2022 Season Thread

[EastCoastCat]

But just when we think Stanford is done and gone they always seem to come back from the dead.

[Merkin]

Wilner has Shaw as the #1 overpaid coach in the PAC.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/10/21/ ... -yourself/

1. Stanford’s David Shaw
2021 salary: $8.9 million
Contract length: unknown
Comment: The figure is actually for the 2019 calendar year, according to USA Today, and represents a significant one-time bump from Shaw’s usual compensation. (Typically, he approaches $5 million annually.) Still, it’s a whopper of a number that places Shaw on the same level as coaches who regularly reach the College Football Playoff. It also renders laughable the university’s justification (budget woes) for attempting to cut 11 Olympic sports.
Verdict: Overpaid. Nobody is worth $8.9 million, except Nick Saban.


Guess Shaw is another Sumlin. Without Manziel, Sumlin was just a middling to awful coach.

Shaw had McCafferty, and look at the team now.

[gronk4heisman]

Does anyone have/know the spring football schedule?

[azcat49]

I don’t think they have announced it yet. I heard they would do that after the February signing day

[azgreg]

[TheCatInTheHat]

Everybody's got an opinion, and that's what we're here for. Consider this an initial stab on a white board to start some dialogue. There's always the "(so-and-so) has shown me nothing" and also the "there's no way (so-and-so) doesn't start from day one." My bias is with veterans who've been in the system and have the requisite size and strength, unless somebody's got overwhelming talent (speed/moves) at a position where that matters even more than minimizing mistakes. (Also subject to glaring weakness at a particular position.) Also, if anybody's got specific knowledge that a player I haven't listed is, in fact, returning and should vie for PT, I'd really appreciate that info.

(1) OFFENSE:
Jayden de Laura QB 6-0 190
Michael Wiley RB 5-11 205
Jamarye Joiner WR 6-1 210
Ma'jon Wright WR 6-2 195
Anthony Simpson WR 5-11 185
Alex Lines TE/HB 6-5 245
Jordan Morgan LT 6-6 310
J.T. Hand OL 6-4 310
Josh Baker C/G 6-3 305
Davis Divall OL 6-5 295
Paiton Fears OT 6-6 305

(1) DEFENSE:
Jalen Harris DE 6-5 255
Dion Wilson DT 6-4 285
Kyon Barrs DT 6-3 295
Tiaoalii Savea DE 6-4 275
Malik Reed OLB 6-1 225
Hunter Echols MLB 6-5 245
Jerry Roberts OLB 6-2 225
C. Roland-Wallace CB 6-0 195
Jaxen Turner S 6-1 210
Christian Young S/V 6-3 215
Isaiah Rutherford CB 6-1 195

(1) KICKER/PUNTER
Tyler Loop K 6-0 180
Kyle Ostendorp P 6-1 215

(2) OFFENSE:
Jordan McCloud QB 6-0 200
Rayshon Luke RB 5-8 175
Dorian Singer WR 6-1 185
Tetairoa McMillan WR 6-4 185
Jacob Cowling WR 5-11 170
Keyan Burnett TE 6-4 225
Joe Borjon OL 6-8 330
Woody Jean OL 6-5 300
Anthony Patt OL 6-5 275
Leif Magnuson OL 6-4 295
David Watson OL 6-6 290

(2) DEFENSE:
Paris Shand DE 6-5 280
Evan Branch-Haynes DT 6-2 310
Ugochuckwu Nosikie DT 6-3 290
Jason Harris DE 6-7 255
Jabar Triplett OLB 6-1 240
Issaiah Johnson MLB 6-1 240
Anthony Solomon OLB 6-1 215
Treydan Stukes CB 6-1 185
Jaydin Young S 6-0 190
Gunner Maldonado S 6-0 195
McKenzie Barnes CB 6-2 185

POTENTIAL BREAK-THROUGHS (INJURY/SPECIAL TEAMS):
Stevie Rocker RB 6-0 200
Kevin Greene WR 5-11 165
Jonah Saviinaea OL 6-3 330
Jacob Reece OL 6-5 295
Nahe Sulunga DE 6-3 255
Jacob Rich Kongaika DT 6-2 280
Sterling Lane LB 6-4 235
Ephesians Prysock CB 6-3 175
D.J. Warnell CB 6-2 200
Tacario Davis CB 6-2 185
Taitai Uiagalelei DE 6-4 255

[gronk4heisman]

Everybody's got an opinion, and that's what we're here for. Consider this an initial stab on a white board to start some dialogue. There's always the "(so-and-so) has shown me nothing" and also the "there's no way (so-and-so) doesn't start from day one." My bias is with veterans who've been in the system and have the requisite size and strength, unless somebody's got overwhelming talent (speed/moves) at a position where that matters even more than minimizing mistakes. (Also subject to glaring weakness at a particular position.) Also, if anybody's got specific knowledge that a player I haven't listed is, in fact, returning and should vie for PT, I'd really appreciate that info.

