Conference Realignment

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:26 pm

I mean, you could have the entire states of Colorado, Utah, and Arizona as your markets, or you could have Fresno.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:40 pm

The idea that Canzano makes shit up is so stupid. Completely telling on yourself being a Scheer and Luke fanboy

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:52 pm

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:15 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:45 pm It's wants and desires based on actions, statements, and in some cases, inside information. It's no secret UW and Oregon want out of the PAC. Heck, they petitioned to join the B1G. It was denied.
You keep talking like you’ve got something besides your gut emotions. UW and Oregon petitioned to join the B1G? When? Can you provide the text of the document, letter, statement… anything?

The only thing we ever heard was that the B1G was no longer interested in pursuing any other teams except maybe Notre Dame after they added USC/UCLA. You have now created a story in your mind where UO/UW “petitioned” to join as well and were turned down flat.

It’s all in your head, but you’ll come back talking like you know what Oregon wants. What Phil Knight wants. What the B1G Commissioner wants (pssst… there isn’t one). What prominent people are lobbying for. How Amazon views the current marketplace. Whether Sasquatch is a UW or WSU fan and if he’ll accept them splitting up into different conferences.

It’s not real. It’s just your synapses misfiring.

It was reported Washington and Oregon met with B1G representatives about joining the league. The numbers didn't work out and B1G Presidents decided to stand pat at the moment.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/100 ... 2-collapse

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foo ... conference

Rumor is, the math didn't work out. UW and Oregon wouldn't add value. Not would they dilute B1G value.

There have been zero meetings between Oregon and or UW and the BIG12. There likely never be any.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:54 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:40 pm The idea that Canzano makes shit up is so stupid. Completely telling on yourself being a Scheer and Luke fanboy

Of course you don't like people that are for leaving the PAC. It goes against the narrative you are for. Yeah Big12 is totally in talks with Fresno. The fact that you automatically start to spaz out with every mention or even a little hint of Scheer is telling.

Lets see if you can control yourself this time...

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:03 pm

You are so incredibly wrong it is incredible. I have zero narrative. I have zero desire except for wanting to have all options on the table when Robins and Heeke make their decision. That is it.

Luke and Scheer have hated on Canzano for months now. Canzano does not make shit up. He is told things from his sources and he reports on that. You can say it is biased towards the PAC-12 since it is coming from AD and Presidents who want to stay in the PAC-12 but he aint making shit up or "getting it wrong". The hate for Canzano is just proof of fanboying those two and not actually thinking rationally or independently

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:05 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:52 pm
CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:15 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:45 pm It's wants and desires based on actions, statements, and in some cases, inside information. It's no secret UW and Oregon want out of the PAC. Heck, they petitioned to join the B1G. It was denied.
You keep talking like you’ve got something besides your gut emotions. UW and Oregon petitioned to join the B1G? When? Can you provide the text of the document, letter, statement… anything?

The only thing we ever heard was that the B1G was no longer interested in pursuing any other teams except maybe Notre Dame after they added USC/UCLA. You have now created a story in your mind where UO/UW “petitioned” to join as well and were turned down flat.

It’s all in your head, but you’ll come back talking like you know what Oregon wants. What Phil Knight wants. What the B1G Commissioner wants (pssst… there isn’t one). What prominent people are lobbying for. How Amazon views the current marketplace. Whether Sasquatch is a UW or WSU fan and if he’ll accept them splitting up into different conferences.

It’s not real. It’s just your synapses misfiring.
It was reported Washington and Oregon met with B1G representatives about joining the league. The numbers didn't work out and B1G Presidents decided to stand pat at the moment.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/100 ... 2-collapse

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foo ... conference

Rumor is, the math didn't work out. UW and Oregon wouldn't add value. Not would they dilute B1G value.

There have been zero meetings between Oregon and or UW and the BIG12. There likely never be any.

