The Washington Fighting Whities

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:11 am

If anyone wants any unofficial official Washington Redskins gear, I'll be making it in my basement this weekend. And now there's nothing Dan Snyder can do to stop me...

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:33 am

So, basically they have no control over distribution and licensing, which provides monetary incentive to change name to moniker they can control, best earn funds on.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:35 am

Couldn't they just change their logo?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:40 am

It's the name, not the logo. Although the logo's got to go too.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:42 am

So I just checked the copyright office, and the "Fighting Whities" is trademarked by a guy "HSP"...

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:46 am

So what's now interesting is that all kinds of names/logos could be deemed "offensive" and be up for losing their copyright protection. A lot of people in Advertising/Marketing/Branding circles are not happy this morning. Can you imagine if Dove had to change their name and logo because it's deemed possibly offensive to Christians? Or the Red Cross? Or Jewie Jew's Kosher Hot Dogs?

Olsondogg wrote:So I just checked the copyright office, and the "Fighting Whities" is trademarked by a guy "HSP"...

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:01 am

Do NFL teams make money on licensing and distribution and selling of team gear or does it all go into a pot of all the teams in the league and then distributed evenly among the teams?

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:24 am

Evenly amongst all owners save for Cowboys, who keep their revenue.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:25 am

Deadspin photoshop contest: http://deadspin.com/photoshop-contest-t ... 570345/all

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:54 pm

Saw a bit about this on OTL (ESPN), the ruling is stayed while its being appealed and it could be appealed to about 4 different levels of courts. It took 8 years to get this decision! Even if the WFW's federal trademark protection is lost, they still might be protected by each state's common law.

I like this action. A previous action was lost on the technicality of laches which is essentially sitting on your rights. The new plaintiffs were 18 years old or so so laches can't be a defense this time (new adults who had no previous right to bring suit).

I can't understand why the WFW don't change their name. This shouldn't be a close issue.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:14 pm

I can't wait for the name change. The name is totally insensitive to Native Americans.

In fact, as soon as they change their name, I'm totally gonna go scalp some tickets for them.

ElGatoBlanco · Post by **ElGatoBlanco** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:23 pm

Chicat wrote:It's the name, not the logo. Although the logo's got to go too.

What's wrong with the logo exactly? Have you seen Florida State's new logo? I think the Skins logo is more than fine and respectable, while obviously their name sure isn't. The Cleveland Indians nickname and logo are both equally as offensive IMO.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:36 pm

ElGatoBlanco wrote:
Chicat wrote:It's the name, not the logo. Although the logo's got to go too.
What's wrong with the logo exactly?

It's this generic and incorrect representation of all Native Americans that goes hand-in-hand with the name. Florida State at least represents a Seminole. The Indians logo is worlds better than their old drunken Indian one. I just never understood why he doesn't have a dot on his forehead.

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:12 pm

Alieberman wrote:I can't wait for the name change. The name is totally insensitive to Native Americans.

In fact, as soon as they change their name, I'm totally gonna go scalp some tickets for them.

Is scalping going to go the way of the Redskin?

George Costanza · Post by **George Costanza** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:14 pm

Alieberman wrote:I can't wait for the name change. The name is totally insensitive to Native Americans.

In fact, as soon as they change their name, I'm totally gonna go scalp some tickets for them.

Have you made reservations for season tickets?

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:23 pm

Has anyone seen an article that contain or heard of any LEGITIMATE alternative names for the Redskins. I do like their color scheme so I would imagine that it would stay intact.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:54 pm

washington warriors
washington pigskins
washington red hogs
washington senators
washington red hawks
washington warhawks
washington federals

i personally would vote for federals or red hawks.

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:01 pm

BigSkyCatinMT · Post by **BigSkyCatinMT** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:19 pm

*Brooklyn Italians (U.S. soccer)
*Boston Celtics
*Notre Dame FIGHTING IRISH
*Minnesota Vikings
*Atlanta Braves
*Golden State Warriors
*Cleveland State Vikings
*Idaho Vandals
*ULL Ragin-cajuns.
*Luther College "Norsemen"
*Mcalester college "Fighting Scots".
*Michigan State - Spartans
*USC Trojans
*Suaquehanna Crusaders
*Union College Dutchmen
*Penn Quakers

To quote Drako in Dragonheart - "Are we going to take this to it's final stupidity'?

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:38 pm

None of those denote racial affiliation through use of denigrating descriptive.

Most are innocuous, still others are playful region or relationship specific.

No reason a team can't be Warriors.

But Redskins literally has two inferences, that of a referent to race by skin color, and two, a derogatory term used as referent to the scalped heads of natives.

How is that an appropriate name, let alone for a team housed in the nation's capital, a capital that has a checkered history dealing with race and, specifically, the ancestors of the few remaining referents?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:51 pm

BigSkyCatinMT wrote:To quote Drako in Dragonheart - "Are we going to take this to it's final stupidity'?

Looks like you just did.

