Pac-12 South Scenarios

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:38 pm

am I the only one who finds that graphic a little difficult to read/follow?

Lofty · Post by **Lofty** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:20 pm

3goggles wrote:Possible not probable!

Absolutely agree with you. Not likely.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:27 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:am I the only one who finds that graphic a little difficult to read/follow?

I figured it out, but it took a while.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:20 pm

azgreg wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:am I the only one who finds that graphic a little difficult to read/follow?
I figured it out, but it took a while.

I still haven't!! I'm color blind so I'm fucked!

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:15 pm

Just follow the lines out of the boxes. For example: The lines out of the USC side of the USC/UCLA box signify a USC win while the lines out of the UCLA side of the box signify a UCLA win. Using those 2 lines out of the USC side go to the WSU/ASU box. IF WSU wins USC wins the south. If ASU wins then wins the AZ/ASU game ASU wins the south.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:22 pm

I think our game vs ASU is on at the same time as UCLA / Stanford.

If UCLA wins tonight Arizona Stadium is going to be the craziest it's ever been.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:23 pm

Just beat ASU. I don't care about anything else. Just beat ASU.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:47 pm

Right now, I'm right there with OSUCat.

Winning the pac12 south....sure, I'd take it if it were to happen (with getting the help we'd need).

But beating ASsU....now THAT is what I want, regardless of what it means for the pac12 south.

FUCK ASsU

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:29 pm

Alieberman wrote:I think our game vs ASU is on at the same time as UCLA / Stanford.

If UCLA wins tonight Arizona Stadium is going to be the craziest it's ever been.

Yes Sir, we need help from UCLA this week and help from Stanford next week.

But in the end just beat the freaking "Tempe Sphincter Tards" and let the chips fall where they may.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:34 pm

I only care about beating asu

azpatnca · Post by **azpatnca** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:22 pm

So we want ucla to win tonight, then lose to Stanford, and we need to beat asu. Is that the only path? Because the tv guys said UA wants USC to win tonight. They probably weren't thinking it all the way through.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:23 pm

azpatnca wrote:So we want ucla to win tonight, then lose to Stanford, and we need to beat asu. Is that the only path? Because the tv guys said UA wants USC to win tonight. They probably weren't thinking it all the way through.

If USC wins we are out. We need UCLA tonight. Stanford next week, and of course for us to pound the AStUrds.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:27 pm

Alieberman wrote:I think our game vs ASU is on at the same time as UCLA / Stanford.

If UCLA wins tonight Arizona Stadium is going to be the craziest it's ever been.

When we win they are going to put that game on the jumbotron and no one will leave but the asstard fans

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:28 pm

azcat49 wrote:
Alieberman wrote:I think our game vs ASU is on at the same time as UCLA / Stanford.

If UCLA wins tonight Arizona Stadium is going to be the craziest it's ever been.
When we win they are going to put that game on the jumbotron and no one will leave but the asstard fans

Furd will beat UCLA

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:31 pm

9 and 2!

Beat ASSu!

9 and 2!

Beat ASSu!

9 and 2!

Beat ASSu!

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:59 pm

Yeah if ucla wins Arizona stadium will be crazy

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:10 am

Holy crap. UCLA did win. This is exciting. We win on Friday, UCLA gets curb stomped by Stanford...and then we dominant Oregon again. How far fetched is it to imagine we could be in the final 4 at 11 and 2? Take a look at our wins. And how we barely lost to USC by a wide right.

Okay, maybe a little cra cra with that last bit, but still..gah..USC..wide right..oh god.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:43 am

Even assuming furd helps us out and beats ucla (which the last time a pac team helped us out in football was....never?) and assuming we stomp on ASsU, and then assuming we beat Oregon......I just don't see us getting into the top 4 and into the playoff. Too many SEC teams ahead of us, for example, or other teams ahead of us who don't really have difficult games remaining.

I mean, in that scenario, I could see making a strong argument to put us in....I just don't think the selection/ranking committee would do it.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:22 am

I actually do.

We beat oregon twice giving them their two losses, I would say they would have to give the cats a serious look. Especially since their first loss has been downgraded due to "injuries" while ours are not.

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:25 am

I do too. I mean, it would be a shame if a PAC12 got left out of the playoffs.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:26 am

The PAC 12 champion will be in the 4, I guarantee it

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:42 am

If UCLA loses to Stanford the winner of the UofA/asu game plays Oregon in the Pac-12 championship.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:50 am

azcat49 wrote:The PAC 12 champion willbe in the 4, I guarantee it

If it's Oregon, yeah. if it's ucla, yeah. if it's us? that's where I'm not so sure. Given our current position in the rankings. Unless this win jumps us significantly upwards on tuesday or whenever the next ranking comes out. I think they'd use us as the pac12 champs as a way to just stick another sec team into the 4.

p.s. this is one of the reason I think a 4 team playoff is stupid. should have been at least 8.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:00 am

A lot of prominent people are coming around to the idea that a four team playoff is far inferior to an 8 or 16 team version.

