Cats can't compete regularly in recruiting with the big schools & their money

[Chicat]

I wish I was as good at anything as the NCAA is at losing court cases.

[dmjcat]

"Big time NIL"

This is, unfortunately, a preview of the future for the UA under the new NIL landscape. The Cats don't have "Big Time NIL" and are going to have difficulty competing against the B1G/SEC and other monied schools.

IMO, Congress needs to step in and put the "Amateur" back in college sports.

How long before athletes will not even be required to enroll in school??? College football/basketball might as well be classified as Minor Leagues or Semi-Pro

[Merkin]

How long before athletes will not even be required to enroll in school??? College football/basketball might as well be classified as Minor Leagues or Semi-Pro

Especially when many of them attend 3 or more universities, where it's near impossible to get a degree unless you spent enough semesters in residence. Obviously many of them hope for a pro career where you don't need a degree, but like many ex-UA players found out, if you want to get into coaching, you will need one. At least 3 come to mind that came back to the UA to get their degree after their playing days were over, and they were not transfers.

[azcat49]

Things will start to happen when private equity steps in to buy athletic programs and they won’t want to fund a losing money Olympic sports program.

If the players are considered employees and form a national union you can bet they will come to the same conclusion.

This thing is broken

[UAEebs86]

How long before athletes will not even be required to enroll in school??? College football/basketball might as well be classified as Minor Leagues or Semi-Pro

Especially when many of them attend 3 or more universities, where it's near impossible to get a degree unless you spent enough semesters in residence. Obviously many of them hope for a pro career where you don't need a degree, but like many ex-UA players found out, if you want to get into coaching, you will need one. At least 3 come to mind that came back to the UA to get their degree after their playing days were over, and they were not transfers.

[dmjcat]

How long before athletes will not even be required to enroll in school??? College football/basketball might as well be classified as Minor Leagues or Semi-Pro

Especially when many of them attend 3 or more universities, where it's near impossible to get a degree unless you spent enough semesters in residence. Obviously many of them hope for a pro career where you don't need a degree, but like many ex-UA players found out, if you want to get into coaching, you will need one. At least 3 come to mind that came back to the UA to get their degree after their playing days were over, and they were not transfers.

Roughly 1.6% of college football players end up playing professionally.

We need to set up college sports (football/basketball) to cater to the 98.4% who are not going pro.......in other words the folks who need to focus on getting a college degree.

[Merkin]

[dmjcat]

This is only going to make things worse for the UA and the rest of the Non SEC/B1G teams.
We don't have the TV contract money to compete with them.

[Merkin]

This is going to destroy all the non-revenue sports. When the UA AD can't have a balanced budget without $50M from the academic side each year you know there are going to be some cuts.

All Division I athletes dating back to 2016 are eligible to receive a share as part of the settlement class.

[Ghost]

This is going to destroy all the non-revenue sports. When the UA AD can't have a balanced budget without $50M from the academic side each year you know there are going to be some cuts.

All Division I athletes dating back to 2016 are eligible to receive a share as part of the settlement class.

Such a negative view.

[ProfessorFate]

This is going to destroy all the non-revenue sports. When the UA AD can't have a balanced budget without $50M from the academic side each year you know there are going to be some cuts.

All Division I athletes dating back to 2016 are eligible to receive a share as part of the settlement class.

Such a negative view.

Said the king of negativity.

[Ghost]

This is going to destroy all the non-revenue sports. When the UA AD can't have a balanced budget without $50M from the academic side each year you know there are going to be some cuts.

All Division I athletes dating back to 2016 are eligible to receive a share as part of the settlement class.

Such a negative view.

Said the king of negativity.

Hey, at least Merkin shares how he feels. He doesn’t pick up the Pom poms but drops the Pooper Scooper. It’s how he feels. It’s valid.

[84Cat]

$2.75 million/year

[84Cat]

[dmjcat]

In basketball you can change the entire trajectory of your team with one player.

In football it’s probably 3-5 (depending on position).

If the transfer market has taught us anything, kids are constantly looking for the best opportunity to showcase themselves. Sitting the bench at Bama, Clemson, SC, or Notre Dame (or Duke, Kentucky, Kansas in basketball) isn’t for everyone, ESPECIALLY if there is a six figure NIL deal out there that the guy who is the current starter ahead of you is getting and you aren’t.

I don't think the kid sitting on the bench at Oregon is our problem.

Its the 5 Star point guard or center that we competing against them for. If they wind up with the 5 star guard and we wind up with the 3 star Transfer portal guy its not going to end well for the UA.

I was talking football, not basketball, but are you of the opinion that the old rules were somehow holding Nike back from getting kids to go to Oregon that Arizona wanted?

Basketball and football aren't really comparable at Arizona.

In basketball, there's no reason we whould not be competitive for 5 stars with or without NIL. There are NBA alums and boosters for Arizona basketball that will make us nationally competitive in the way we always were. Kansas, Kentucky, etc were in on guys like Aaron Gordon and Deandre Ayton and they still will be.

Football, Arizona is not blessed with the advantages we have in basketball. There, using the portal to score a dissatisfied 4 star is a coup for us.

People overrate the Nike thing too. Duke, Kentucky, etc. all contract with Nike. If Knight starts dropping cash for Oregon to screw other Nike schools, there will be blowback. So far Oregon hasn't overperformed in this area:

"Also, if you remove the six-figure deals for Thibodeaux and Carey you get a better idea of how the average athlete who received an NIL deal actually did. The average deal at Oregon without Thibodeaux’s biggest endorsement would be $723"

Thibodeaux got 100k, but the vast majority of Oregon's NIL deals haven't been near that.

"No reason we would not be competitive with NIL"????? Again, if Phil wants to pony up the $$$ we will certainly NOT be competitive in any universe. To suggest otherwise is lunacy. The UA doesn't have a Bill Gates type alumni

"Blowback"" What the hell are you smoking??? You think there is going to be "blowback" to the guy worth $55 billion who is funding all of the shoe deals??? All of those universities getting $$$ from Phil will be kissing his ass in perpetuity regardless of who he pays off. Money doesnt talk, it SCREAMS.

Ok, then why isn't Knight doing that? NIL is fully available and he hasn't leveraged a single deal for Oregon yet. Is he only 83 so he doesn't want to rush it while he's young?

If he wanted to drop millions, he'd be doing it. He isn't.

Yes, there's going to be blowback. Nike has deals with Texas and Ohio State worth over 250 million each. There's a contract with requirements. Nike signed those deals because they believe those schools will generate enough revenue to pay the deal off.

We're talking billions in revenue that Knight is going to jeopardize because he likes Oregon and despite the fact he could openly have been doing it for a year and hasn't done it at all?

Finally, no one's dropping billions. The wildest unsubstantiated rumor is Texas A&M doing 30 mil in NIL deals for an incoming 28 man class. Keep in mind, that is the unsubstantiated high end estimate of a message board rando. Or about 1 mil per player.

That's not an amount that's impossible for Arizona. It's not just alums, it's any companies included. Dr. Pepper ponied up for DJ Uiagalelei (sp) so it's not like it's only university boosters.

Wonder if Spiff will ever return and comment on how totally wrong he was about the entire NIL/Phil Knight argument.

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