New Coach Hot Board

3rdand25 · Post by **3rdand25** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:57 pm

catgrad97 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:47 pm "At all" shouldn't matter, especially when we're looking at a program with a cupboard as bare as Arizona's.

We absolutely, desperately need our next coaching staff to be power recruiters. Negligence in this area since Tomey, frankly, has killed his legacy and formed the foundation of an existential crisis.

To an outsider looking at who has been hired since, the profile has been more "Who can hold his liquor" than "will outwork the other guy in recruiting." This is becoming a feature of this program, not a bug.

Only a legacy coach like Brennan or a disciplinarian and character-first coach like Niumatalolo can change that culture. Any kind of coach with a lazy rep in the recruiting arena, earned or not, isn't going to restore our good qualities Tomey's and Smith's recruits worked so hard to build.

The U of A has lost way too much Tucson talent to be excusable. Heck, even Smith lost Rodney Peete to SC. "Young, hungry" coaches don't have talk following them they won't recruit locally. We need to stop falling into the trap of overlooking that.

Nah. You are forgetting Stoops. He recruited better overall than Dick Tomey, though Tomey recruited pretty well. Stoops recruited well in Tucson. Kadeem Carey? Brooks Reed? Stoops did bring in some NFL talent, Gronk, Foles, Carey on offense. Tomey's QB recruits were excellent college players who played mostly mistake free football but didn't get serious looks by the NFL. I think Tomey and Stoops were about equal overall - if you can discount the Makovic hole that Stoops had to dig out of for his first few years. Tomey was able to take over from Larry Smith who left the program in excellent shape (9 wins?). Give that to Stoops as a starting point and I bet he has a .600 conference record, with a bad year every once in a while.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:23 pm

I think the discussion about recruiting is overblown. We thought Sumlin's recruiting would transfer over, it didn't. We didn't compare Miller's recruiting at Xavier to blue bloods, it's all relative to the level. We just need a coach to not completely ignore recruiting. Stoops level recruiting seems very achievable.

But what is bigger than recruiting, and the most important thing we need, is a culture. We aren't trying to match physically dominant programs like Bama and OSU, we are dealing with the Pac12. Chip Kelly didn't win at Oregon because of his recruiting, which was not comparable to national powers. He won because he created a culture that was absolutely unparalleled in the Pac12 during that time.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:24 pm

It's an emergency hire, so no timeline is necessary. When they've got their guy they can announce it.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:59 pm

Brennan's QB threw it to the TE twice.....in the same drive.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:04 pm

azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:59 pm Brennan's QB threw it to the TE twice.....in the same drive.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:06 pm

San Jose State looking very impressive. I hope Brennan is Heeke's pick

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:16 pm

SJSU should be blowing Boise out right now. Just lacking some execution in the red zone. I like what I’m seeing though. They actually throw to Tight Ends! What a concept!

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:21 pm

They are a hell of a lot better coached than we were. Not saying much, but they do look impressive thus far. Their D is also killing it. Can he bring half the team with him?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:40 pm

Now I really am hoping we get BB. If we don’t someone else will and they will probably be in the PAC

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:47 pm

Like what I see and have read about Brennan. Hope he can bring a few of the assts's.
4 rushing yds at half seems a bit unbalanced. Anyone familiar with offense, and whether this is an aberration?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:55 pm

ramcat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:47 pm Like what I see and have read about Brennan. Hope he can bring a few of the assts's.
4 rushing yds at half seems a bit unbalanced. Anyone familiar with offense, and whether this is an aberration?

Taking a quick look at their stats:
Passing: 125-190 for 1,656 yards
Rushing: 189 for 946 yards.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 pm

Can some of these San Jose State players also transfer in?

