You have observed what sounds like some very serious coaching limitations of Sean Miller. I appreciate having a fan here who knows more about the game than the rest of us, and is able to perceive the marked limitations of the available statistical analyses. What would you advise that we or Arizona Athletics do about this matter?
Arizona Athletics should do absolutely nothing. Miller has 0% reason to be let go as of now. He has been highly "successful" and has done a very good job of making the Wildcats into one of the best defensive teams in the country year in and year out.
The fans of Arizona basketball do have some responsibility however. Please do what you can do limit the blindness that comes with "success". Don't be afraid or too simplistic/ignorant to be critical from time to time of even certain "untouchables". Don't just cheer alley opps and shots that are swatted 15 rows into the stands, cheer quality. Do what you can to understand the game better.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
RockyRaccoon wrote:I mean actually WATCH the games with detail. Not just see a guy make a jump shot or block a shot. Actually observe the game and all of its intricacies. Of course you guys watch the games but that is not what I actually mean when I say "WATCH THE GAMES."
Don't just "watch" the games...WATCH them the way Rocky watches them!
RockyRaccoon wrote:I mean actually WATCH the games with detail. Not just see a guy make a jump shot or block a shot. Actually observe the game and all of its intricacies. Of course you guys watch the games but that is not what I actually mean when I say "WATCH THE GAMES."
Don't just "watch" the games...WATCH them the way Rocky watches them!
The RIGHT way, you simplistic, ignorant morons!
I'm not saying you HAVE TO watch the games properly, I'm just saying it will make you understand the game better.
Just trying to help you fellas out.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
You have observed what sounds like some very serious coaching limitations of Sean Miller. I appreciate having a fan here who knows more about the game than the rest of us, and is able to perceive the marked limitations of the available statistical analyses. What would you advise that we or Arizona Athletics do about this matter?
Arizona Athletics should do absolutely nothing. Miller has 0% reason to be let go as of now. He has been highly "successful" and has done a very good job of making the Wildcats into one of the best defensive teams in the country year in and year out.
The fans of Arizona basketball do have some responsibility however. Please do what you can do limit the blindness that comes with "success". Don't be afraid or too simplistic/ignorant to be critical from time to time of even certain "untouchables". Don't just cheer alley opps and shots that are swatted 15 rows into the stands, cheer quality. Do what you can to understand the game better.
We'll try to do better. But it's just so hard, given our lacking sophistication in the nuances of the game, its history, and how to understand the objective metrics that compare offensive and defensive efficiencies from team to team and year to year. Thank you again for your helpful guidance, which is making all of these issues blatantly clear.
You have observed what sounds like some very serious coaching limitations of Sean Miller. I appreciate having a fan here who knows more about the game than the rest of us, and is able to perceive the marked limitations of the available statistical analyses. What would you advise that we or Arizona Athletics do about this matter?
Arizona Athletics should do absolutely nothing. Miller has 0% reason to be let go as of now. He has been highly "successful" and has done a very good job of making the Wildcats into one of the best defensive teams in the country year in and year out.
The fans of Arizona basketball do have some responsibility however. Please do what you can do limit the blindness that comes with "success". Don't be afraid or too simplistic/ignorant to be critical from time to time of even certain "untouchables". Don't just cheer alley opps and shots that are swatted 15 rows into the stands, cheer quality. Do what you can to understand the game better.
We'll try to do better. But it's just so hard, given our lacking sophistication in the nuances of the game, its history, and how to understand the objective metrics that compare offensive and defensive efficiencies from team to team and year to year. Thank you again for your helpful guidance, which is making all of these issues blatantly clear.
Poor grammar.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
You have observed what sounds like some very serious coaching limitations of Sean Miller. I appreciate having a fan here who knows more about the game than the rest of us, and is able to perceive the marked limitations of the available statistical analyses. What would you advise that we or Arizona Athletics do about this matter?
Arizona Athletics should do absolutely nothing. Miller has 0% reason to be let go as of now. He has been highly "successful" and has done a very good job of making the Wildcats into one of the best defensive teams in the country year in and year out.