Someone let me know when a Spartan gets upset about MSU's nickname.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:59 pm

So much derp from our resident mountain hick

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:43 am

washington elite
washington oligarchs
washington otters
washington bribe
washington bagmen
washington bureaucrats
washington capitals
washington turd blossoms
washington big dogs
washington slime

UAtrue · Post by **UAtrue** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:17 am

the real dill wrote:

...
That's really funny. First reaction was "WTF?" Then the grammer police in me woke up.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:52 am

pc in NM wrote:washington elite
washington oligarchs
washington otters
washington bribe
washington bagmen
washington bureaucrats
washington capitals
washington turd blossoms
washington big dogs
washington slime

Washington Gridlocks
Washington Foggy Bottoms

Best reason to change it is that the original owner was racist. Last NFL team to integrate. Thought of the team as representing the entire South.

Fight song, written by his daughter, included: "Scalp 'um, swamp 'um we will take 'um big score." My high school, the Warriors, used to sing the same thing. So insensitive.

Sportswriter Shirley Povich once wrote: “Jim Brown, born ineligible to play for the Redskins, integrated their end zone three times yesterday.”

That's a tradition you want to honor by keeping "Redskins"?

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:11 am

gumby wrote:Sportswriter Shirley Povich once wrote: “Jim Brown, born ineligible to play for the Redskins, integrated their end zone three times yesterday.”
That's a tradition you want to honor by keeping "Redskins"?

That's a great line by Povich. I have no clue why the Redskins' owner is making this a big issue. What I want to tell him when he defends the name is . .

[youtube]5hfYJsQAhl0[/youtube]

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:17 am

gumby wrote: My high school, the Warriors, used to sing the same thing. So insensitive.

Glad to see they switched.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:06 pm

Next up? Minnesota Vikings. I know some really pissed off Norwegians...

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:10 am

http://www.hulu.com/watch/691893

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:29 am

This is more about getting attention than being offended.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:57 am

Daryl Zero wrote:http://www.hulu.com/watch/691893

Are NFL fans really that fat, or is it just the Washington fans?

1/12 Cherokee. I don't think that's possible is it? 1/16th perhaps. 1/8th. 3/16th.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:31 am

Salty wrote:This is more about getting attention than being offended.

I dare you to tell that to the face of a native American

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:31 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Salty wrote:This is more about getting attention than being offended.
I dare you to tell that to the face of a native American

Ok?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:37 pm

Never understand why people would constantly choose to be on the wrong side of history of so many social issues. Equal rights, Gay Marriage.... this.

The name will change one day and the following generation will ask "How come they didn't change it so long ago?"

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:55 pm

Salty wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
Salty wrote:This is more about getting attention than being offended.
I dare you to tell that to the face of a native American
Ok?

Pretty sure your "toughness" would be crushed in a quick 2 second ass kicking if you did.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:59 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Salty wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
Salty wrote:This is more about getting attention than being offended.
I dare you to tell that to the face of a native American
Ok?
Pretty sure your "toughness" would be crushed in a quick 2 second ass kicking if you did.

Says the guy who's never been in a fight.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:26 pm

What would that have to do with you getting your ass kicked after insulting a whole race of people? Absolutely nothing is the answer. However, with all your big internet tough guy talk and bragging I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see you tumble like a house of cards in a real even fight

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:12 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:What would that have to do with you getting your ass kicked after insulting a whole race of people? Absolutely nothing is the answer. However, with all your big internet tough guy talk and bragging I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see you tumble like a house of cards in a real even fight

You're so stupid, it's almost comical.

Nobody is going to fight anybody over that word. That's not something to fight about.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:22 pm

Salty wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:What would that have to do with you getting your ass kicked after insulting a whole race of people? Absolutely nothing is the answer. However, with all your big internet tough guy talk and bragging I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see you tumble like a house of cards in a real even fight

You're so stupid, it's almost comical.

Nobody is going to fight anybody over that word. That's not something to fight about.

Outside of a car or casino, I sense you've never been on a Rez, where just whiteness without the slur is often times met with rage. I've been physically threatened, accosted for mere presence, helping. Imagine if I tributed them with the slur?

I'm sure they just would have high-fived me.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:30 pm

I know a number of Native Americans and none of them give a rats ass about the Washington Redskins.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:13 pm

azgreg wrote:I know a number of Native Americans and none of them give a rats ass about the Washington Redskins.

I know a number of Native Americans as well (my family) and they do give a rat's ass about that team's name.

Now, which of our sets of anecdotal evidence is more compelling?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:13 pm

I'm concerned by the continued use of the Redskins name because it sends the message that skin color and associated stereotypical attributes basically undermines people's ability to self-identify and actively present themselves. It's not up to the whites who don't suffer the effects of this practice to say it isn't important or it's silly or whatever. The damage it does is for real. The stuff we've inflicted on native peoples is bad enough without putting them through this.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:21 pm

The pussification of America.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:28 pm

You're one of the biggest pussies I've ever come across Salty

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:28 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:You're one of the biggest pussies I've ever come across Salty

If you say so.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:34 pm

Salty wrote:The pussification of America.

Lack of strength and courage is living with the status quo, especially when you benefit from it.

pokinmik · Post by **pokinmik** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:45 am

Salty wrote:The pussification of America.

More like the continued asshole-ness of Americans like you.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:36 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:55 am

The Fighting Whities lost their bid to reinstate their trademark protections.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:35 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the ... 44430.html

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