A two-loss Arizona team having beaten Oregon at Autzen and on a neutral field would be in the playoff. I'm 99.9% sure of that, especially coming out of the Pac12 South. It's ASU that might be left out with only one neutral field win over Oregon.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:15 am

How crazy will next Friday afternoon be?

On the one hand, we will be rooting for the Cats to be beat the Scummies while pulling for Stanford against the Bruins.

BUT, if it looks like we are going to lose (shudder the thought) we will need to quickly switch gears and pull for the Bruins as no way we want ASSU in the Conference Championship game.

I will need to rest up this week...

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:23 am

Chicat wrote:A lot of prominent people are coming around to the idea that a four team playoff is far inferior to an 8 or 16 team version.

A two-loss Arizona team having beaten Oregon at Autzen and on a neutral field would be in the playoff. I'm 99.9% sure of that, especially coming out of the Pac12 South. It's ASU that might be left out with only one neutral field win over Oregon.

Good , maybe those prominent people can prompt a change...although I can't remember how many years this 4 team crap is locked in. 16 would be great, but I'd settle for 8.

I'll believe a 2 loss AZ team wold be in if they jump us fairly far in the next rankings. It would absolutely crack me up if assu were left out in the same scenario

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:52 am

Let's beat asu first

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:56 am

All I'm worried about is beating asu.. none of this matters if we don't.

illcat · Post by **illcat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:21 am

JUST BEAT assu!!!

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:23 pm

illcat wrote:JUST BEAT assu!!!

It is the only thing Arizona can control. Everyone agrees, but what happens next? It doesn't take the focus off destroying the devils to think about what the possible consequences of victory are.

Going into the last week of the season 4 teams are in the running for the PAC 12 championship Oregon, UCLA, Arizona, and ASSu. I think everyone agrees if Oregon wins out they are in the final 4, so the question is how would the committee end up looking at a 2 loss PAC 12 South team who beats Oregon in the conference championship game?

If I was on the committee here is how I would look at each of these teams if they won out.

Ucla
Record 11-2
Best Wins: ASSu, Arizona, USC, Oregon
Bad Losses: None.

Arizona
Record 11-2
Best Wins: Oregon, Utah, ASSu, Oregon
Bad Losses: None

ASSu
Record 11-2
Best Wins: USC, Utah, Arizona, Oregon
Bad Losses: Ucla (62-27), Oregon St

I believe UCLA and Arizona would make the final 4 because they are the PAC 12 champs and have no bad losses. ASSu would be left out because of losing by 35 points to a good team and losing to a team that won't make a bowl game.

ASSu winning out is the only scenario where the PAC 12 would not have a team in the championship bracket, so nothing changes. Everyone in the conference should be rooting against the scummies.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:26 am

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:17 am

azgreg wrote:

Awesome, does he have that type of pull with GB?

8 Team playoff is perfect.

Win your conference you're in for the power 5.
3 at large with 1 designated to a bad ass team from a weaker conference (like when the Marshalls, ECUs, and Boise Sts of the nation have a banner year).

Still use rankings/SOS/head-to-head/committee rankings etc for seeding.

16 waters it down too much. in this proposal you have to win your conference if you are in a power 5. Continue to make the regular season a playoff.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:44 am

CalStateTempe wrote:
azgreg wrote:
Awesome, does he have that type of pull with GB?

Oh, I would think maybe juuuust a bit.

illcat · Post by **illcat** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:03 am

CalStateTempe wrote:
azgreg wrote:
Awesome, does he have that type of pull with GB?

8 Team playoff is perfect.

Win your conference you're in for the power 5.
3 at large with 1 designated to a bad ass team from a weaker conference (like when the Marshalls, ECUs, and Boise Sts of the nation have a banner year).

Still use rankings/SOS/head-to-head/committee rankings etc for seeding.

16 waters it down too much. in this proposal you have to win your conference if you are in a power 5. Continue to make the regular season a playoff.

AH YEAH!!

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:24 am

It really irritates me that I have to keep hearing about Oregon's O-line injury when we played them. But no one brings up the fact that Nick Wilson didn't play against USC and wasn't 100% against UCLA.

I mean you don't think the player that scored 3 TD's in the game against Oregon would have made a difference in the following game against USC.

With that being said I hate the injury excuse being thrown at all in these rankings. Arizona went on the road at Oregon and beat a team that was favored by 24 points.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:29 am

No fluke either. Arizona controlled that game against the Ducks. They didn't just hang in there due to a few mistakes.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:31 am

UofAlum05 wrote:It really irritates me that I have to keep hearing about Oregon's O-line injury when we played them. But no one brings up the fact that Nick Wilson didn't play against USC and wasn't 100% against UCLA.

Injuries only matter if you're a media/national favorite I guess?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:32 am

PieceOfMeat wrote:
UofAlum05 wrote:It really irritates me that I have to keep hearing about Oregon's O-line injury when we played them. But no one brings up the fact that Nick Wilson didn't play against USC and wasn't 100% against UCLA.
Injuries only matter if you're a media/national favorite I guess?