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:05 pm

azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:55 pm
ramcat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:47 pm Like what I see and have read about Brennan. Hope he can bring a few of the assts's.
4 rushing yds at half seems a bit unbalanced. Anyone familiar with offense, and whether this is an aberration?
Taking a quick look at their stats:
Passing: 125-190 for 1,656 yards
Rushing: 189 for 946 yards.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:07 pm

Thanks. Definitely pass heavy, but think typically run a bit more effectively than tonight.
Just had a Nice run in the red zone. Red zone offense has been weak tonight.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:14 pm

Irish27 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:06 pm San Jose State looking very impressive. I hope Brennan is Heeke's pick

On a One hit wonder season? Sure let Hope he still understand that he 15-29 with one impressive season.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:16 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:21 pm They are a hell of a lot better coached than we were. Not saying much, but they do look impressive thus far. Their D is also killing it. Can he bring half the team with him?

There D is Killing it against what competition?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:20 pm

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:30 pm

It will be Ball State vs. San Jose State in the Arizona Bowl on NYE.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:33 pm

Color me impressed.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:51 pm

Not to throw too much cold water on it though but SJSU had another coach that did well and went on to a P5 school. He went 1-10, 5-7, and then 10-2. That guy is Mike MacIntyre.

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:29 pm

prh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:23 pm I think the discussion about recruiting is overblown. We thought Sumlin's recruiting would transfer over, it didn't. We didn't compare Miller's recruiting at Xavier to blue bloods, it's all relative to the level. We just need a coach to not completely ignore recruiting. Stoops level recruiting seems very achievable.

But what is bigger than recruiting, and the most important thing we need, is a culture. We aren't trying to match physically dominant programs like Bama and OSU, we are dealing with the Pac12. Chip Kelly didn't win at Oregon because of his recruiting, which was not comparable to national powers. He won because he created a culture that was absolutely unparalleled in the Pac12 during that time.

Absolutely untrue. Kelly recruited some of the best players in the country to Oregon.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:29 pm

Forgot to watch the game, but if they do have some guys we'd want, free transfers this year so let's go.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:30 pm

Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:29 pm
prh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:23 pm I think the discussion about recruiting is overblown. We thought Sumlin's recruiting would transfer over, it didn't. We didn't compare Miller's recruiting at Xavier to blue bloods, it's all relative to the level. We just need a coach to not completely ignore recruiting. Stoops level recruiting seems very achievable.

But what is bigger than recruiting, and the most important thing we need, is a culture. We aren't trying to match physically dominant programs like Bama and OSU, we are dealing with the Pac12. Chip Kelly didn't win at Oregon because of his recruiting, which was not comparable to national powers. He won because he created a culture that was absolutely unparalleled in the Pac12 during that time.
Absolutely untrue. Kelly recruited some of the best players in the country to Oregon.

Some individual players, yes. But his classes as a whole were not remotely in the same ballpark as the blue blood programs. In various years, they were even behind multiple out of USC, UCLA, and Stanford, just in the Pac12.

Regardless, the point is that their run of dominance was not due to recruiting, it was due to the culture Kelly created. There was absolute buy in all around that program.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:36 pm

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:41 pm

Hope that guy is right. He wasn’t wrong in the Sumlin was a POS

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:09 pm

azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:51 pm Not to throw too much cold water on it though but SJSU had another coach that did well and went on to a P5 school. He went 1-10, 5-7, and then 10-2. That guy is Mike MacIntyre.

Maclntrye did Three Season at SJSU which he went 1-12,5-7,11-3? That impressive as hell but compare that to brennan 2-11,1-11, 5-7 then one hit wonder 7-0?

Stepping Stone at it finest.

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:17 pm

prh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:30 pm
Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:29 pm
prh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:23 pm I think the discussion about recruiting is overblown. We thought Sumlin's recruiting would transfer over, it didn't. We didn't compare Miller's recruiting at Xavier to blue bloods, it's all relative to the level. We just need a coach to not completely ignore recruiting. Stoops level recruiting seems very achievable.