The fans of Arizona basketball do have some responsibility however. Please do what you can do limit the blindness that comes with "success". Don't be afraid or too simplistic/ignorant to be critical from time to time of even certain "untouchables". Don't just cheer alley opps and shots that are swatted 15 rows into the stands, cheer quality. Do what you can to understand the game better.
We'll try to do better. But it's just so hard, given our lacking sophistication in the nuances of the game, its history, and how to understand the objective metrics that compare offensive and defensive efficiencies from team to team and year to year. Thank you again for your helpful guidance, which is making all of these issues blatantly clear.
Poor grammar.
Thank you, teacher. Can you please explain what's wrong that grammar so I can learn not to repeat it?
Far be it for someone like me to correct anything uttered by someone of your stature, but "poor grammar" is not a grammatically correct sentence.
Please forgive my impertinence.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
You have observed what sounds like some very serious coaching limitations of Sean Miller. I appreciate having a fan here who knows more about the game than the rest of us, and is able to perceive the marked limitations of the available statistical analyses. What would you advise that we or Arizona Athletics do about this matter?
Arizona Athletics should do absolutely nothing. Miller has 0% reason to be let go as of now. He has been highly "successful" and has done a very good job of making the Wildcats into one of the best defensive teams in the country year in and year out.
The fans of Arizona basketball do have some responsibility however. Please do what you can do limit the blindness that comes with "success". Don't be afraid or too simplistic/ignorant to be critical from time to time of even certain "untouchables". Don't just cheer alley opps and shots that are swatted 15 rows into the stands, cheer quality. Do what you can to understand the game better.
We'll try to do better. But it's just so hard, given our lacking sophistication in the nuances of the game, its history, and how to understand the objective metrics that compare offensive and defensive efficiencies from team to team and year to year. Thank you again for your helpful guidance, which is making all of these issues blatantly clear.
Poor grammar.
Thank you, teacher. Can you please explain what's wrong that grammar so I can learn not to repeat it?
The sentence should have been, "But it's just so hard, given our lack of sophistication in the nuances of the game..."
Honestly I can't exactly explain why it is incorrect but rather I can only state it in the correct way. I was never very good at explaining the technicalities of the English language.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
Far be it for someone like me to correct anything uttered by someone of your stature, but "poor grammar" is not a grammatically correct sentence.
Please forgive my impertinence.
I never suggested it was a sentence.
I would never deign to point out something so obvious to someone of your superior genetic gifts, but you started it with a capitalized letter in the first word and ended it with a period.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
Far be it for someone like me to correct anything uttered by someone of your stature, but "poor grammar" is not a grammatically correct sentence.
Please forgive my impertinence.
I never suggested it was a sentence.
I would never deign to point out something so obvious to someone of your superior genetic gifts, but you started it with a capitalized letter in the first word and ended it with a period.
I'm not sure that is what makes something a sentence. It might suggest it is a sentence but I don't think it guarantees that was the objective of what I said.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
RockyRaccoon wrote:
The sentence should have been, "But it's just so hard, given our lack of sophistication in the nuances of the game..."
Honestly I can't exactly explain why it is incorrect but rather I can only state it in the correct way. I was never very good at explaining the technicalities of the English language.
Well, since you're so confident in your grasp of basketball and the English language in spite of your inability to explain either, I'll help you out. "Lacking" is an adjective. It's a synonym for "inadequate."
RockyRaccoon wrote:
The sentence should have been, "But it's just so hard, given our lack of sophistication in the nuances of the game..."
Honestly I can't exactly explain why it is incorrect but rather I can only state it in the correct way. I was never very good at explaining the technicalities of the English language.
Well, since you're so confident in your grasp of basketball and the English language in spite of your inability to explain either, I'll help you out. "Lacking" is an adjective. It's a synonym for "inadequate."
What are you suggesting?
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
Far be it for someone like me to correct anything uttered by someone of your stature, but "poor grammar" is not a grammatically correct sentence.
