GlobalCat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:02 pm
Many other PAC-12 (particularly the academic) schools will not affiliate due to concerns around treatment of women, minorities, and the LGBTQ communities, the strictness and inconsistent application of their code of conduct, partial aversion to scientific based research, and issues around censorship. You can have a fit about it, but that is the reality.
But allowing Colorado as our example, that is not at all how the reality plays out. Colorado, a self-fancying hippie mecca which prides itself every bit as progressively advanced as Berkeley or Eugene, took they first chance they could get to run back to the Big 12 despite any dreaded BYU affiliations.
Colorado’s board of presidents and chancellors took less then 24 hours to cast a unanimous vote to join the Big 12. Without a bit of hesitation paid to BYU.
Promised $32M of shared conference revenue and all those values supposedly held high in Boulder were ignored.
True, but they were also former Big-12 members. More of a reunion than new relationship.
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 8:53 pm
Or we will end up waiting for the PAC 09 to promise us 18 mil per year and be on streaming platform for 70% of our games while the Big 13 becomes the big 16 without us.
Hopefully we can save 14 million by only having to fly to Seattle and Pullman instead of Orlando and Morgantown.
Here's hoping for Prime video as the carrier of our streaming games.
You're shorting the amount of streaming we're going to have to sign on for considerably. It'll all be Apple too btw, no Amazon.
Arizona State might have the most surprisingly anemic history in men's basketball of any program that you might think is better than it is.
-Norlander.
Hmmm. Apparently our application to the big 12 was accepted??
Arizona State might have the most surprisingly anemic history in men's basketball of any program that you might think is better than it is.
-Norlander.
Sad day for the conference of champions but we had no choice if we were to survive. I personally didn't want this to happen. I put this squarely on the presidents and Larry "snake oil" Scott.
Oregon State, SDSU, Virginia Tech, & Louisville would round this conference out nicely.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
Personally, I would have put this thread in the Football Forum as that's the sport that really drove this move but I'm being picky this morning for some reason.
Chi - why do you say OSU? Just for a NW presence? I agree with the others though.
Man, it's going to be weird as I have only known Arizona really as a PAC school. Our second year in the league was during my Freshman year.
EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:37 am
Chi - why do you say OSU? Just for a NW presence? I agree with the others though.
Fanbase enthusiasm, geography (NW presence and closer to Portland than Eugene), sneaky good at the revenue sports, culture, fit, color scheme, mascot… I don’t know. They just feel like a fit to me.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
TheCat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:16 pm
Sad day for the conference of champions but we had no choice if we were to survive. I personally didn't want this to happen. I put this squarely on the presidents and Larry "snake oil" Scott.
Agree, it blows and I hate seeing the 108 year legacy of the pac 12 end because of nothing
i was going to put the ua/asu records here...but i forgot what they were.
TheCat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:16 pm
Sad day for the conference of champions but we had no choice if we were to survive. I personally didn't want this to happen. I put this squarely on the presidents and Larry "snake oil" Scott.
Agree, it blows and I hate seeing the 108 year legacy of the pac 12 end because of nothing other than greed and mismanagement by Larry Scott and people like ASU's president. But it is necessary for the UA to survive. Time to get used to road trips to Waco and Lubbock and Ames and Manhattan Kansas.
i was going to put the ua/asu records here...but i forgot what they were.
84Cat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:15 pm
Are teams rotated for this so they left all of us newbies out?
Has to be a scheduling issue. Meaning, the newcomers have their schedules set for 24 and don’t have openings during the dates of the B12 - BE games.
On another note, the awesomeness of the B12 conference in basketball is and has been significantly overblown. The conference schedules OOC so insanely weak you never get a clue of their quality and then the conference underperforms in the NCAAT just about every season.
Folks, especially media and quasimedia folks, have been so butthurt over the P10/12 they have sold you all a bill of goods on the B12.
Oh, and basketball doesn’t matter. Consider keeping that in maid as Yormark is selling leveraging off hoops and when this all blows up in 3 years lol.
Can you name a better basketball conference right now that’s better top to bottom? I can’t.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
6 of the 8 B12 tournament teams did not make it out of the 1st weekend and the conference’s record was sub 500. Last year’s tournament record off the top of my head was about the same.
Adding ASU CU and Utah isn’t going to help. If KU starts to decay …
Winger wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:43 am
6 of the 8 B12 tournament teams did not make it out of the 1st weekend and the conference’s record was sub 500. Last year’s tournament record off the top of my head was about the same.
Adding ASU CU and Utah isn’t going to help. If KU starts to decay …
Ah, but that wasn’t my question.
In any case, I’d rather be in the Big XII than our other options which were to stick it out in the PAC4-6 or join the MWC.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
Winger wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:43 am
6 of the 8 B12 tournament teams did not make it out of the 1st weekend and the conference’s record was sub 500. Last year’s tournament record off the top of my head was about the same.
Adding ASU CU and Utah isn’t going to help. If KU starts to decay …
Ah, but that wasn’t my question.
In any case, I’d rather be in the Big XII than our other options which were to stick it out in the PAC4-6 or join the MWC.