You said they “petitioned” to join. Nowhere was that ever reported. You made that shit up. Stop making shit up. Just stop.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:13 pm

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:05 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:52 pm
CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:15 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:45 pm It's wants and desires based on actions, statements, and in some cases, inside information. It's no secret UW and Oregon want out of the PAC. Heck, they petitioned to join the B1G. It was denied.
You keep talking like you’ve got something besides your gut emotions. UW and Oregon petitioned to join the B1G? When? Can you provide the text of the document, letter, statement… anything?

The only thing we ever heard was that the B1G was no longer interested in pursuing any other teams except maybe Notre Dame after they added USC/UCLA. You have now created a story in your mind where UO/UW “petitioned” to join as well and were turned down flat.

It’s all in your head, but you’ll come back talking like you know what Oregon wants. What Phil Knight wants. What the B1G Commissioner wants (pssst… there isn’t one). What prominent people are lobbying for. How Amazon views the current marketplace. Whether Sasquatch is a UW or WSU fan and if he’ll accept them splitting up into different conferences.

It’s not real. It’s just your synapses misfiring.
It was reported Washington and Oregon met with B1G representatives about joining the league. The numbers didn't work out and B1G Presidents decided to stand pat at the moment.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/100 ... 2-collapse

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foo ... conference

Rumor is, the math didn't work out. UW and Oregon wouldn't add value. Not would they dilute B1G value.

There have been zero meetings between Oregon and or UW and the BIG12. There likely never be any.
You said they “petitioned” to join. Nowhere was that ever reported. You made that shit up. Stop making shit up. Just stop.

Maybe petitioned was too strong a word. But there were definite talks between the PAC NW schools and B1G representatives.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:17 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:20 pm Yeah that Fresno State/Big 12 shenanigans is coming from the PAC 12 offices. There’s literally nothing to it.

Exclusive look at that meeting:

I can't imagine any P5 conference ever even talking about inviting FSU.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:08 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:03 pm You are so incredibly wrong it is incredible. I have zero narrative. I have zero desire except for wanting to have all options on the table when Robins and Heeke make their decision. That is it.

Luke and Scheer have hated on Canzano for months now. Canzano does not make shit up. He is told things from his sources and he reports on that. You can say it is biased towards the PAC-12 since it is coming from AD and Presidents who want to stay in the PAC-12 but he aint making shit up or "getting it wrong". The hate for Canzano is just proof of fanboying those two and not actually thinking rationally or independently

I never said he was lying. But his sources are extremely biased. So when I see Canzano, I skip. The fact you even said his sources are biased and have a narrative to push and you still fight for his honor is kinda funny. But please continue.
Whos not actually thinking rationally or independently again?

GlobalCat · Post by **GlobalCat** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:13 pm

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:12 pm From Canzano, the BIG12 is talking with Boise St and Fresno St., plus Gonzaga for basketball only. But at best, only believe 50% of the rumors that are floating out there when it comes to conference talks (https://www.ksl.com/article/50582096/ca ... c-12-plots)

Hating on Canzano is fair game, but the information he reported makes perfect sense. Yomarck is a Corp Dev guy - he's going to take meetings with schools he has no interest in because it's a chance to learn more about what they are thinking, hearing, etc. You learn from your team, your advisors, and what others are saying in the market. Guys with his background feel negligent if they aren't engaged in folks looking to do deals as that's one of the best times to find out competitive intel.

GlobalCat · Post by **GlobalCat** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:15 pm

From the article: "• For the Pac-12, the expansion decision will be driven by media value. The conference needs to add TV households and inventory to replace the loss of USC and UCLA. San Diego's TV market would add 1.13 million households. DFW would add nearly 3 million TV households. Yes, I know that neither school traditionally brings huge ratings, but again, expansion is about adding media markets."

"On that note, Houston has 2.45 million television households. It's why I keep thinking about Rice University as a possible Pac-12 addition. The academic profile of Rice fits. If the Pac-12 is serious about SMU, I wonder if Rice becomes the travel partner."