Please forgive my impertinence.
I never suggested it was a sentence.
I would never deign to point out something so obvious to someone of your superior genetic gifts, but you started it with a capitalized letter in the first word and ended it with a period.
I'm not sure that is what makes something a sentence. It might suggest it is a sentence but I don't think it guarantees that was the objective of what I said.
Are you your own sovereignty now?
Do you refuse to recognize the rules of the constitution and declare yourself to be your own nation? I must assume you do, Bert/Percy/Olson Court, since you choose to dispute basic grammatical rules as if they don't apply to you.
RockyRaccoon wrote:
The sentence should have been, "But it's just so hard, given our lack of sophistication in the nuances of the game..."
Honestly I can't exactly explain why it is incorrect but rather I can only state it in the correct way. I was never very good at explaining the technicalities of the English language.
Well, since you're so confident in your grasp of basketball and the English language in spite of your inability to explain either, I'll help you out. "Lacking" is an adjective. It's a synonym for "inadequate."
What are you suggesting?
That people who are negative attention whores should shampoo my crotch.
Come now fellow Wildcats, it's clear that Rocky's primary gift to mankind is to enlighten us. Would you quibble over a few dangling participles, misspellings or grammar in the Sermon on the Mount?
Do you refuse to recognize the rules of the constitution and declare yourself to be your own nation? I must assume you do, Bert/Percy/Olson Court, since you choose to dispute basic grammatical rules as if they don't apply to you.
Well technically, sentences usually require a subject and a verb.
The argument you are making is like suggesting saying, "No." is a sentence.
It can be said that is an imperative sentence but is that actually a real sentence?
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
RockyRaccoon wrote:
The sentence should have been, "But it's just so hard, given our lack of sophistication in the nuances of the game..."
Honestly I can't exactly explain why it is incorrect but rather I can only state it in the correct way. I was never very good at explaining the technicalities of the English language.
Well, since you're so confident in your grasp of basketball and the English language in spite of your inability to explain either, I'll help you out. "Lacking" is an adjective. It's a synonym for "inadequate."
What are you suggesting?
That people who are negative attention whores should shampoo my crotch.
Are you suggesting that you would like another man to clean/maintain your genitals?
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
Do you refuse to recognize the rules of the constitution and declare yourself to be your own nation? I must assume you do, Bert/Percy/Olson Court, since you choose to dispute basic grammatical rules as if they don't apply to you.
Well technically, sentences usually require a subject and a verb.
The argument you are making is like suggesting saying, "No." is a sentence.
It can be said that is an imperative sentence but is that actually a real sentence?
Boring.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
waysouthcat wrote:Come now fellow Wildcats, it's clear that Rocky's primary gift to mankind is to enlighten us. Would you quibble over a few dangling participles, misspellings or grammar in the Sermon on the Mount?
Continue to enlighten us brother Rocky!
A request if I may, will you cease in your comparisons between me and a mythical wizard that has played an enormous role in deterring human evolution and in many ways has promoted atavistic tendencies.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
RockyRaccoon wrote:Bennet is a better coach than Miller. The guy took what was one of the worst programs in the country in Washington State and led them to two NCAA Tournaments and a Sweet Sixteen when the Pac-10 actually had talent. These past two years he has dominated one of the toughest conferences in the country. Miller's career record is (270-98) a 74% win percentage and Bennett's is (198-94) a 68%. That being said Miller of course coached five season's in the A-10 and nearly six in a down Pac-12. I'm not knocking Miller who like I continually say is a "very good coach" but Bennett is a great coach.
Marshall is similar to Miller in my opinion in that he is an excellent defensive mind but unlike Miller can actually draw up an offense. Wichita State was a basket away from the National Championship in 2013 before the eventual champ Louisville made some plays late in that game. Don't forget, Wichita beat Ohio State in the Elite Eight, of course that was the same Ohio State team that knocked Arizona out in the Sweet Sixteen.