(1) OFFENSE:
Jayden de Laura QB 6-0 190
Michael Wiley RB 5-11 205
Jamarye Joiner WR 6-1 210
Ma'jon Wright WR 6-2 195
Anthony Simpson WR 5-11 185
Alex Lines TE/HB 6-5 245
Jordan Morgan LT 6-6 310
J.T. Hand OL 6-4 310
Josh Baker C/G 6-3 305
Davis Divall OL 6-5 295
Paiton Fears OT 6-6 305

(1) DEFENSE:
Jalen Harris DE 6-5 255
Dion Wilson DT 6-4 285
Kyon Barrs DT 6-3 295
Tiaoalii Savea DE 6-4 275
Malik Reed OLB 6-1 225
Hunter Echols MLB 6-5 245
Jerry Roberts OLB 6-2 225
C. Roland-Wallace CB 6-0 195
Jaxen Turner S 6-1 210
Christian Young S/V 6-3 215
Isaiah Rutherford CB 6-1 195

(1) KICKER/PUNTER
Tyler Loop K 6-0 180
Kyle Ostendorp P 6-1 215

(2) OFFENSE:
Jordan McCloud QB 6-0 200
Rayshon Luke RB 5-8 175
Dorian Singer WR 6-1 185
Tetairoa McMillan WR 6-4 185
Jacob Cowling WR 5-11 170
Keyan Burnett TE 6-4 225
Joe Borjon OL 6-8 330
Woody Jean OL 6-5 300
Anthony Patt OL 6-5 275
Leif Magnuson OL 6-4 295
David Watson OL 6-6 290

(2) DEFENSE:
Paris Shand DE 6-5 280
Evan Branch-Haynes DT 6-2 310
Ugochuckwu Nosikie DT 6-3 290
Jason Harris DE 6-7 255
Jabar Triplett OLB 6-1 240
Issaiah Johnson MLB 6-1 240
Anthony Solomon OLB 6-1 215
Treydan Stukes CB 6-1 185
Jaydin Young S 6-0 190
Gunner Maldonado S 6-0 195
McKenzie Barnes CB 6-2 185

POTENTIAL BREAK-THROUGHS (INJURY/SPECIAL TEAMS):
Stevie Rocker RB 6-0 200
Kevin Greene WR 5-11 165
Jonah Saviinaea OL 6-3 330
Jacob Reece OL 6-5 295
Nahe Sulunga DE 6-3 255
Jacob Rich Kongaika DT 6-2 280
Sterling Lane LB 6-4 235
Ephesians Prysock CB 6-3 175
D.J. Warnell CB 6-2 200
Tacario Davis CB 6-2 185
Taitai Uiagalelei DE 6-4 255

Love seeing things like this, I have a few disagreements on who would beat out who but outside of arguing the unknown there were a few positional corrections I think need to be made. Shand is a DT not a DE, Echols an OLB or DE not a MLB and Warnell a S not a CB.

[dmjcat]

Didn't David Watson enter the transfer portal??

I would put the UTEP transfer WR (Cowling) on the 1st team in place of Simpson. Most think he has a possible NFL future.

Seeing Paiton Fears as 1st string OT scares me. I don't disagree with the choice as he's all we got........but he got a bunch of QB's killed last year.

[gronk4heisman]

Didn't David Watson enter the transfer portal??

I would put the UTEP transfer WR (Cowling) on the 1st team in place of Simpson. Most think he has a possible NFL future.

Seeing Paiton Fears as 1st string OT scares me. I don't disagree with the choice as he's all we got........but he got a bunch of QB's killed last year.

I feel the same about Jordan Morgan, Fears at least I feel like he has gotten better. Really hoping Jonah is as good as reports are saying and is able to beat out one of them.

[dmjcat]

Didn't David Watson enter the transfer portal??

I would put the UTEP transfer WR (Cowling) on the 1st team in place of Simpson. Most think he has a possible NFL future.

Seeing Paiton Fears as 1st string OT scares me. I don't disagree with the choice as he's all we got........but he got a bunch of QB's killed last year.

I feel the same about Jordan Morgan, Fears at least I feel like he has gotten better. Really hoping Jonah is as good as reports are saying and is able to beat out one of them.

Unfortunately, I believe that Jonah is an interior OL, not an offensive tackle.

