pc in NM wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 6:38 am
Under CTL, all prior transfers were players who just weren't getting the PT they wanted (e. g., Borivicin, Murauskas), or key players falling short of expectations (Krissa, Boswell). The exception was Ballo, a key starter - but most understood his opportunity to cash in. Stephen and Martinez are consistent with these.
However, Lewis and Veesaar are different. Both were key contributors to the quality and effectiveness of the team. Both are BIG losses. I can't believe that CTL wanted either to leave...
Henri made huge progress this season, and I expect he will continue too improve in the next two years. I think most of us would agree that Henri's performance this year was better than what most of us hoped/expected from Krivas. I myself, would be happy if Krivas played as well as Henri did this year.
KJ is our best defensive player, and a major contributor. Losing him is also a BIG loss.
I fear this may be the first evidence that Arizona is actually suffering from the NIL/Portal arrangements as they currently exist. Especially as the unregulated nature of NIL contracting continues, I think we could see increasingly big money differences. WTF - Dent is reportedly getting $3mil from UCLA!!!
No one is saying he wanted either to leave, but you have to allocate your resources in a way that leads you build the best team possible and usually schools in the portal are a hell of a lot more desperate to sign your player than you are and have the money to do it.
If you think Arizona is suffering I would urge you to look at every other school in the portal and notice that they are all losing key people, even the vaunted Purdue team that's starting 5 was all high school recruits that had stuck with the program up until a week ago.
This is life for every school out there until things change.
All I'm saying is that these two transfers are different than past transfers under CTL; and I think that difference is significant and is/should be a concern for Arizona. Hope I'm proven to be wrong.
I think the point is it’s different and significant for many teams including Arizona so it’s a concern for everyone.
How teams quickly adjust their rosters EVERY year - and I’m not talking about tweaks - will be the norm instead of the exception.
If they eliminated collectives, we could assume these transfers were a last grasp at money.
They are different than the previous transfers and even Lewis and Veesaar is different I think. Lewis wants to be featured but has to know his chance at the league is minimal compared to Henri. Henri’s agent squeezed AZ and I think we were good on letting him go at the price he wanted.
Unless we rid the game from collectives and pay for play, having starters leverage their schools will become common place.
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Postmaster wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 8:34 am
KJ is the one that really surprises me.
Supposedly it was his choice to come off the bench. So starting shouldn't be a factor.
He has wanted to be a Wildcat his whole life.
He has developed.
The wrist might have caused some of his shooting issues.
Is he worried about playing time from Burries?
Is he worried about playing time from CB, or James?
Is he really getting a huge payday?
Has he ever spent the winter on the east coast?
Fishclamps mentioned that the rumor on the Georgetown choice is he wants to play with Micah Peavy since he's close with the family, playing some of his high school ball under David Peavy.
I saw that, but I wonder why that is a draw now but not two years ago? Seems like that would be a thing only if he isn't happy here.
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Fishclamps wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 11:18 am
But that same concern is hitting nearly every single P4 team across the country, we are not unique in that regard.
So JQ was a coach Cal/Kentucky recruit who didn’t follow Cal to Arkansas and instead went to ASSU? That makes no sense
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Alieberman wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:15 am
Would you willingly go live in Arkansas?
Haha, good point
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azcat49 wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:11 am
So JQ was a coach Cal/Kentucky recruit who didn’t follow Cal to Arkansas and instead went to ASSU? That makes no sense
ASU's as provide top recruits plenty of NIL dollars. This guy was the number one center in the country and went to ASU. The number 1 player in the entire country is going to BYU next year. He is compared to Kevin Garnett. Let that sink in.
Alieberman wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:15 am
Would you willingly go live in Arkansas?
Is Little Rock that different than Tucson for a college star?
Is deep-fried possum that different from carnitas?
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Maybe it's NAU.
Seems like the rest of the schools listed are in similar caliber leagues.
Arizona State might have the most surprisingly anemic history in men's basketball of any program that you might think is better than it is.
-Norlander.
I heard we picked up that point guard from Harvard. Evan Nelson, he is a Tucson kid, and a grad? transfer from Harvard. Began Harvard in 2020. 9 ppg, 3 reb, 3 ast, played 19 to 35 min per game as their point guard.
Nice pickup, 45, 40, 91. See how he translates to the Big 12.
Arizona State might have the most surprisingly anemic history in men's basketball of any program that you might think is better than it is.
-Norlander.
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:49 pm
I heard we picked up that point guard from Harvard. Evan Nelson, he is a Tucson kid, and a grad? transfer from Harvard. Began Harvard in 2020. 9 ppg, 3 reb, 3 ast, played 19 to 35 min per game as their point guard.
Nice pickup, 45, 40, 91. See how he translates to the Big 12.
I'm honestly surprised Bobby wasn't able to find another job like Adia did. Being a lame duck coach is a no win situation.
I'll happily keep laughing at ASU's misfortune though.
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According to On3 Sports, Henri Veesaar, the 7-foot transfer from Arizona, now carries a name, image, and likeness (NIL) valuation of $1.5 million following his commitment to UNC.
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EastCoastCat wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:07 pm
It’s the right play by CB. Get a better feeling on where his NBA stock sits and go from there.
Sucks for us because of the drama associated with the wait but thats how the game is played.
Definitely sucks because I would guess that means our back up plans are out the window.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