For sure and my point wasn’t that the B12 isn’t the best conference. For starters I dunno how to even make that analysis. But the quality of the conference is overblown. In part because they literally play nobody out of conference:
Big 12 OOC SOS ranks
Houston 226th
ISU 345th
Baylor 93rd
BYU 329th
UT 275th
TTech 226th
TCU 357th
OU 320th
KSU 197th
OkSt 327th
WVu 108th
KU 62nd
Cinci 297th
UCF 334th
How are we to know how good the conference is based on that mess, plus the lousy NCAAT performance? When those 2 things keep happening how long to we need to dismiss them? KU won like 12 conference regular season titles in a row at one point, what’s that say about quality depth at the top of the conference? Is there a 2nd elite level performing program that isn’t a Johnny Come Lately or didn’t fade away?
Seriously over-rated and an easy conference to shade in your NCAAT bracket.
Arizona and Robbins lost/failed the conference realignment sweepstakes and got relegated. Maybe it was the best available landing spot, and the only one available, but it still stinks. Hopefully it all blows up in 3 years.
SCCats wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:05 am
You’re not feeling the Conference of Truck Stops?
I am super bummed that SC and UCLA killed off the Pac.
Stanford and Cal didn’t help much either in terms of possible expansion.
It's truly hard to find any administrator at any single Pac-12 university from the Larry Scott hire to now that wasn't somewhat responsible for the downfall of the conference. Incompetence of the highest order all around by so many so called smart people.
Just like the other P4 leagues, the Big XII has its share of smaller towns that wouldn't be vacation destinations. We've got Ames and some others, and they've got (among others) Lafayette, Starkville, and Blacksburg (not to forget Pullman and others in the old Pac.) For some reason, Dallas/Ft. Worth, Houston, Cincinnati, Orlando, etc. are left off some discussions of the new league, which also adds Phoenix, greater Denver, Salt Lake, and Tucson.
azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:32 am
The truck stop mantra is so fucking stupid. Name a town in the PAC-12 that doesn't have a truck stop.
"Is" vs "has"
“If you have the choice between humble and cocky, go with cocky. There's always time to be humble later, once you've been proven horrendously, irrevocably wrong.”
azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:32 am
The truck stop mantra is so fucking stupid. Name a town in the PAC-12 that doesn't have a truck stop.
Pullman is an international city with a vibrant downtown featuring numerous Michelin starred restaurants that is a draw for tourists from all corners of the world. There are CERTAINLY no truck stops there. Just EV charging stations hidden cleverly amongst public sculptures, manicured green spaces, and world-renowned architecture. It is the Brussels of Southeastern Washington.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
TheCat wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:59 am
Chi that might be a bit of an exaggeration but they do have good bars.
Inebriation is mandatory.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
TheCat wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:59 am
Chi that might be a bit of an exaggeration but they do have good bars.
Inebriation is mandatory.
It's the only sure way to prevent hangover.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:32 am
The truck stop mantra is so fucking stupid. Name a town in the PAC-12 that doesn't have a truck stop.
Pullman is an international city with a vibrant downtown featuring numerous Michelin starred restaurants that is a draw for tourists from all corners of the world. There are CERTAINLY no truck stops there. Just EV charging stations hidden cleverly amongst public sculptures, manicured green spaces, and world-renowned architecture. It is the Brussels of Southeastern Washington.
Even if Love comes back I don’t see Arizona moving up more than one spot.
"Arizona got uppercutted out of the 2018 tournament by No. 13 Buffalo, which delivered one of the most overwhelming, lopsided upsets by a double-digit seed in tournament history (89-68). "
enfuego wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:07 pm
Even if Love comes back I don’t see Arizona moving up more than one spot.
Your expert unbiased analysis is as welcome as ever.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
enfuego wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:07 pm
Even if Love comes back I don’t see Arizona moving up more than one spot.
God you guys sucked last year.
But other than that their fans were assholes.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
enfuego wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:07 pm
Even if Love comes back I don’t see Arizona moving up more than one spot.
Remember when KU signed Dickinson and everyone lost their minds thinking you guys were going to set the world on fire and waltz to the Final Four? Me too.
Self is quickly becoming one of the main coaches who's done less with more over the course of his career.
"Arizona got uppercutted out of the 2018 tournament by No. 13 Buffalo, which delivered one of the most overwhelming, lopsided upsets by a double-digit seed in tournament history (89-68). "
Winger wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 12:36 pm
Anyone else heard, or is it otherwise out there, that the B12 is adding WSU and OSU?
I heard this past week that that was going down and to expect an announcement within the next couple months.
Sourcing is difficult for me to attest to however.
I've seen the rumors on Twitter from the same guy that was right about the Pac 12 falling. He also has rumors about the ACC crumbling next.
It sounds like it could be legit. Personally I'm not too excited about it but if it happens, it happens.
“The reality is that the hardest games to win are over teams on their home court. Teams that don’t play those games can spin it however they want, but what they’re saying is, ‘We don’t want to lose in our non conference season.’" - Sean Miller
Winger wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 12:36 pm
Anyone else heard, or is it otherwise out there, that the B12 is adding WSU and OSU?
I heard this past week that that was going down and to expect an announcement within the next couple months.
Sourcing is difficult for me to attest to however.
If it happens I don't think it happens until 2026. Reason being that they own all the rights to the Pac-12 at this point and if they leave before Summer 2026 then everything gets split up between all 12 Pac members. I doubt OSU/Wazzu or the Big 12 wants any of that money or rights to the television network equipment going to the remaining 6 old Pac 12 schools.
Where have you heard that noise from Winger? If you're getting it from your sources then I'm willing to take the thought of it more seriously.