But what is bigger than recruiting, and the most important thing we need, is a culture. We aren't trying to match physically dominant programs like Bama and OSU, we are dealing with the Pac12. Chip Kelly didn't win at Oregon because of his recruiting, which was not comparable to national powers. He won because he created a culture that was absolutely unparalleled in the Pac12 during that time.
Absolutely untrue. Kelly recruited some of the best players in the country to Oregon.
Some individual players, yes. But his classes as a whole were not remotely in the same ballpark as the blue blood programs. In various years, they were even behind multiple out of USC, UCLA, and Stanford, just in the Pac12.

Regardless, the point is that their run of dominance was not due to recruiting, it was due to the culture Kelly created. There was absolute buy in all around that program.

No. Kelly was there as OC or Head coach for 6 six years during which time they only had one class ranked outside the top 20. Point being, recruiting is critical.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:57 pm

Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:17 pm
prh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:30 pm
Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:29 pm
prh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:23 pm I think the discussion about recruiting is overblown. We thought Sumlin's recruiting would transfer over, it didn't. We didn't compare Miller's recruiting at Xavier to blue bloods, it's all relative to the level. We just need a coach to not completely ignore recruiting. Stoops level recruiting seems very achievable.

But what is bigger than recruiting, and the most important thing we need, is a culture. We aren't trying to match physically dominant programs like Bama and OSU, we are dealing with the Pac12. Chip Kelly didn't win at Oregon because of his recruiting, which was not comparable to national powers. He won because he created a culture that was absolutely unparalleled in the Pac12 during that time.
Absolutely untrue. Kelly recruited some of the best players in the country to Oregon.
Some individual players, yes. But his classes as a whole were not remotely in the same ballpark as the blue blood programs. In various years, they were even behind multiple out of USC, UCLA, and Stanford, just in the Pac12.

Regardless, the point is that their run of dominance was not due to recruiting, it was due to the culture Kelly created. There was absolute buy in all around that program.
No. Kelly was there as OC or Head coach for 6 six years during which time they only had one class ranked outside the top 20. Point being, recruiting is critical.

From 2009-2012, when he was the HC, Oregon finished ranked 11, 3, 4, and 2. Their recruiting ranks (Rivals) were 32-13-9-16. Alabama's classes were 1-5-1-1. Texas's classes were 5-3-3-2. USC's were 4-1-4-8. There's a big difference between averaging the 17th class and averaging the 1st, 3rd, or 4th class.

If you want to quibble over numbers, go right ahead. But the main point, which is critical for us, and you have not commented on, is that we need a shift in culture. Recruiting alone will not turn our program around.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:21 pm

prh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:57 pm
Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:17 pm
prh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:30 pm
Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:29 pm
prh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:23 pm I think the discussion about recruiting is overblown. We thought Sumlin's recruiting would transfer over, it didn't. We didn't compare Miller's recruiting at Xavier to blue bloods, it's all relative to the level. We just need a coach to not completely ignore recruiting. Stoops level recruiting seems very achievable.

But what is bigger than recruiting, and the most important thing we need, is a culture. We aren't trying to match physically dominant programs like Bama and OSU, we are dealing with the Pac12. Chip Kelly didn't win at Oregon because of his recruiting, which was not comparable to national powers. He won because he created a culture that was absolutely unparalleled in the Pac12 during that time.
Absolutely untrue. Kelly recruited some of the best players in the country to Oregon.
Some individual players, yes. But his classes as a whole were not remotely in the same ballpark as the blue blood programs. In various years, they were even behind multiple out of USC, UCLA, and Stanford, just in the Pac12.

Regardless, the point is that their run of dominance was not due to recruiting, it was due to the culture Kelly created. There was absolute buy in all around that program.
No. Kelly was there as OC or Head coach for 6 six years during which time they only had one class ranked outside the top 20. Point being, recruiting is critical.
From 2009-2012, when he was the HC, Oregon finished ranked 11, 3, 4, and 2. Their recruiting ranks (Rivals) were 32-13-9-16. Alabama's classes were 1-5-1-1. Texas's classes were 5-3-3-2. USC's were 4-1-4-8. There's a big difference between averaging the 17th class and averaging the 1st, 3rd, or 4th class.