1.This is also how media guys thing about the market. Tradition, rivalries, etc. are great, but potential household viewership matters more (and is often wildly miscalculated).

2. Schools like Stanford & Cal likely see SMU and Rice as acceptable peers - not commuter schools like SDSU and UNLV.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:39 pm

Hating on Canzano the way some media guys are really makes our alumni base look awful

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:59 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:40 pm The idea that Canzano makes shit up is so stupid. Completely telling on yourself being a Scheer and Luke fanboy

Canzano writes what he’s told to write.

The Fresno State stuff is pure comedy.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:00 pm

GlobalCat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:13 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:12 pm From Canzano, the BIG12 is talking with Boise St and Fresno St., plus Gonzaga for basketball only. But at best, only believe 50% of the rumors that are floating out there when it comes to conference talks (https://www.ksl.com/article/50582096/ca ... c-12-plots)

Hating on Canzano is fair game, but the information he reported makes perfect sense. Yomarck is a Corp Dev guy - he's going to take meetings with schools he has no interest in because it's a chance to learn more about what they are thinking, hearing, etc. You learn from your team, your advisors, and what others are saying in the market. Guys with his background feel negligent if they aren't engaged in folks looking to do deals as that's one of the best times to find out competitive intel.

Fresno State has a sport in the Big 12.

GlobalCat · Post by **GlobalCat** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:25 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:00 pm
GlobalCat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:13 pm
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:12 pm From Canzano, the BIG12 is talking with Boise St and Fresno St., plus Gonzaga for basketball only. But at best, only believe 50% of the rumors that are floating out there when it comes to conference talks (https://www.ksl.com/article/50582096/ca ... c-12-plots)

Hating on Canzano is fair game, but the information he reported makes perfect sense. Yomarck is a Corp Dev guy - he's going to take meetings with schools he has no interest in because it's a chance to learn more about what they are thinking, hearing, etc. You learn from your team, your advisors, and what others are saying in the market. Guys with his background feel negligent if they aren't engaged in folks looking to do deals as that's one of the best times to find out competitive intel.
Fresno State has a sport in the Big 12.

Lol, today I learned Yormack has covered everything from ROC to the rodeo.

(And yes, I know equestrian is different than rodeo)

https://big12sports.com/news/2019/5/2/211802356.aspx

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:53 pm

Do they do rifle, which is an NCAA sport?

PAC-12 does the same thing. Cal Poly SLO, CSU Bakersfield and UALR all wrestle in the PAC. Tough to field all those teams from member institutions due to Title IX.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:42 pm

The BIG-12 has meat judging.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:01 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:08 pm

Whoops

Macho Grande · Post by **Macho Grande** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:36 pm

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:41 pm

I am not doubting Scheer but that makes zero sense for an AD to say that in that setting

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:51 pm

Awesome! They can take our spot.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 7:15 pm

I thought it was interesting that both Utah and CU had their AD’s Traveling with them to ASSU and AZ. That couldn’t be a coincidence could it?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:11 am

Told "people"? What people? No one else is reporting that.

PAC presidents haven't even voted yet, and they need 8 out of 10 votes to get in.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:17 am

Pretty damning article from Pete Thamel, who works for ESPN, the network we're supposed to be primary partners with on this upcoming deal.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:30 am

For those of us not willing to give ESPN any money, what is the executive summary? It's behind a paywall.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:37 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:30 am For those of us not willing to give ESPN any money, what is the executive summary? It's behind a paywall.

Basically this along with the fact ESPN and Amazon could be working together on an expanded Big 12.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:42 am

So to recap, according to sources.... its looking like AZ is either:

Staying in the Pac as is
Staying in the Pac adding teams like SDSU, SMU, UNLV
Moving to the Big 12
Merging the Pac with the Big 12
Merging the Pac with the ACC

I'm glad this is clear

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:52 am

azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:01 pm

What this would mean for Arizona - Back to the Wac

SabinoDrifter · Post by **SabinoDrifter** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:19 am

How does this lineup not fire you up as an Arizona football fan on August 31, 2024!?