You're right about calculating age when determining a coach's "ceiling". I guess who I was listing were just coaches I feel are better than Miller in measuring a single season.
That being said, Bennett, Smart, Ollie, Cal, Donovan, and Marshall have higher "ceilings".
Self sucks. Williams sucks.
Arizona's AdjO is 12th right now, but keep being ignorant.
Miller has gone to the second weekend of the tournament more times the past two seasons than Marshall has in his whole 16 year career.
If you really believe Miller coaches a quality offense I literally feel sorry for you as an observer of the game of basketball and really as a human being all together.
Please try harder to understand and appreciate what you are watching. Just because they put up 90 points against UW and WSU doesn't make them a good offensive team.
I have brought you statistical data that Miller's offense this year is not only good, but elite.
What is your intelligent argument against? You literally provide no detail, Ken Pomeroy has more basketball knowledge in his morning dumps than you do overall. I will trust his analysis over yours.
RockyRaccoon wrote:Bennet is a better coach than Miller. The guy took what was one of the worst programs in the country in Washington State and led them to two NCAA Tournaments and a Sweet Sixteen when the Pac-10 actually had talent. These past two years he has dominated one of the toughest conferences in the country. Miller's career record is (270-98) a 74% win percentage and Bennett's is (198-94) a 68%. That being said Miller of course coached five season's in the A-10 and nearly six in a down Pac-12. I'm not knocking Miller who like I continually say is a "very good coach" but Bennett is a great coach.
Marshall is similar to Miller in my opinion in that he is an excellent defensive mind but unlike Miller can actually draw up an offense. Wichita State was a basket away from the National Championship in 2013 before the eventual champ Louisville made some plays late in that game. Don't forget, Wichita beat Ohio State in the Elite Eight, of course that was the same Ohio State team that knocked Arizona out in the Sweet Sixteen.
You're right about calculating age when determining a coach's "ceiling". I guess who I was listing were just coaches I feel are better than Miller in measuring a single season.
That being said, Bennett, Smart, Ollie, Cal, Donovan, and Marshall have higher "ceilings".
Self sucks. Williams sucks.
Arizona's AdjO is 12th right now, but keep being ignorant.
Miller has gone to the second weekend of the tournament more times the past two seasons than Marshall has in his whole 16 year career.
If you really believe Miller coaches a quality offense I literally feel sorry for you as an observer of the game of basketball and really as a human being all together.
Please try harder to understand and appreciate what you are watching. Just because they put up 90 points against UW and WSU doesn't make them a good offensive team.
I have brought you statistical data that Miller's offense this year is not only good, but elite.
What is your intelligent argument against? You literally provide no detail, Ken Pomeroy has more basketball knowledge in his morning dumps than you do overall. I will trust his analysis over yours.
Rocky doesn't respond to arguments that demonstrate he's wrong, but you may get a, "What are you suggesting?"
RockyRaccoon wrote:Bennet is a better coach than Miller. The guy took what was one of the worst programs in the country in Washington State and led them to two NCAA Tournaments and a Sweet Sixteen when the Pac-10 actually had talent. These past two years he has dominated one of the toughest conferences in the country. Miller's career record is (270-98) a 74% win percentage and Bennett's is (198-94) a 68%. That being said Miller of course coached five season's in the A-10 and nearly six in a down Pac-12. I'm not knocking Miller who like I continually say is a "very good coach" but Bennett is a great coach.
Marshall is similar to Miller in my opinion in that he is an excellent defensive mind but unlike Miller can actually draw up an offense. Wichita State was a basket away from the National Championship in 2013 before the eventual champ Louisville made some plays late in that game. Don't forget, Wichita beat Ohio State in the Elite Eight, of course that was the same Ohio State team that knocked Arizona out in the Sweet Sixteen.
You're right about calculating age when determining a coach's "ceiling". I guess who I was listing were just coaches I feel are better than Miller in measuring a single season.
That being said, Bennett, Smart, Ollie, Cal, Donovan, and Marshall have higher "ceilings".