If you want to quibble over numbers, go right ahead. But the main point, which is critical for us, and you have not commented on, is that we need a shift in culture. Recruiting alone will not turn our program around.

What shift Culture? Pretty much the culture want to go back to the days of Dick Tomey with having the family tree of coaches?

Recruiting alone wont turn our program around? You sure about that? Im not saying UA need to be all that in recruiting but having good coaches would turn it around with recruiting or Recruiting just doesn't matter to UA.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:37 pm

@cordy A culture that values doing things the right way, working hard, coming together, etc. Look at culture Saban has over there. He has top notch recruiting but he has a culture of excellence.

Look at Texas. They’ve had great recruiting for years and nothing to show for it. Look at places like Northwestern, which cannot touch the recruiting of most of the Big 10, but they played Ohio State tough today and typically well outperform their talent level.

Hell look at Utah. They have an excellent program in place that might ebb and flow based off skill at QB, but they typically play hard, play disciplined, and are one of the better programs in the conference.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:43 pm

I think you are the one who is quibbling. Coaching alone will not turn this program alone, and neither will recruiting. We need dramatic improvements on both fronts if we are to have ANY chance of returning to respectability.

Did Kelly’s on-field performance outpace his recruiting in Eugene? Arguably, yes. But to suggest that his recruiting was anything less than strong (he AVERAGED a top ~12 class in each season that he had a full year to recruit) is wholly inaccurate. In even our BEST year we have never had a coach who even SNIFFED that territory.

We need a TECTONIC shift in culture that includes (and is arguably LED by) significant improvements on the recruiting trail. This program needs someone who is laser-focused on EVERY detail than contributes to on-field success; it is not “this OR that”, it is ALL of it. (The notion that attention to detail is a flaw is one of the most laughable fallacies in modern culture).

There are many blue-prints for building a successful program, in terms of a coach’s prior pedigree, but there is not a SINGLE one that does not include getting good players (relative to the teams a program competes with). And for every “profile” of coach that succeeds in a new role (up and comer, hungry assistant, proven winner, etc) - there are plenty who fail (with similar CV’s).

I could count on one hand the number of coaches who would be a sure thing, and we are not getting a returned phone call for so much as an interview from ANY of them. This is another roll of the dice; hopefully the Gods will favor us with the cards we draw on this hand.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:13 am

cordera89 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:09 pm
azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:51 pm Not to throw too much cold water on it though but SJSU had another coach that did well and went on to a P5 school. He went 1-10, 5-7, and then 10-2. That guy is Mike MacIntyre.
Maclntrye did Three Season at SJSU which he went 1-12,5-7,11-3? That impressive as hell but compare that to brennan 2-11,1-11, 5-7 then one hit wonder 7-0?

Stepping Stone at it finest.

It's not easy in any stretch of the imagination to succeed at SJSU. Both turnarounds are impressive in their own right.

cerec_cat · Post by **cerec_cat** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:15 am

Hope we look at entire body of work. Not just the success or failures of thus past season.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:14 pm

I have no doubt that Arizona is going to screw this whole thing up.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:16 pm

UofAlum05 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:14 pm I have no doubt that Arizona is going to screw this whole thing up.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:20 pm

UofAlum05 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:14 pm I have no doubt that Arizona is going to screw this whole thing up.

Wouldn't feel right if they didn't!

3rdand25 · Post by **3rdand25** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:10 pm

Harvey Specter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:43 pm I think you are the one who is quibbling. Coaching alone will not turn this program alone, and neither will recruiting. We need dramatic improvements on both fronts if we are to have ANY chance of returning to respectability.

