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Rhett Lashlee
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Face it - Fisch is a really good coach; I think that's especially true in both his evaluation and deployment of talent; unfortunately, he's also a self-serving guy building a career, and took the promotion/pay raise that was too good to refuse. (BTW, I think that most here wouldn't mind if a replacement for Brennan came to us in the same way...)Captcarnage wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:50 am Under Fisch, we could see incremental improvements. yes we were still losing, but the future was looking better. You could see it in recruiting, culture, player development. Those things have regressed in my opinion. Even if we were still losing and those same items were getting better under Brennan, then I think we are having a different discussion.
Agree completely. This is emblematic of why I was so irritated when Babers and Adkins were hired. A complete failure. What Brennan needed at Arizona was a young and up and coming OC who had a good rep, experience in a successful system, and who was chomping at the bit to prove himself, recruiting included. Needed something similar for DC as well but I could sort of stomach Akina. And it is also a big part of the reason why it's over and Arizona needs to move on asap. I am pissed at the Big 12 for the scheduling screwup of tonight's game but there are going to be about 19 people in the stands I bet. Brennan either couldn't hire a legit staff because no one wants to work for him or, worse, he doesn't know how to hire a legit staff. Either way ...TheCatInTheHat wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:20 pm That's the extent of my point; that there's currently a vacuum in our offensive coaching expertise that's death in modern college football.
Reminded me of Mike Stoops a bit when he started. Arizona was still losing, but at least they showed some pride out there and eventually they started winning. That was truly a lack of talent but they tried and they played hard.Captcarnage wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:50 am Under Fisch, we could see incremental improvements. yes we were still losing, but the future was looking better.
Someone mentioned Homer Smith earlier. A really good offensive mind, but by the time Tomey hired him he was a little over the hill. Never could get Ortege Jenkins to get back to his original exciting freshmen season form. Just another pedestrian QB at Arizona, and we have had a lot.Winger wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 11:20 am Agree completely. This is emblematic of why I was so irritated when Babers and Adkins were hired. A complete failure. What Brennan needed at Arizona was a young and up and coming OC who had a good rep, experience in a successful system, and who was chomping at the bit to prove himself, recruiting included
I think he can win next week and still be fired. I also think he can lose next week and still be retained.azcat49 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:20 am If CBB is let go it will be traced solely to his decision to hire Babers. I still wonder if he was prompted by a few of the boosters in that choice.
This win will hold off the naysayers for a week but he has to win next week. He is notDRF’s guy and she won’t let him become that.
If he makes it through he has to find that bright, shiny and probably unknown OC in a hurry
All I know is DRF didn't hit up big money boosters for money to get rid of Brennan, just to keep Brennan if he loses to either TCU/ASU. If I were in charge and I was dead set on firing him I don't let him coach that ASU game. No way in hell.Chicat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:09 pmI think he can win next week and still be fired. I also think he can lose next week and still be retained.azcat49 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:20 am If CBB is let go it will be traced solely to his decision to hire Babers. I still wonder if he was prompted by a few of the boosters in that choice.
This win will hold off the naysayers for a week but he has to win next week. He is notDRF’s guy and she won’t let him become that.
If he makes it through he has to find that bright, shiny and probably unknown OC in a hurry
Just my feeling but I think it comes down to the ASU game. If we win, he gets to keep his job.
Whether he keeps it beyond 2025 is very contingent on whether we find a good OC as you said and on what recruiting looks like. If this year’s class sucks and we can’t get anyone to come through the portal, and next year’s offense is shit and the NIL money dries up for the 2026 class of recruits and transfers, he’s going to have to go. There’s no sense in prolonging the misery. Because ain’t shit gonna get better from there. We will just be mired in a vortex of suck.
That is a great point.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:31 pmIf I were in charge and I was dead set on firing him I don't let him coach that ASU game. No way in hell.
I get the point but I don’t know how you potentially fire a coach on a two game winning streakWinger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:38 pmThat is a great point.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:31 pmIf I were in charge and I was dead set on firing him I don't let him coach that ASU game. No way in hell.
Whoops misunderstood. You were saying it’d be tough to fire him after UH and TCU wins. It might be. But its a win vs ASU that you probably can’t take the chance of.PHXCATS wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:40 pmI get the point but I don’t know how you potentially fire a coach on a two game winning streakWinger wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:38 pmThat is a great point.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:31 pmIf I were in charge and I was dead set on firing him I don't let him coach that ASU game. No way in hell.
I agree it may be Akina who coaches the ASU game, especially if TCU torches us in spectacular fashion. If we show some fight though I wonder if DRF tells the boosters to hold on to their wallets for a little while longer and maybe throw it at the kids instead.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:31 pmAll I know is DRF didn't hit up big money boosters for money to get rid of Brennan, just to keep Brennan if he loses to either TCU/ASU. If I were in charge and I was dead set on firing him I don't let him coach that ASU game. No way in hell.Chicat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:09 pmI think he can win next week and still be fired. I also think he can lose next week and still be retained.azcat49 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:20 am If CBB is let go it will be traced solely to his decision to hire Babers. I still wonder if he was prompted by a few of the boosters in that choice.
This win will hold off the naysayers for a week but he has to win next week. He is notDRF’s guy and she won’t let him become that.
If he makes it through he has to find that bright, shiny and probably unknown OC in a hurry
Just my feeling but I think it comes down to the ASU game. If we win, he gets to keep his job.
