I don't even know what it is, but the fact that this has been handled similarly to the Elliott Pitts/Max Hazzard situations probably means it's similar and we'll never publicly hear anything.UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:11 amAre we ever going to find out what happened with Aiken, or is he just going to fade off into the distance?ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:42 amThat's probably fair at this point.Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:36 am He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter
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That's what I was afraid of. Thanks Choo.
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Is this speculation or do you have a little knowledge?Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:36 am He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter
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You can tell the gravity of the situation by the level of silence - like viewing a black hole in space.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:25 pmIs this speculation or do you have a little knowledge?Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:36 am He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter
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This keeps happening too much to the basketball program at this point and I'd argue each situation up to this point (once again I'm not clear on Aiken's situation, but I'm assuming here) was handled as piss poor as it gets. The Hazzard situation was a bogus false claim and it was obvious from the start. The Pitts situation was two equally HIGHLY anebriated college kids doing what two highly anebriated college kids end up doing, which got compounded by a sibling walking in on it. The university has to find a better way of handling situations like this and I know it's not easy, but this is just stupid at this point.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:14 amYou can tell the gravity of the situation by the level of silence - like viewing a black hole in space.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:25 pmIs this speculation or do you have a little knowledge?Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:36 am He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter
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Agreed. Feels really unfair to the players but I'm not sure what the answer is (beyond, just get this reviewed and done with ASAP). You have to take allegations seriously but the AD, et al should also be cognizant that pulling players and hiding them away is incredibly harmful to the player.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:43 amThis keeps happening too much to the basketball program at this point and I'd argue each situation up to this point (once again I'm not clear on Aiken's situation, but I'm assuming here) was handled as piss poor as it gets. The Hazzard situation was a bogus false claim and it was obvious from the start. The Pitts situation was two equally HIGHLY anebriated college kids doing what two highly anebriated college kids end up doing, which got compounded by a sibling walking in on it. The university has to find a better way of handling situations like this and I know it's not easy, but this is just stupid at this point.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:14 amYou can tell the gravity of the situation by the level of silence - like viewing a black hole in space.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:25 pmIs this speculation or do you have a little knowledge?Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:36 am He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter
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I think this is all speculation. It could be anything including anxiety, depression, illness etc. I find it a bit disconcerting that we are intimating that it was some type of issue that is not just what it is made out to be, Personal.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:43 amThis keeps happening too much to the basketball program at this point and I'd argue each situation up to this point (once again I'm not clear on Aiken's situation, but I'm assuming here) was handled as piss poor as it gets. The Hazzard situation was a bogus false claim and it was obvious from the start. The Pitts situation was two equally HIGHLY anebriated college kids doing what two highly anebriated college kids end up doing, which got compounded by a sibling walking in on it. The university has to find a better way of handling situations like this and I know it's not easy, but this is just stupid at this point.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:14 amYou can tell the gravity of the situation by the level of silence - like viewing a black hole in space.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:25 pmIs this speculation or do you have a little knowledge?Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:36 am He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter
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This is correct.TheCat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:04 pm I think we are misunderstanding the scholarship reduction process. The ones I have seen are 2 scholarships reductions in 3-4 years. In other words you have 3 years to take them. Could be one for 2 years in a row or any other way. I have never heard of them saying take away something you already offered. Maybe I'm wrong but don't think so.
And it's entirely possible (likely, I think) that while we haven't publicly announced that we've held back a scholarship as a self-sanction, we've privately submitted that punishment to the IARP. You don't have to declare it publicly ("I declare bankruptcy!") for it to count... and really what service is there in adding another to the media chatter another talking point about Arizona facing a recruiting punishment.
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We're not speculating as much as you think.
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It is what it is. Talking about it won’t make it go away, and only invites further speculation.
We should just let it go. For all intents and purposes, Aiken is not a part of the team.
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I still want to know why Nancy Evans was kicked to the curb.
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It is speculation, but it most definitely fits the pattern. I do know it’s not an illness (he’s working out in Tucson) nor does he have a history of anxiety/depression (doesn’t mean he isn’t suffering from it now). He’s still going to school fwiw. I’ll stop speculating about it, but my point still stands in the university needing to handle situations like Pitts/Hazzard much better.TheCat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:44 pmI think this is all speculation. It could be anything including anxiety, depression, illness etc. I find it a bit disconcerting that we are intimating that it was some type of issue that is not just what it is made out to be, Personal.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:43 amThis keeps happening too much to the basketball program at this point and I'd argue each situation up to this point (once again I'm not clear on Aiken's situation, but I'm assuming here) was handled as piss poor as it gets. The Hazzard situation was a bogus false claim and it was obvious from the start. The Pitts situation was two equally HIGHLY anebriated college kids doing what two highly anebriated college kids end up doing, which got compounded by a sibling walking in on it. The university has to find a better way of handling situations like this and I know it's not easy, but this is just stupid at this point.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:14 amYou can tell the gravity of the situation by the level of silence - like viewing a black hole in space.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:25 pmIs this speculation or do you have a little knowledge?Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:36 am He could have 5 years of eligibility left... it still wouldn't matter
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The previous coaching staff was also horrible at handling these type of situations. My guess is Tommy and his staff will take a different approach.
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Isn't it basically identical (wall of silence) so far?Alieberman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:09 pm The previous coaching staff was also horrible at handling these type of situations. My guess is Tommy and his staff will take a different approach.