Did Kelly’s on-field performance outpace his recruiting in Eugene? Arguably, yes. But to suggest that his recruiting was anything less than strong (he AVERAGED a top ~12 class in each season that he had a full year to recruit) is wholly inaccurate. In even our BEST year we have never had a coach who even SNIFFED that territory.

We need a TECTONIC shift in culture that includes (and is arguably LED by) significant improvements on the recruiting trail. This program needs someone who is laser-focused on EVERY detail than contributes to on-field success; it is not “this OR that”, it is ALL of it. (The notion that attention to detail is a flaw is one of the most laughable fallacies in modern culture).

There are many blue-prints for building a successful program, in terms of a coach’s prior pedigree, but there is not a SINGLE one that does not include getting good players (relative to the teams a program competes with). And for every “profile” of coach that succeeds in a new role (up and comer, hungry assistant, proven winner, etc) - there are plenty who fail (with similar CV’s).

I could count on one hand the number of coaches who would be a sure thing, and we are not getting a returned phone call for so much as an interview from ANY of them. This is another roll of the dice; hopefully the Gods will favor us with the cards we draw on this hand.

Reality check on all the drama. It ain't that bad folks.

Coaching at Arizona is not an impossible job. You make it sound like we can't even talk to a decent candidate.

4 of the last 6 coaches here have done OK.
Larry Smith
Dick Tomey
Mike Stoops
Rich Rodriguez

We don't need a genius or the second coming of Christ. Just a good football coach who is engaged in the job. That's it.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:40 pm

Looks like BB is picking up some steam. Hoping Choo comes in with a thumbs up soon

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:54 pm

It's going to be Jedd Fisch isn't it?

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:08 pm

I would be surprised if it's not Brennan. He will try to bring his staff but SJSU might promote the DC to be the new HC. In that case, look for Salave'a to be DC/AHC. Fipp might get scooped up if he doesn't have NFL offers on the table.

In re UofA · Post by **In re UofA** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:13 pm

Why does Robbins have an affinity for Fisch?

In re UofA · Post by **In re UofA** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:14 pm

Brennan as HC and Salave’a as DC is a solid start.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:15 pm

I really don't think there's a chance in hell Salave'a comes here to be DC.

aznavcat · Post by **aznavcat** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:56 pm

The AD has been saying all the right things. I think he gets it. The U of A president concerns me...it sounds like he's meddling in the hiring process (again) with Fisch. Recommend folks send their regards to: president@email.arizona.edu

We simply cannot afford another very expensive unforced error.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:22 pm

3rdand25 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:10 pm
Harvey Specter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:43 pm I think you are the one who is quibbling. Coaching alone will not turn this program alone, and neither will recruiting. We need dramatic improvements on both fronts if we are to have ANY chance of returning to respectability.

Did Kelly’s on-field performance outpace his recruiting in Eugene? Arguably, yes. But to suggest that his recruiting was anything less than strong (he AVERAGED a top ~12 class in each season that he had a full year to recruit) is wholly inaccurate. In even our BEST year we have never had a coach who even SNIFFED that territory.

We need a TECTONIC shift in culture that includes (and is arguably LED by) significant improvements on the recruiting trail. This program needs someone who is laser-focused on EVERY detail than contributes to on-field success; it is not “this OR that”, it is ALL of it. (The notion that attention to detail is a flaw is one of the most laughable fallacies in modern culture).

There are many blue-prints for building a successful program, in terms of a coach’s prior pedigree, but there is not a SINGLE one that does not include getting good players (relative to the teams a program competes with). And for every “profile” of coach that succeeds in a new role (up and comer, hungry assistant, proven winner, etc) - there are plenty who fail (with similar CV’s).

I could count on one hand the number of coaches who would be a sure thing, and we are not getting a returned phone call for so much as an interview from ANY of them. This is another roll of the dice; hopefully the Gods will favor us with the cards we draw on this hand.
Reality check on all the drama. It ain't that bad folks.

Coaching at Arizona is not an impossible job. You make it sound like we can't even talk to a decent candidate.