Whether he keeps it beyond 2025 is very contingent on whether we find a good OC as you said and on what recruiting looks like. If this year’s class sucks and we can’t get anyone to come through the portal, and next year’s offense is shit and the NIL money dries up for the 2026 class of recruits and transfers, he’s going to have to go. There’s no sense in prolonging the misery. Because ain’t shit gonna get better from there. We will just be mired in a vortex of suck.
Everything points to ASU steamrolling us regardless who coaches, but if you want to fire him you just can’t take the risk he pulls off a miracle.
He's committing to TCU today. A Big12 rival. So much for me being clueless. For the record this is a really good kid and if Arizona remotely looked like it was capable of utilizing him or his talent he would've stayed committed, but alas...dmjcat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:08 pmAre you that clueless???ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:06 pm Let’s keep bragging about that recruiting class guys. This is just the beginning by the way.
You do realize he's decommitting to a Power 2 conference school (SEC) with about 10x the NIL$$$$$$$$ we have????
This kid was going to decommit the moment A&M showed him the money.....REGARDLESS of who the UA coach was or will be.
We are living in a different world, College football is now Semi-Pro leagues. If you have the money you can compete for talent. If you don't you wind up with MWC talent.
Agree completely, and I would add that the new College football Pro Sports model is even more transactional than the NFL. In the NFL the bottom team at least gets the 1st pick in the NFL draft. There is no draft in college football, the best players get to choose whomever coughs up the most NIL$$$$. A quick glance at the 2024 recruiting rankings shows that the monied power conference schools finished on top........Oregon with Daddy $NIL$ Phil Knight and his $55 billion finished 3rd nationally in recruiting. The UA, with not so much NIL and reeling from Fisch leaving, finished 84th. Unfortunately, this isn't going to get much better for the UA, regardless of who the coach is. The #1 selling point now for all of the top recruits is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.TheCatInTheHat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:37 pm I think it's important to understand just how much the college sports world has flipped upside down. With NIL and the transfer portal, it's no longer the traditional model of hiring a coach based on what you think he may eventually be able to build up to "someday" and try to sell that promise on credit to fans. This is about paid professional athletes who often jump schools multiple times. It's TV content and TV revenue driven, and if there are few fans attending, they just crop the picture to only show the field. So, the hiring is made by a consortium of the school and donors, and it's about win now or else, because circumstances can change too fast in the current situation to wait. So, it's both adversity and opportunity for all parties. But any worries about media backlash or chaining yourself to old conventions versus quick action isn't playing to win. If Brennan can win three in a row and go bowling, I think he has to get another year. But he just won by changing up both the offense and defense in a bye week against a mediocre Houston team with a somewhat one-dimensional QB. The roadie at TCU is a different story. Lose that to clinch a losing and non-bowl season, and even if he beats ASU, I'll point out that Mackovic did that (on the road) in his first year.
I agree with your assessment (and have been saying it for some time). I am also afraid that this unregulated Wild Wild West of $NIL$ will sooner or later begin to hurt the basketball program (if it hasn't already). Without sufficient NIL to compete with the have-nots (UA) are going to fade away. I would not be shocked if we begin to see less competitive colleges drop football altogether somewhere in the near future (5-10 years).Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 11:08 am I listen to a Show called "Full Ride" on XM sports. This morning Rick Neuheisel was relating how much money players are being paid and threw a figure out of 10 million for a good QB.
If this continues unabated, we're done even hoping to compete. I'm thinking there has to be some kind of profit sharing and attempts to level the field in order for college football to have a future with the kind of popularity it has now.
So so socialist.Carcassdragger wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:15 pm I'm glad players are getting compensated.
Looking at the NFL model, once they started profit sharing with salary caps, parity became a reality and the quality of their product soared. Now, almost any team can win on Sundays.
No, I suspect that the Big 2 conferences will never agree to profit sharing, and I don't think that there is much hope of getting a law through Congress to force it. As a result I am very skeptical of the future of AZ football, and unfortunately, AZ basketball. The UA doesn't command TV ratings that will ever make it attractive to the Big 2, and they don't have an alumni or fanbase that can afford to subsidize the football/basketball programs to the tune of $25 million/year (or in that neighborhood) to make them competitive in the NIL world.CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:37 pm You think the ‘SC, much, tOSU, ND, etc etc are gonna agree to profit sharing?
Pass me some of what your smoking…
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest thing working against U of A's athletic future is the very existence of Arizona State.dmjcat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:54 pmNo, I suspect that the Big 2 conferences will never agree to profit sharing, and I don't think that there is much hope of getting a law through Congress to force it. As a result I am very skeptical of the future of AZ football, and unfortunately, AZ basketball. The UA doesn't command TV ratings that will ever make it attractive to the Big 2, and they don't have an alumni or fanbase that can afford to subsidize the football/basketball programs to the tune of $25 million/year (or in that neighborhood) to make them competitive in the NIL world.CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:37 pm You think the ‘SC, much, tOSU, ND, etc etc are gonna agree to profit sharing?
Pass me some of what your smoking…
Sucks to be us.
Havent been on here in a bit. lololol we shoulda fired this bum a month ago.
We beat Houston big guyAZarchery wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:23 pmHavent been on here in a bit. lololol we shoulda fired this bum a month ago.
Also Machina is 0 for 7 on his prediction and ASU is poised to make the playoff.
Disappointing, but I'm not entirely surprised. That's a lot of money to ask from boosters.Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement
GoodFishclamps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement