Star Recruiting Rankings v Production at U of A Under Miller

[Machina]

Here is the list of Miller Recruits that have played meaningful minutes for U of A.

How would you say they performed against their rivals rankings?

2009
Kevin Parrom-3 Star
Derrick Williams-3 Star
MoMo Jones-4 Star
Solomon Hill-4 Star
Kyryl Natyazhko-4 Star

2010
Jordin Mayes-3 Star
Jesse Perry-3 Star
Daniel Bejarano-4 Star

2011
Josiah Turner-5 Star
Nick Johnson-5 Star
Angelo Chol-4 Star
Sidiki Johnson-4 Star

2012
Kaleb Tarczewski-5 Star
Grant Jerrett-5 Star
Brandon Ashley-5 Star
Gabe York-4 Star

2013
Aaron Gordon-5 Star
Rondae Jefferson-5 Star
Elliott Pitts-3 Star

2014
Stanley Johnson-5 Star
Craig Victor-4 Star
Parker Johnson-Cartwright-4 Star
Dusan Ristic-4 Star

[Bosy Billups]

Here is the list of Miller Recruits that have played meaningful minutes for U of A.

How would you say they performed against their rivals rankings?

2009
Kevin Parrom-3 Star HIGHER
Derrick Williams-3 Star HIGHER
MoMo Jones-4 Star SAME
Solomon Hill-4 Star HIGHER
Kyryl Natyazhko-4 Star LOWER

2010
Jordin Mayes-3 Star SAME
Jesse Perry-3 Star HIGHER
Daniel Bejarano-4 Star LOWER

2011
Josiah Turner-5 Star LOWER
Nick Johnson-5 Star SAME
Angelo Chol-4 Star LOWER
Sidiki Johnson-4 Star LOWER

2012
Kaleb Tarczewski-5 Star SAME
Grant Jerrett-5 Star SAME
Brandon Ashley-5 Star SAME
Gabe York-4 Star SAME

2013
Aaron Gordon-5 Star SAME
Rondae Jefferson-5 Star SAME
Elliott Pitts-3 Star HIGHER

2014
Stanley Johnson-5 Star HIGHER
Craig Victor-4 Star TBD
Parker Johnson-Cartwright-4 Star HIGHER
Dusan Ristic-4 Star HIGHER

They rank based on pro potential, right? So not today, or even in college, but their pro potential.

[Merkin]

Just based on college results, not pro potential.

Here is the list of Miller Recruits that have played meaningful minutes for U of A.

How would you say they performed against their rivals rankings?

2009
Kevin Parrom-3 Star HIGHER
Derrick Williams-3 Star HIGHER
MoMo Jones-4 Star EVEN
Solomon Hill-4 Star HIGHER
Kyryl Natyazhko-4 Star LOWER

2010
Jordin Mayes-3 Star EVEN
Jesse Perry-3 Star HIGHER
Daniel Bejarano-4 Star LOWER

2011
Josiah Turner-5 Star LOWER
Nick Johnson-5 Star EVEN
Angelo Chol-4 Star LOWER
Sidiki Johnson-4 Star LOWER

2012
Kaleb Tarczewski-5 Star LOWER
Grant Jerrett-5 Star EVEN
Brandon Ashley-5 Star LOWER
Gabe York-4 Star EVEN

2013
Aaron Gordon-5 Star EVEN
Rondae Jefferson-5 Star EVEN
Elliott Pitts-3 Star EVEN

2014
Stanley Johnson-5 Star EVEN
Craig Victor-4 Star LOWER
Parker Johnson-Cartwright-4 Star EVEN
Dusan Ristic-4 Star EVEN

[Katzenfreund]

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[Machina]

2009
Kevin Parrom-3 Star-Slightly Above
Derrick Williams-3 Star-Greatly Above
MoMo Jones-4 Star-Slightly Below
Solomon Hill-4 Star-Greatly Above
Kyryl Natyazhko-4 Star-Greatly Below

2010
Jordin Mayes-3 Star-Right There
Jesse Perry-3 Star-Slightly Above
Daniel Bejarano-4 Star-Ultra Fails

2011
Josiah Turner-5 Star-Ultra Fail
Nick Johnson-5 Star-Right There
Angelo Chol-4 Star-Slightly Below
Sidiki Johnson-4 Star-Ultra Fail

2012
Kaleb Tarczewski-5 Star-Slightly Below
Grant Jerrett-5 Star-Slightly Below
Brandon Ashley-5 Star-Slightly Below
Gabe York-4 Star-Right There

2013
Aaron Gordon-5 Star-Right There
Rondae Jefferson-5 Star-Right There
Elliott Pitts-3 Star-Right There

2014
Stanley Johnson-5 Star-Slightly Below
Craig Victor-4 Star-Greatly Below
Parker Jackson-Cartwright-4 Star-Right There
Dusan Ristic-4 Star-Right There

3 Ultra Fails
2 Greatly Belows
6 Slightly Belows
8 Right Theres
2 Slightly Aboves
2 Greatly Aboves

To be fair though, it is tough to go above when you are a 5 Star

[1stNGrant Frys]

2009
Kevin Parrom-3 Star-Slightly Above
Derrick Williams-3 Star-Greatly Above
MoMo Jones-4 Star-Slightly Below
Solomon Hill-4 Star-Greatly Above
Kyryl Natyazhko-4 Star-Greatly Below

2010
Jordin Mayes-3 Star-Right There
Jesse Perry-3 Star-Slightly Above
Daniel Bejarano-4 Star-Ultra Fails

2011
Josiah Turner-5 Star-Ultra Fail
Nick Johnson-5 Star-Right There
Angelo Chol-4 Star-Slightly Below
Sidiki Johnson-4 Star-Ultra Fail

2012
Kaleb Tarczewski-5 Star-Slightly Below
Grant Jerrett-5 Star-Slightly Below
Brandon Ashley-5 Star-Slightly Below
Gabe York-4 Star-Right There

2013
Aaron Gordon-5 Star-Right There
Rondae Jefferson-5 Star-Right There
Elliott Pitts-3 Star-Right There

2014
Stanley Johnson-5 Star-Slightly Below
Craig Victor-4 Star-Greatly Below
Parker Jackson-Cartwright-4 Star-Right There
Dusan Ristic-4 Star-Right There

3 Ultra Fails
2 Greatly Belows
6 Slightly Belows
8 Right Theres
2 Slightly Aboves
2 Greatly Aboves

To be fair though, it is tough to go above when you are a 5 Star

About the "fails" at least Josiah gave us about 15 or so serviceable games. Played like an average 3 star.

Bejarano could not play Miller style "D" but became a starter/6th man on a tourney team in CSU.

Sidki flat out gave the finger to everyone and I think is the only ultra fail.

[threenumberones]

I stopped reading at 'by Machina'.

[Main Event]

Undercover slam thread

[Chicat]

Undercover slam thread

It's not that undercover. Machina's motivations are known to everyone.

[Airizona]

Not sure how you can consider Stanley Johnson slightly less than a 5* in play so far this season

28.5 mpg, 14.4 ppg, 1.8 apg, 1.6 spg, 2.5 tpg, 48% fg, 70% ft, 40% 3p

He could get better at a few things, but stats don't lie.

If he saves a kid's life next game will that put him into 5* range? Something more?

[Harvey Specter]

Undercover slam thread

It's not that undercover. Machina's motivations are known to everyone.

But the princess of passive-aggressive board posting will never admit it... But rather respond with the "What do you think my motivation is? I just thought it was interesting topic to discuss and was curious as to other people's impressions."

I think she perceives herself to be subtle...self awareness is obviously an issue, too.

I wonder how she would rate the performance of Scroggins, Brewer, and Randall... 3 four star FB recruits...

[Harvey Specter]

Not sure how you can consider Stanley Johnson slightly less than a 5* in play so far this season

28.5 mpg, 14.4 ppg, 1.8 apg, 1.6 spg, 2.5 tpg, 48% fg, 70% ft, 40% 3p

He could get better at a few things, but stats don't lie.

If he saves a kid's life next game will that put him into 5* range? Something more?

That's completely ridiculous. Halfway through his first season he is named one of 25 finalists for the most prestigious individual award in college basketball. As a frame of reference, there are 25 5-star rated recruits in every class.

But he's underperforming. That's rich...

[Machina]

Nothing to hide. The development of some players has been a bit disapointing.

As for Scroggins he would get a slightly below and Brewer and Randall would be incompleteso like KA this year in basketball

But yes Stanley was judged too harshly. For a 5 star he is doing well

[Chicat]

Nothing to hide.

Except the damning evidence that proves Sean Miller one time blamed the fans for a loss.

[WildcatRx]

Not sure how you can consider Stanley Johnson slightly less than a 5* in play so far this season

28.5 mpg, 14.4 ppg, 1.8 apg, 1.6 spg, 2.5 tpg, 48% fg, 70% ft, 40% 3p

He could get better at a few things, but stats don't lie.

If he saves a kid's life next game will that put him into 5* range? Something more?

He blew off Arcadia

[Harvey Specter]

Rhetorical Question: What is a more relevant measure of a coach's effectiveness. The level of achievement his teams accomplish during his tenure, or his teams' level of performance relative to the rankings of the recruits he signs?

If Arizona wins the PAC-12 this year, he will have won 3 conference championships in 6 years. that's a run rate that nor even Lute could boast, and contrary to what some would like to remember, this program was a complete and total dumpster fire when he arrived.

But some would prefer to levy allegations of underperformance during his time here. That is their prerogative, but it's revisionist at best, and more likely an agenda-driven motive that breeds out of some sort of perverse resentment,

[PHXCATS]

Rhetorical Question: What is a more relevant measure of a coach's effectiveness. The level of achievement his teams accomplish during his tenure, or his teams' level of performance relative to the rankings of the recruits he signs?

If Arizona wins the PAC-12 this year, he will have won 3 conference championships in 6 years. that's a run rate that nor even Lute could boast, and contrary to what some would like to remember, this program was a complete and total dumpster fire when he arrived.

But some would prefer to levy allegations of underperformance during his time here. That is their prerogative, but it's revisionist at best, and more likely an agenda-driven motive that breeds out of some sort of perverse resentment,

I know you said it was rhetorical but I think it is a combo of both with accomplishment being more weighted.

[billk78]

A lot of teams have players play above and below their rankings. And I think coaches (not just Miller) should be given more credit for players going above their rankings. You have to remember that these kids are going away to college. There is a lot of adjusting to do. It's not just about basketball. It's about maturing as a human being, succeeding in classes, learning to balance a schedule and priorities. Is it Miller's fault if Josiah Turner ends up being a d-bag and fails out of school? Maybe it's possible to see some signs there, but I think it's hard for a coach to predict the off the court behaviors of these kids who are learning to become men.

Also, Id much rather have a "3 star" Kevin Parrom than a "5 star" Grant Jerrett.

Perhaps the people at Rivals doing these rankings need to re-evaluate their process.