Self sucks. Williams sucks.
Arizona's AdjO is 12th right now, but keep being ignorant.
Miller has gone to the second weekend of the tournament more times the past two seasons than Marshall has in his whole 16 year career.
If you really believe Miller coaches a quality offense I literally feel sorry for you as an observer of the game of basketball and really as a human being all together.
Please try harder to understand and appreciate what you are watching. Just because they put up 90 points against UW and WSU doesn't make them a good offensive team.
I have brought you statistical data that Miller's offense this year is not only good, but elite.
What is your intelligent argument against? You literally provide no detail, Ken Pomeroy has more basketball knowledge in his morning dumps than you do overall. I will trust his analysis over yours.
No one but a guy who named himself after a dipshiit who got himself punched, cuckolded, and then shot in a middling Beatles tune actually WATCHES college basketball so you're gonna have to just Rocky's old infallible hairy eyeball. It sees ALL.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
I have brought you statistical data that Miller's offense this year is not only good, but elite.
What is your intelligent argument against? You literally provide no detail, Ken Pomeroy has more basketball knowledge in his morning dumps than you do overall. I will trust his analysis over yours.
That being said, according to Ken Pom, the Wildcats would have one of the worst strength of schedules among top 25 major teams. Let's say the Kentucky Wildcats played only Div. 3 teams and averaged 200 points a game. Their offense stat would be adjusted because of a weak schedule but they would still have a top 5 offense according to Ken Pom.
And since when did the 12th best adjusted offense make a team "elite" offensively? My detention of elite is usually top 3 to 5. Their defense is top 5 so I would categorize that as elite.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
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"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
What's up fellas? What's going on here? Have I missed anything?
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I think Sean Miller's ceiling is very high. I can't imagine anyone else who understands college basketball would disagree with that sentiment.
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Hmmm, I guess not much is going on in this thread, so back to Cervantes ...
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But in my book, you gotta get to White Castle before the weirdos show up!
Tonight he gets Happy-Go-Jackie on the big white guy like a donkey eating a waffle!
Sweet Sassy Molassey, get out the checkbook and pay Grandma for the rubdown!
Ok, at least I know now you have no clue how advanced stats work. You should read up and hopefully you can positively contribute to these board by next season.
azcat34 wrote:Ok, at least I know now you have no clue how advanced stats work. You should read up and hopefully you can positively contribute to these board by next season.
Explain.
At least explain your definition of elite.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
azcat34 wrote:Ok, at least I know now you have no clue how advanced stats work. You should read up and hopefully you can positively contribute to these board by next season.
Explain.
At least explain your definition of elite.
12th best offense out of 351 isn't elite to you?
Please explain how the offense isn't elite, I would love to hear your wisdom. You've really just said nothing to this point.
Pomeroy is a smart guy no doubt but to suggest his data doesn't have some faults is just crazy. He has Davidson as the sixth best adjusted offense. Davidson is a good team but they don't have a top ten offense especially when it will come down to March. What Ken Pom doesn't seem to calculate is the effect of playing major teams in succession and wearing down. Yes Davidson had some success offensively against North Carolina and Virginia but does that mean they would be so effective week in and week out in a major conference? No I don't so.
It goes back to my point about Kentucky playing Division 3 teams and averaging 200 points a game. That was hyperbole but instead lets say they played Davidson's schedule and instead averaging 81.3 points a game like Davidson does, they average 90 points a game. That would probably put them near the top in Ken Pom's adjusted offense rating and that is crazy if you consider that Kentucky is nowhere near the best offense in the country this season.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
RockyRaccoon wrote:Pomeroy is a smart guy no doubt but to suggest his data doesn't have some faults is just crazy. He has Davidson as the sixth best adjusted offense. Davidson is a good team but they don't have a top ten offense especially when it will come down to March. What Ken Pom doesn't seem to calculate is the effect of playing major teams in succession and wearing down. Yes Davidson had some success offensively against North Carolina and Virginia but does that mean they would be so effective week in and week out in a major conference? No I don't so.