Yep. Team Nike wants the Ducks in the playoffs, not Arizona.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:33 am

I've seen at least 3 articles recently claiming our win over Oregon was a complete fluke. Really pisses me off

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:34 am

UofAlum05 wrote:It really irritates me that I have to keep hearing about Oregon's O-line injury when we played them. But no one brings up the fact that Nick Wilson didn't play against USC and wasn't 100% against UCLA.

I mean you don't think the player that scored 3 TD's in the game against Oregon would have made a difference in the following game against USC.

With that being said I hate the injury excuse being thrown at all in these rankings. Arizona went on the road at Oregon and beat a team that was favored by 24 points.

One way to deal with the whole O-line thing is to point out that the 'Cats starting NG was a 6-1 237 lbs walk-on redshirt freshman going up against their all-world 6-3 297 lbs redshirt senior Center. . .

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:35 am

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1483866.html

You have got our undivided attention, Arizona.

The Wildcats reached their peak this season with an unexpected decimation of Utah on the road. Admit it, you weren’t that impressed with the ‘Cats prior to today. Sure, the 8-2 record was solid on paper, but the team had needed divine intervention earlier in the year to beat Cal and Washington. And the Oregon upset had a lot to do with a Duck O-line that had been gutted by injuries. Arizona still had a lot to prove to its critics today, which is exactly what it did in a four-quarter clinic.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:36 am

UofAlum05 wrote:It really irritates me that I have to keep hearing about Oregon's O-line injury when we played them. But no one brings up the fact that Nick Wilson didn't play against USC and wasn't 100% against UCLA.

Or TJG getting hurt in the U$C game...

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:36 am

UofAlum05 wrote:It really irritates me that I have to keep hearing about Oregon's O-line injury when we played them. But no one brings up the fact that Nick Wilson didn't play against USC and wasn't 100% against UCLA.

I mean you don't think the player that scored 3 TD's in the game against Oregon would have made a difference in the following game against USC.

With that being said I hate the injury excuse being thrown at all in these rankings. Arizona went on the road at Oregon and beat a team that was favored by 24 points.

One way to deal with the whole O-line thing is to point out that the 'Cats starting NG was a 6-1 237 lbs walk-on redshirt freshman going up against their all-world 6-3 297 lbs redshirt senior Center. . .

Lofty · Post by **Lofty** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:25 pm

Um.. UO's O line? Wow. If I recall right, we ran up and down the field on them that game. What's that got to do with their O line?

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:41 am

ESPN blog on where everyone stands:

UCLA

Record: 9-2 (6-2)
Rank: 8
Next big obstacle: Nov. Friday vs. Stanford

Reason for optimism: That Alabama and Oregon both have losses, yet are still ranked ahead of undefeated Florida State is a great sign for UCLA. It shows the selection committee is placing an emphasis on strength of schedule which gives hope for the Bruins that despite having two losses, they could jump one-loss teams with softer schedules. If UCLA wins out, it should expect to be in the playoff.

Cause for concern: Even if things break correctly, UCLA isn't assured anything. The committee could look back at some of its less impressive wins – double overtime against two-win Colorado doesn't scream “playoff team” -- and hold that against the Bruins should it come down to them or another team for the No. 4 spot.

Whom they'll be rooting for this week: No. 19 Ole Miss over No. 4 Mississippi State; Texas over No. 5 TCU; Michigan over No. 6 Ohio State; Texas Tech over No. 7 Baylor.

Arizona

Record: 9-2 (6-2)
Rank: 11
Next big obstacle: Friday vs. Arizona State

Reason for optimism: If Arizona beats ASU and Oregon, it would be no lower than No. 7 and as the Pac-12 champion would receive a fair amount of consideration for the final spot. Neither of the Wildcats' losses – USC after a missed field goal and on the road against UCLA – are unforgiveable and Arizona benefits from the Pac-12's overall strength. Among teams with two losses or less, Arizona's road win against No. 2 Oregon is the most impressive.

Cause for concern: If Stanford doesn't beat UCLA, Arizona doesn't have a chance.

Whom they'll be rooting for this week: Stanford over No. 8 UCLA

Arizona State

Record: 9-2 (6-2)
Rank: 13
Next big obstacle: Friday at Arizona

Reason for optimism: The Pac-12 champion, whoever it is, will be considered. That much has been clear by the committee's consistency in ranking Pac-12 teams favorably against the rest of the country. And because Arizona State is still in the mix to win the conference, a conceivable path to the playoff remains.

Cause for concern: The Sun Devils are ranked behind five two-loss teams, need UCLA to lose to Stanford, need to win on the road in the Territorial Cup and lost by 35 points (to UCLA) and to a team with a losing record (Oregon State). Their only win against a team ranked by the committee came at home against the No. 25 team (Utah) in overtime.

Whom they'll be rooting for this week: Stanford over UCLA

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:51 pm

Congrats on the South. Oregon has an Arizona problem

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:58 pm

Never thought it would happen with all the WHAT IFS.

UA is not that lucky.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:02 pm

For once, the college football gods were on our side....

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:02 pm

Figures it would wait until after Arizona could play for the Rose Bowl. Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:04 pm

Chicat wrote:For once, the college football gods were on our side....

The absolute improbable happened!

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