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Seems like the coaches shouldn’t really be involved.
Other than to say “no comment “.
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That's how I see it with a Pitts-type situation. It's a sensitive thing where coaches saying things influences serious real world stuff.Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:10 pm Seems like the coaches shouldn’t really be involved.
Other than to say “no comment “.
Look at Izzo's intervention in criminal allegations. That's a no bueno for me.
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In the Pitts situation Miller thought it would be a good idea to sit Pitts on the bench a few seats away from Mason….
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Is he next year or the following?
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He is currently in the 2023 class.
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Timeline shouldn't be that much longer, probably at most by the end of the season or in the summer.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:45 pmChoo or others, any news on this guy? Seems like he could be a major player next season.
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Any sense which way he’s leaning? Or is this anyone’s guess? Seems like he’d be a great fit for Lloyd’s style.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:56 am Timeline shouldn't be that much longer, probably at most by the end of the season or in the summer.
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I'm confident.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:23 amAny sense which way he’s leaning? Or is this anyone’s guess? Seems like he’d be a great fit for Lloyd’s style.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:56 am Timeline shouldn't be that much longer, probably at most by the end of the season or in the summer.
Also KJ Lewis is visiting today.
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That's great news. Any chance whatsoever one of them could reclassify to '22, or are we past that? I'm just thinking about losing Kier and Mathurin.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:41 amI'm confident.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:23 amAny sense which way he’s leaning? Or is this anyone’s guess? Seems like he’d be a great fit for Lloyd’s style.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:56 am Timeline shouldn't be that much longer, probably at most by the end of the season or in the summer.
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Yes, we are gonna need some shooting next year!
Maybe C-Lo can develop his range.
Maybe C-Lo can develop his range.
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C-Lo has to be drawing attention from NBA scouts. I'm not confident he'll be back, but we'll see.U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:26 pm Yes, we are gonna need some shooting next year!
Maybe C-Lo can develop his range.
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The only possible reclass guy as far as I'm aware is Proctor and it's far from a sure thing he goes that route.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:19 pmThat's great news. Any chance whatsoever one of them could reclassify to '22, or are we past that? I'm just thinking about losing Kier and Mathurin.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:41 amI'm confident.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:23 amAny sense which way he’s leaning? Or is this anyone’s guess? Seems like he’d be a great fit for Lloyd’s style.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:56 am Timeline shouldn't be that much longer, probably at most by the end of the season or in the summer.
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i believe if everyone returns other than Mathurin Arizona will be even better next year.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:21 pm
The only possible reclass guy as far as I'm aware is Proctor and it's far from a sure thing he goes that route.
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That’s where “we want to be” on that subject.97cats wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:24 pmi believe if everyone returns other than Mathurin Arizona will be even better next year.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:21 pm
The only possible reclass guy as far as I'm aware is Proctor and it's far from a sure thing he goes that route.
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Given our success this year and style of play along with probable scholarship reductions, I would think for potentially that last scholly we would take our pick from the portal for that last spot
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How does subtracting Mathurin make us better? I hear you about our roster looking pretty solid for next year, but I don't see anyone on next year's roster (yet) with the slashing talent or athleticism of Mathurin.97cats wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:24 pmi believe if everyone returns other than Mathurin Arizona will be even better next year.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:21 pm
The only possible reclass guy as far as I'm aware is Proctor and it's far from a sure thing he goes that route.
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All this team needs to step forward is a deadeye shooter. A Salim type with no fear. Benn is in a slump. I think he put a lot of pressure on himself with all the talk about the league and lottery. Hopefully he will make a strong recovery because he is key to a long run.
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Just a year more experience with the other players. Going to miss Kier though. He is really an unheralded player, and rarely gets in the conversation of good UA players.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:40 pmHow does subtracting Mathurin make us better? I hear you about our roster looking pretty solid for next year, but I don't see anyone on next year's roster (yet) with the slashing talent or athleticism of Mathurin.97cats wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:24 pmi believe if everyone returns other than Mathurin Arizona will be even better next year.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:21 pm
The only possible reclass guy as far as I'm aware is Proctor and it's far from a sure thing he goes that route.
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If Nowell and Bal can increase their muscle mass and on-court IQ, there’s no reason they couldn’t split his minutes.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:40 pmHow does subtracting Mathurin make us better? I hear you about our roster looking pretty solid for next year, but I don't see anyone on next year's roster (yet) with the slashing talent or athleticism of Mathurin.97cats wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:24 pmi believe if everyone returns other than Mathurin Arizona will be even better next year.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:21 pm
The only possible reclass guy as far as I'm aware is Proctor and it's far from a sure thing he goes that route.
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Is this Proctor guy an Aussie? Ive never heard of him.
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Yes, Proctor is an Aussie.RichardCranium wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:42 pm Is this Proctor guy an Aussie? Ive never heard of him.
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Boswell interview. Visiting the UA on the 19th
https://www.on3.com/news/5-star-kylan-b ... d-options/
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“I have talked about going to 2022 with my parents, and we are not sure,”dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:24 am Boswell interview. Visiting the UA on the 19th
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very interesting...would be an awesome development for us imo
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Well, I've never seen projected NIL value in recruiting rankings before.dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:34 pm 2023 AZ Basketball Offers
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