It goes back to my point about Kentucky playing Division 3 teams and averaging 200 points a game. That was hyperbole but instead lets say they played Davidson's schedule and instead averaging 81.3 points a game like Davidson does, they average 90 points a game. That would probably put them near the top in Ken Pom's adjusted offense rating and that is crazy if you consider that Kentucky is nowhere near the best offense in the country this season.
Why couldn't Davidson have the 6th best adjusted offense in the country? You can clearly see they have the 231st best defense, so they aren't without faults.
If your best retort against his data is that a smaller school has a top 10 adjusted offense then you really need to educate yourself with advanced analytics before you start having your strong opinions. Just because it goes against your ingrained sensibilities, doesn't mean he's wrong.
azcat34 wrote:Ok, at least I know now you have no clue how advanced stats work. You should read up and hopefully you can positively contribute to these board by next season.
Explain.
At least explain your definition of elite.
12th best offense out of 351 isn't elite to you?
Please explain how the offense isn't elite, I would love to hear your wisdom. You've really just said nothing to this point.
No it really isn't.
If we use your definition of elite that would imply Northern Iowa is an elite team because they are #11 in the AP Top 25 out of 351 teams.
Is Northern Iowa a very good team this year? No doubt. Are they elite. Nope.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
azcat34 wrote:Ok, at least I know now you have no clue how advanced stats work. You should read up and hopefully you can positively contribute to these board by next season.
Explain.
At least explain your definition of elite.
12th best offense out of 351 isn't elite to you?
Please explain how the offense isn't elite, I would love to hear your wisdom. You've really just said nothing to this point.
No it really isn't.
If we use your definition of elite that would imply Northern Iowa is an elite team because they are #11 in the AP Top 25 out of 351 teams.
Is Northern Iowa a very good team this year? No doubt. Are they elite. Nope.
I could give a shit about the AP poll, most of those guys are lazy morons.
Anyone in the KenPom Top 12 could get hot and win the title in March, for the love of god explain why Arizona's offense isn't good this year. Debating with you is likely debating with my wife, constant subject changing.
Reydituto wrote:What's up fellas? What's going on here? Have I missed anything?
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I think Sean Miller's ceiling is very high. I can't imagine anyone else who understands college basketball would disagree with that sentiment.
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Hmmm, I guess not much is going on in this thread, so back to Cervantes ...
You mean Miguel de Cervantes? What are you reading now?
El cerco de Numancia. MdC's influence can still be seen in the modern fantasy of Iñárritu, Cuaron and Willy del Toro.
I would read Don Quixote de la Mancha for the 4th time, but this thread exists, so there's no need to.
Next week I'm on to the Novelas Ejemplares.
But in my book, you gotta get to White Castle before the weirdos show up!
Tonight he gets Happy-Go-Jackie on the big white guy like a donkey eating a waffle!
Sweet Sassy Molassey, get out the checkbook and pay Grandma for the rubdown!
Have you watched Davidson this year? Their offense is great.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
RockyRaccoon wrote:Pomeroy is a smart guy no doubt but to suggest his data doesn't have some faults is just crazy. He has Davidson as the sixth best adjusted offense. Davidson is a good team but they don't have a top ten offense especially when it will come down to March. What Ken Pom doesn't seem to calculate is the effect of playing major teams in succession and wearing down. Yes Davidson had some success offensively against North Carolina and Virginia but does that mean they would be so effective week in and week out in a major conference? No I don't so.
It goes back to my point about Kentucky playing Division 3 teams and averaging 200 points a game. That was hyperbole but instead lets say they played Davidson's schedule and instead averaging 81.3 points a game like Davidson does, they average 90 points a game. That would probably put them near the top in Ken Pom's adjusted offense rating and that is crazy if you consider that Kentucky is nowhere near the best offense in the country this season.
Why couldn't Davidson have the 6th best adjusted offense in the country? You can clearly see they have the 231st best defense, so they aren't without faults.