Noon - UCLA @ Michigan (FOX)
Noon - Oklahoma @ Georgia (ESPN)
3:30pm - Penn State @ Wisconsin (CBS)
4pm - TCU v. Clemson (ESPN)
7:30pm - Ohio State @ USC (NBC)
7:30pm - LSU @ Texas (ESPN)
11:00pm - SMU @ Arizona (Amazon)

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:20 am

SabinoDrifter wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:19 am How does this lineup not fire you up as an Arizona football fan on August 31, 2024!?

Noon - UCLA @ Michigan (FOX)
Noon - Oklahoma @ Georgia (ESPN)
3:30pm - Penn State @ Wisconsin (CBS)
4pm - TCU v. Clemson (ESPN)
7:30pm - Ohio State @ USC (NBC)
7:30pm - LSU @ Texas (ESPN)
11:00pm - SMU @ Arizona (Amazon)

The ratings will be through the roof!!!!

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:28 am

Just don’t get all these rumors. First the Presidents meet in Tempe and GK gives them info which seems to point at needed expansion.

Then he goes to Dallas to meet with SMU after having met in December with SDST. Now reports are that these two schools can’t get enough votes to enter? Why have him go on the goose chase if they didn’t want them in the first place.

Next was reports GK offered an olive brand to BY to talk mergers with the BIG 12 but Furd and Cal want no part of it supposedly. Could this thing be more F’ed up?

GlobalCat · Post by **GlobalCat** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:34 am

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:20 am
SabinoDrifter wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:19 am How does this lineup not fire you up as an Arizona football fan on August 31, 2024!?

Noon - UCLA @ Michigan (FOX)
Noon - Oklahoma @ Georgia (ESPN)
3:30pm - Penn State @ Wisconsin (CBS)
4pm - TCU v. Clemson (ESPN)
7:30pm - Ohio State @ USC (NBC)
7:30pm - LSU @ Texas (ESPN)
11:00pm - SMU @ Arizona (Amazon)
The ratings will be through the roof!!!!

For many of us not living in Arizona, streaming is the only option to watch games.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:40 am

I don't live in Arizona and I don't have to stream.

It may be your decision, but to say it's the "only option" is untrue.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:03 pm

GlobalCat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:34 am For many of us not living in Arizona, streaming is the only option to watch games.

I think any deal that includes the Pac-12 Network remaining can be good for the network. Nothing says that it would operate the same way it's operating now. The Pac should think about reducing it down to maybe just two channels and do what they can to get them on streaming platforms.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:08 pm

That is correct, you can get the PAC-12 Network on Dish, but I prefer streaming over satellite. I just turn Sling TV on for football and basketball season, then turn it off. I stream everything outside of UA sports and the local news, since I hate commercials.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:15 pm

GlobalCat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:34 am
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:20 am
SabinoDrifter wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:19 am How does this lineup not fire you up as an Arizona football fan on August 31, 2024!?

Noon - UCLA @ Michigan (FOX)
Noon - Oklahoma @ Georgia (ESPN)
3:30pm - Penn State @ Wisconsin (CBS)
4pm - TCU v. Clemson (ESPN)
7:30pm - Ohio State @ USC (NBC)
7:30pm - LSU @ Texas (ESPN)
11:00pm - SMU @ Arizona (Amazon)
The ratings will be through the roof!!!!

For many of us not living in Arizona, streaming is the only option to watch games.

So for those of you not living in Arizona, you can't get ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU/ABC/CBS/FOX/FS1 without streaming? Am I supposed to believe that, although I get all those networks without living in Arizona?

