheer's not telling lies though that's for sure.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Thu May 07, 2020 10:12 am

Is this being discussed in premium? I have not seen anything anywhere other than the comments here from Choo.

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Thu May 07, 2020 10:26 am

gronk4heisman wrote:Is this being discussed in premium? I have not seen anything anywhere other than the comments here from Choo.

Yes. Dropped many hints over last few days. If you’ve followed him long enough this is him telling you without actually telling you. Like someone said above it’s Scheer Speak. That’s how I take it at least with hint like comments he’s made over the years.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Thu May 07, 2020 10:27 am

Scheer said something like: top recruiting class in PAC and possibly still there to get better

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 07, 2020 10:40 am

Postmaster wrote:Scheer said something like: top recruiting class in PAC and possibly still there to get better

Well yeah if you land a likely borderline 5 star player who would start from day 1 along with what you already got it would be the top recruiting class.in the Pac and would only make you better.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu May 07, 2020 11:35 am

Probably too soon to address this, but if there is no 2020-21 college basketball season, what would happen with our players' eligibility? Would they just retain four years of eligibility, with the first year rolling over to 2021-22?

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Thu May 07, 2020 12:13 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Probably too soon to address this, but if there is no 2020-21 college basketball season, what would happen with our players' eligibility? Would they just retain four years of eligibility, with the first year rolling over to 2021-22?

No play = no year of eligibility spent

ChooChooCat wrote:
Well yeah if you land a likely borderline 5 star player who would start from day 1 along with what you already got it would be the top recruiting class.in the Pac and would only make you better.

Any insight into why he wouldn't have gone to UK (or leaning there more at this point) considering their history with him and need?

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Thu May 07, 2020 12:22 pm

Prospective:
1 and 2. Williams/Akinjo backed up by Baker, Kriisa, T. Brown
3. Terry backed up by Mathurin
4. J. Brown backed up by Lee, Gorener (RS?)
5. 7+ ft prospect or Koloko backed up by Koloko/Batcho

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Thu May 07, 2020 12:29 pm

OK, can I clarify these muddied waters a little bit, since I don't go to Scheer's site and his Twitter feed is being very coy:

Would this player start at the 5, and does his last name begin with S and end with R?

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Thu May 07, 2020 12:36 pm

eoe wrote:Prospective:
1 and 2. Williams/Akinjo backed up by Baker, Kriisa, T. Brown
3. Terry backed up by Mathurin
4. J. Brown backed up by Lee, Gorener (RS?)
5. 7+ ft prospect or Koloko backed up by Koloko/Batcho

lineup projections:

PG Akinjo (20), Krissa (10), Baker (5)
SG Baker (15-20), Krissa (10-15), TBrown (10-15)
Wing Mathurin (25), Terry (15)
PF Euro#2 (20), Lee (10), JBrown (5) Batcho (5)
C JBrown (15), Koloko (15), Batcho (5), Lee (5)

Akinjo gets the waiver and starts from day 1. Probably eats Baker’s minutes there.
Krissa seems to have the most potential from deep and it will be needed. Might Start by PAC12
Baker I am higher on him than most I think he pushes to start
SG minutes may come down to offense/defense
Euro2 – trusting scheers comments here, if he is a starter probably gets more minutes
Lee played 13 min a game last year
Koloko averaged a foul every 5.8 min played and played 8.7 min in conference. Not sure he is ready to start

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu May 07, 2020 12:41 pm

catgrad97 wrote:OK, can I clarify these muddied waters a little bit, since I don't go to Scheer's site and his Twitter feed is being very coy:

Would this player start at the 5, and does his last name begin with S and end with R?

No on the last name. If what I know is right I think he is more of a 4 man but I guess he could slide to the 5. really has put up nice numbers in his pro league (he doesn't get paid I would assume) or what ever league that is> Sounds like we should know soon

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 07, 2020 12:43 pm

eoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Probably too soon to address this, but if there is no 2020-21 college basketball season, what would happen with our players' eligibility? Would they just retain four years of eligibility, with the first year rolling over to 2021-22?
No play = no year of eligibility spent

ChooChooCat wrote:
Well yeah if you land a likely borderline 5 star player who would start from day 1 along with what you already got it would be the top recruiting class.in the Pac and would only make you better.
Any insight into why he wouldn't have gone to UK (or leaning there more at this point) considering their history with him and need?

Who are you talking about? The guy I'm referring to has no relationship with Kentucky.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu May 07, 2020 12:44 pm

catgrad97 wrote:OK, can I clarify these muddied waters a little bit, since I don't go to Scheer's site and his Twitter feed is being very coy:

Would this player start at the 5, and does his last name begin with S and end with R?

The Wake Forest kid is going to UK per Choo.

This is the unnamed Euro (unless you have premium apparently)

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 07, 2020 12:50 pm

catgrad97 wrote:OK, can I clarify these muddied waters a little bit, since I don't go to Scheer's site and his Twitter feed is being very coy:

Would this player start at the 5, and does his last name begin with S and end with R?

No and no.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 07, 2020 12:50 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
catgrad97 wrote:OK, can I clarify these muddied waters a little bit, since I don't go to Scheer's site and his Twitter feed is being very coy:

Would this player start at the 5, and does his last name begin with S and end with R?

The Wake Forest kid is going to UK per Choo.

This is the unnamed Euro (unless you have premium apparently)

Dude literally committed to UK yesterday.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Thu May 07, 2020 5:14 pm

Ok, thank you guys.

It's just really hard for me to believe that there is a borderline five-star starter still within our grasp.

Miller continues to be a witch, but the proof is in the chemistry with this class. Until they all stay past their first year, all these international players are potential Robertas Javtokas situations.

And yes, I still count Radenovic as the exception that proves that rule. Call me skeptical, but we've been burned by flighty Euros in this program since Rolf Jacobs.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu May 07, 2020 5:23 pm

catgrad97 wrote:
And yes, I still count Radenovic as the exception that proves that rule. Call me skeptical, but we've been burned by flighty Euros in this program since Rolf Jacobs.

Rolf Jacobs was not a Euro. He was a POS who got kicked off the team for hurting a teammate in practice I believe, but he played HS ball in California.

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