If your best retort against his data is that a smaller school has a top 10 adjusted offense then you really need to educate yourself with advanced analytics before you start having your strong opinions. Just because it goes against your ingrained sensibilities, doesn't mean he's wrong.
I'm not saying he is wrong but that doesn't mean his data is a 100% perfect analysis of what happens on the court.
Let me ask you this, would you choose Davidson's offense over Arizonas? Clearly they are better.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
"I'm better at life than you." -RockyRaccoon/Richard Sherman
"Those that don't understand the importance of great coaching, don't understand the game." -RR
RockyRaccoon wrote:Pomeroy is a smart guy no doubt but to suggest his data doesn't have some faults is just crazy. He has Davidson as the sixth best adjusted offense. Davidson is a good team but they don't have a top ten offense especially when it will come down to March. What Ken Pom doesn't seem to calculate is the effect of playing major teams in succession and wearing down. Yes Davidson had some success offensively against North Carolina and Virginia but does that mean they would be so effective week in and week out in a major conference? No I don't so.
It goes back to my point about Kentucky playing Division 3 teams and averaging 200 points a game. That was hyperbole but instead lets say they played Davidson's schedule and instead averaging 81.3 points a game like Davidson does, they average 90 points a game. That would probably put them near the top in Ken Pom's adjusted offense rating and that is crazy if you consider that Kentucky is nowhere near the best offense in the country this season.
Why couldn't Davidson have the 6th best adjusted offense in the country? You can clearly see they have the 231st best defense, so they aren't without faults.
If your best retort against his data is that a smaller school has a top 10 adjusted offense then you really need to educate yourself with advanced analytics before you start having your strong opinions. Just because it goes against your ingrained sensibilities, doesn't mean he's wrong.
I'm not saying he is wrong but that doesn't mean his data is a 100% perfect analysis of what happens on the court.
Let me ask you this, would you choose Davidson's offense over Arizonas? Clearly they are better.
WHY IS ARIZONA BETTER AT OFFENSE?
You literally don't provide supporting data to anything.
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azcat34 wrote:Ok, at least I know now you have no clue how advanced stats work. You should read up and hopefully you can positively contribute to these board by next season.
Explain.
At least explain your definition of elite.
12th best offense out of 351 isn't elite to you?
Please explain how the offense isn't elite, I would love to hear your wisdom. You've really just said nothing to this point.
No it really isn't.
If we use your definition of elite that would imply Northern Iowa is an elite team because they are #11 in the AP Top 25 out of 351 teams.
Is Northern Iowa a very good team this year? No doubt. Are they elite. Nope.
I could give a shit about the AP poll, most of those guys are lazy morons.
Anyone in the KenPom Top 12 could get hot and win the title in March, for the love of god explain why Arizona's offense isn't good this year. Debating with you is likely debating with my wife, constant subject changing.
When did I say they weren't good? You are the one who said they were elite. There is a huge difference between being good and being elite.
I...drink...your...MILKSHAKE!
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[quote}12th best offense out of 351 isn't elite to you?
Please explain how the offense isn't elite, I would love to hear your wisdom. You've really just said nothing to this point.[/quote]
No it really isn't.
If we use your definition of elite that would imply Northern Iowa is an elite team because they are #11 in the AP Top 25 out of 351 teams.
Is Northern Iowa a very good team this year? No doubt. Are they elite. Nope.[/quote]
I could give a shit about the AP poll, most of those guys are lazy morons.
Anyone in the KenPom Top 12 could get hot and win the title in March, for the love of god explain why Arizona's offense isn't good this year. Debating with you is likely debating with my wife, constant subject changing.[/quote]
When did I say they weren't good? You are the one who said they were elite. There is a huge difference between being good and being elite.[/quote]
So when you said this, you were saying Miller's offense was good?
If you really believe Miller coaches a quality offense I literally feel sorry for you as an observer of the game of basketball and really as a human being all together.
Please try harder to understand and appreciate what you are watching. Just because they put up 90 points against UW and WSU doesn't make them a good offensive team.