Jordan Morgan was injured early in the season (SD State game?). He was never 100% after that......at least he had an excuse

[gronk4heisman]

Didn't David Watson enter the transfer portal??

I would put the UTEP transfer WR (Cowling) on the 1st team in place of Simpson. Most think he has a possible NFL future.

Seeing Paiton Fears as 1st string OT scares me. I don't disagree with the choice as he's all we got........but he got a bunch of QB's killed last year.

I feel the same about Jordan Morgan, Fears at least I feel like he has gotten better. Really hoping Jonah is as good as reports are saying and is able to beat out one of them.

Unfortunately, I believe that Jonah is an interior OL, not an offensive tackle.

Jordan Morgan was injured early in the season (SD State game?). He was never 100% after that......at least he had an excuse

I was not aware of that, hopefully that is the case and he sees a big jump. Regardless, we lose two from the rotation (Laie and McCauley) and add are only expecting to add two (Divall and Jonah) so I am not sure how much of a jump we could really expect. Maybe Stovall and Reese can make an impact and maybe some of the lower level guys who have yet to play find a role (Jean, Magnuson, Stefanski, Langi, Eckhardt) can contribute.

[Chicat]

Is knowing the system all that much of a benefit? I mean, that “knowledge” produced one win, and I’d be willing to bet the coaches dumbed things way down for certain position groups.

[AV8RCAT]

Is knowing the system all that much of a benefit?

I would think so. Practices become more efficient and more work gets done.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Is knowing the system all that much of a benefit?

I would think so. Practices become more efficient and more work gets done.

Yes and no. I mean, it's better to know the system, but the guys you'd think know the system tend to be less talented than the newer guys.

So for the long term, it's more about teaching the system and not worrying about who has it down. We're still a ways away. I'd be putting my reps into the guys who will be the best a year from now, not the ones who are the best today.

[azcat49]

It’s always interesting that these QB’s for the most part have never taken a snap from under center until they hit a program and system like ours.

DeLauria said he has never played with a TE in the offense. All those guys mostly were spread guys in high school. Just find the speed mismatch pre snap and throw. Here they have their reads and must understand the different levels for their throws.

No doubt DeLauria is the most talented and I do think he wins the job. Question is will he excel in this offense of struggle for a bit. Hopefully the spring game is a bit more serious and we can tell something from it

[Sid]

Kong! I can’t believe this cat is a PWO? Team Captain DLine from freaking Mater Dei…..from his workouts yesterday, I would say this kid is coming in ready to ball.

What a beast!!!

[AV8RCAT]

Is knowing the system all that much of a benefit?

I would think so. Practices become more efficient and more work gets done.

Yes and no. I mean, it's better to know the system, but the guys you'd think know the system tend to be less talented than the newer guys.

So for the long term, it's more about teaching the system and not worrying about who has it down. We're still a ways away. I'd be putting my reps into the guys who will be the best a year from now, not the ones who are the best today.

I was thinking players with time in the system can help the others and more can get done in practice.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Is knowing the system all that much of a benefit?

I would think so. Practices become more efficient and more work gets done.

Yes and no. I mean, it's better to know the system, but the guys you'd think know the system tend to be less talented than the newer guys.

So for the long term, it's more about teaching the system and not worrying about who has it down. We're still a ways away. I'd be putting my reps into the guys who will be the best a year from now, not the ones who are the best today.

I was thinking players with time in the system can help the others and more can get done in practice.

Across the board, I totally agree that this is part of establishing a culture. A good culture, experienced guys help internal development as much as coaches do.

That said, you need competition too. Ideally, that means the talented guys are getting reps and the experienced guys are pushing the learning curve forward.

[azgreg]

Kong! I can’t believe this cat is a PWO? Team Captain DLine from freaking Mater Dei…..from his workouts yesterday, I would say this kid is coming in ready to ball.

What a beast!!!

I'm going to go ahead and mark you down for on the fence.

[Merkin]

Anyone know when de Lauria is arriving on campus?

McCloud started out 3rd on the depth chart since he had to finish academics at CFU and couldn't attend spring camp. Took him a few games to get up to speed on the playbook.

[azgreg]

Anyone know when de Lauria is arriving on campus?

McCloud started out 3rd on the depth chart since he had to finish academics at CFU and couldn't attend spring camp. Took him a few games to get up to speed on the playbook.

I believe he's already on campus.

[gronk4heisman]

Anyone know when de Lauria is arriving on campus?

McCloud started out 3rd on the depth chart since he had to finish academics at CFU and couldn't attend spring camp. Took him a few games to get up to speed on the playbook.