4 of the last 6 coaches here have done OK.
Larry Smith
Dick Tomey
Mike Stoops
Rich Rodriguez

We don't need a genius or the second coming of Christ. Just a good football coach who is engaged in the job. That's it.

Smith and Tomey were here decades (plural) ago, and both Stoops and Rodriguez were such resounding successes that they were both fired (with major public support for their terminations) after moderate tenures and with losing conference records. You define that as respectable, so be it. We can agree to disagree.

If it was easy, we would not be in the predicament we are in - which is the ntOSU PAC-12 program of my youth.

WE REALLY suck, Fortunately I do not get that wrapped up in this stuff anymore (hence my extended hiatus from this board), but diminishing the challenge of the predicament we are it does not make it any easier.

But a “can-do” attitude from the fan base will make it all better!

cerec_cat · Post by **cerec_cat** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:25 am

Harvey Specter wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:22 pm
3rdand25 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:10 pm
Harvey Specter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:43 pm I think you are the one who is quibbling. Coaching alone will not turn this program alone, and neither will recruiting. We need dramatic improvements on both fronts if we are to have ANY chance of returning to respectability.

Did Kelly’s on-field performance outpace his recruiting in Eugene? Arguably, yes. But to suggest that his recruiting was anything less than strong (he AVERAGED a top ~12 class in each season that he had a full year to recruit) is wholly inaccurate. In even our BEST year we have never had a coach who even SNIFFED that territory.

We need a TECTONIC shift in culture that includes (and is arguably LED by) significant improvements on the recruiting trail. This program needs someone who is laser-focused on EVERY detail than contributes to on-field success; it is not “this OR that”, it is ALL of it. (The notion that attention to detail is a flaw is one of the most laughable fallacies in modern culture).

There are many blue-prints for building a successful program, in terms of a coach’s prior pedigree, but there is not a SINGLE one that does not include getting good players (relative to the teams a program competes with). And for every “profile” of coach that succeeds in a new role (up and comer, hungry assistant, proven winner, etc) - there are plenty who fail (with similar CV’s).

I could count on one hand the number of coaches who would be a sure thing, and we are not getting a returned phone call for so much as an interview from ANY of them. This is another roll of the dice; hopefully the Gods will favor us with the cards we draw on this hand.
Reality check on all the drama. It ain't that bad folks.

Coaching at Arizona is not an impossible job. You make it sound like we can't even talk to a decent candidate.

4 of the last 6 coaches here have done OK.
Larry Smith
Dick Tomey
Mike Stoops
Rich Rodriguez

We don't need a genius or the second coming of Christ. Just a good football coach who is engaged in the job. That's it.
Smith and Tomey were here decades (plural) ago, and both Stoops and Rodriguez were such resounding successes that they were both fired (with major public support for their terminations) after moderate tenures and with losing conference records. You define that as respectable, so be it. We can agree to disagree.

If it was easy, we would not be in the predicament we are in - which is the ntOSU PAC-12 program of my youth.

WE REALLY suck, Fortunately I do not get that wrapped up in this stuff anymore (hence my extended hiatus from this board), but diminishing the challenge of the predicament we are it does not make it any easier.

But a “can-do” attitude from the fan base will make it all better!

there have been several programs that have "sucked" in the past, that are way more than respectable now

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:39 am

...Is today the day?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:04 am

MountainCat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:39 am ...Is today the day?

Maybe? I think for sure someone is offered the job today. Will all the details be hammered out for it to be done today? That's the question.

cerec_cat · Post by **cerec_cat** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:55 pm

Weird, I thought this page would be red hot today... Have we talked it to death?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:57 pm

cerec_cat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:55 pm Weird, I thought this page would be red hot today... Have we talked it to death?

I mean it's pretty clear what the situation is. It's likely either going to be Brennan or Niumatalolo and if Robbins is the complete utter dumb fuck we know him to be then it could be Fisch. Just the wait game now.

Login • Register