I get streaming Pac 12 Network, hell I stream our games illegally when on that network, but the majority of our games and our most consequential games on our current TV deal are on the networks I listed above.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:21 pm

GlobalCat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:34 am
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:20 am
SabinoDrifter wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:19 am How does this lineup not fire you up as an Arizona football fan on August 31, 2024!?

Noon - UCLA @ Michigan (FOX)
Noon - Oklahoma @ Georgia (ESPN)
3:30pm - Penn State @ Wisconsin (CBS)
4pm - TCU v. Clemson (ESPN)
7:30pm - Ohio State @ USC (NBC)
7:30pm - LSU @ Texas (ESPN)
11:00pm - SMU @ Arizona (Amazon)
The ratings will be through the roof!!!!

For many of us not living in Arizona, streaming is the only option to watch games.

How about ESPN +, would that work for you?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:32 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:28 am Just don’t get all these rumors. First the Presidents meet in Tempe and GK gives them info which seems to point at needed expansion.

Then he goes to Dallas to meet with SMU after having met in December with SDST. Now reports are that these two schools can’t get enough votes to enter? Why have him go on the goose chase if they didn’t want them in the first place.

Next was reports GK offered an olive brand to BY to talk mergers with the BIG 12 but Furd and Cal want no part of it supposedly. Could this thing be more F’ed up?

Don't take anything that MHver guy says at gospel or factual stuff. Only pay attention to the actual numerous media outside of Pac 12 country that's reporting the TV deal on the table for the Pac 12 is bad. Also what intrigues me is Mandel saying there's a possibility that ESPN/Amazon team up on the Big 12 expansion foot as opposed to going with the Pac 12.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:04 pm

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:13 pm

Again not questioning or challenging Scheer but isn't it crazy no national people have mentioned the SDSU AD saying that?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:33 pm

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:28 pm

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:36 pm

So the behind-the-scenes PR blitz is now trying to make it seem like Apple is an actual player in negotiations to drive up the numbers?

Good luck with all that…

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:52 pm

Gotta laugh at Stanford and Cal going to the Mountain West. That is the least plausible scenario I have seen yet. They have a better chance to go to the Big 10.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:15 pm

Stanford and CAL would rather go independent before they aligned themselves with Mountain West Schools. And while athletically, Stanford isn't worth as much as UW and Oregon, and CAL, a far distance back, academically, the Bay Areas have a lot of clout. If the B1G could get the two Bays and Oregon and UW at a discount, I think they take all four.

I've also heard that NBC isn't completely out either. Their contract with Notre Dame runs out in 2024, and no guarantee NBC re-ups for the cost. They could pay less for a PAC-12 game and get a lot more content. NBC might also be looking at games on USA, which already airs Premiere League Soccer games and some other sports.

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:40 pm

I have no idea why NBC would re-sign Notre Dame.

Of course I said the same thing the last time negotiations came up.

In fact, I think I wondered as a child why they signed them in the first place.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:04 pm

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:36 pm So the behind-the-scenes PR blitz is now trying to make it seem like Apple is an actual player in negotiations to drive up the numbers?

Good luck with all that…

No. Apple is legit in the running

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:06 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:52 pm Gotta laugh at Stanford and Cal going to the Mountain West. That is the least plausible scenario I have seen yet. They have a better chance to go to the Big 10.

At what? 25% share?

Cal and Stanford don't bring close to the revenue needed for a full share.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:18 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:06 pm At what? 25% share?

Cal and Stanford don't bring close to the revenue needed for a full share.

I didn't say they were going to the Big 10. Just that they had a better chance of going to the Big 10 than the MWC.

So even a 1% chance of getting in the B1G is still greater than a 0.0001% chance for the MWC.

Stanford has had a lock or near lock on the Director's Cup for the most championships in all sports for many years. Even the 2 years they didn't get it they came in 2nd.

Also the academics of both Bay Area schools are well renowned, and the Big 10 has the best academic rating of any major conference.

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