De Laura is already on campus. He will be here for all the spring practices.

[Jefe]

Anyone know when de Lauria is arriving on campus?

[Sid]

Kong! I can’t believe this cat is a PWO? Team Captain DLine from freaking Mater Dei…..from his workouts yesterday, I would say this kid is coming in ready to ball.

What a beast!!!

I'm going to go ahead and mark you down for on the fence.

Love it! Seriously, this kid is a DL walk on coming off a recent HS natty.

Pretty amazing.

[AV8RCAT]

Is knowing the system all that much of a benefit?

I would think so. Practices become more efficient and more work gets done.

Yes and no. I mean, it's better to know the system, but the guys you'd think know the system tend to be less talented than the newer guys.

So for the long term, it's more about teaching the system and not worrying about who has it down. We're still a ways away. I'd be putting my reps into the guys who will be the best a year from now, not the ones who are the best today.

I was thinking players with time in the system can help the others and more can get done in practice.

Across the board, I totally agree that this is part of establishing a culture. A good culture, experienced guys help internal development as much as coaches do.

That said, you need competition too. Ideally, that means the talented guys are getting reps and the experienced guys are pushing the learning curve forward.

Yep, with the biggest one year influx of talent I've ever seen hit a program, everyone will have to step up their game. Hoping for a synergy we didn't have in the installation year.
Teaching others, makes you focus on and remember details, keeping you honed as well.

[azgreg]

[UAEebs86]

[UAEebs86]

[azcat49]

I wonder what they are going to do with that turf? Seems like every coach changes things up a bit but I don’t know if Fisch likes that surface or not? I would think it is due for a change as it has to be 10 years old

[Chicat]

Need more trophies in that case.

[azgreg]

I wonder what they are going to do with that turf? Seems like every coach changes things up a bit but I don’t know if Fisch likes that surface or not? I would think it is due for a change as it has to be 10 years old

I thought I read somewhere that we are going back to natural grass soon.

[UAEebs86]

I wonder what they are going to do with that turf? Seems like every coach changes things up a bit but I don’t know if Fisch likes that surface or not? I would think it is due for a change as it has to be 10 years old

I thought I read somewhere that we are going back to natural grass soon.

Don't tease me.

[Merkin]

Wasn't there some historical significance to the original grass at Arizona Stadium?

Hopefully there is some clone out there.

[EastCoastCat]

Wasn't there some historical significance to the original grass at Arizona Stadium?

Yeah, I got laid on that grass.

[UAEebs86]

[Carcassdragger]

Wasn't there some historical significance to the original grass at Arizona Stadium?

Yeah, I got laid on that grass.

So did I! Honestly, on the 50 yard line. 1984 I think.

You're not a hot Tucson native girl are you?

[EastCoastCat]

Wasn't there some historical significance to the original grass at Arizona Stadium?

Yeah, I got laid on that grass.

So did I! Honestly, on the 50 yard line. 1984 I think.

You're not a hot Tucson native girl are you?

No, but you might have been tapping my ex-girlfriend.

[azcat49]

Wasn't there some historical significance to the original grass at Arizona Stadium?

Hopefully there is some clone out there.

When Tucson National changed out their greens, the UofA took it and installed it in AZ stadium. For several years it won awards as the best turf in america

[azgreg]

I got laid on that grass.

So did I!

Maybe.................

[Merkin]

Wasn't there some historical significance to the original grass at Arizona Stadium?

Yeah, I got laid on that grass.

[Carcassdragger]

Wasn't there some historical significance to the original grass at Arizona Stadium?

Yeah, I got laid on that grass.

So did I! Honestly, on the 50 yard line. 1984 I think.

You're not a hot Tucson native girl are you?

No, but you might have been tapping my ex-girlfriend.

Hmm. I took her there. (I thought) Maybe she took you there? Or maybe she took us both there?

[azgreg]

[Abrahamarvel]

IIRC Rich Rod installed field turf? Because its better for the run game?

[Merkin]

You can practice all week and all year on the artificial turf, and it's easier to maintain.

The 3 high schools where I live even in a cool moderate climate all switched to turf just for maintenance reasons.

[azgreg]

[CopaCat]

Noticed on Desert Swarm a few position changes. Shontrail Key is moving to OLine from D and James Bohls is now a LB instead of a RB. Also seems Celestine might have a bit of a role as both a corner and returner.

Also of note, they mentioned us using a 4-2-5 or 4-1-6 scheme under Nansen.

[UAEebs86]

[azgreg]

[UAEebs86]

Years? I thought DeLaura wants to go pro after this year. (thought he would be old enough)

[Chicat]

That catch was……