Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:20 pm
Unless asu is getting a 1/5th share they are not going to be invited to the Big Ten anytime soon
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I have yet to see where they have a say.AZCatGirl wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:12 pm Moving without ASU would be the dream scenario, but I can't see ABOR allowing it.
Yeah...listing P12N as an equivalent channel to ESPN under "cable" is completely misleading, especially since it's so often unavailable outside the conference footprint and often requires paying a premium over basic cable. Since the individual conference contracts are pretty specific to a relatively small group of channels or streaming outlets, it shouldn't be that hard to have a breakdown showing some listing, like "number of nation-wide viewers who can currently access" for each distribution method. And I'll note that, free or not, broadcast TV isn't necessarily the ultimate; considering what's available, some people just stream and don't bother with digital antennas. You're not going to get hyper-accurate data anywhere, but you can get a better idea than outdated assumptions that one type of delivery system is always better than another type.84Cat wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:07 pm I would love to see the numbers if you break out the PAC12 Network as it's own category
Why? SEC and ACC networks are on the sports package here in Phoenix not the generic first bundle you getTheCatInTheHat wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:27 amYeah...listing P12N as an equivalent channel to ESPN under "cable" is completely misleading, especially since it's so often unavailable outside the conference footprint and often requires paying a premium over basic cable. Since the individual conference contracts are pretty specific to a relatively small group of channels or streaming outlets, it shouldn't be that hard to have a breakdown showing some listing, like "number of nation-wide viewers who can currently access" for each distribution method. And I'll note that, free or not, broadcast TV isn't necessarily the ultimate; considering what's available, some people just stream and don't bother with digital antennas. You're not going to get hyper-accurate data anywhere, but you can get a better idea than outdated assumptions that one type of delivery system is always better than another type.84Cat wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:07 pm I would love to see the numbers if you break out the PAC12 Network as it's own category
Gonzaga and uconn to the big 12 would be great basketball conference.
Only will happen if the Big Ten gets way way way bigger without anyone coming in from the ACC and SECIndianaZonaFan wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:35 am ACC and Pac-12 should dissolve. Divide any wanted schools to B1G, Big12, and SEC, and let the rest form their own conference(s) (or join smaller ones)
SEC: Miami, FSU, Ga Tech, Clemson, (maybe the VA schools?)
B1G: UW, Oregon, UNC, NC State, Duke, Cal, Stanford
Big12: Colorado, Arizona, ASU, UConn, Gonzaga, SDSU
Just a thought.
PAC-12 Commish going to give up his salary? OSU and WSU rather go to the WAC than try to pull WAC teams into the PAC-12? I would be surprised if it ever fully disbanded, maybe rebrand, but not disbanded.Merkin wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:20 pm If CU and UA leaves, along with UDub and Oregon, why does Scheer even think there will be a PAC? Only teams better off in a reformatted PAC would be OSU and WSU, and at least WSU is already preparing for losing PAC money.
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I did. Thank you. Went to the ESPN app to see what channel we were playing on, clicked the link for the stream, and watched us get our asses kicked. Easy as pie.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:15 am If true, how you enjoyed watching the Cats play on ESPN+ last night. Lots of that in the BIG12's future. And for all sports.
30% of their deal will be ESPN+. Stark difference from the at least 80% the Pac12 has working with Apple.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:15 am If true, how you enjoyed watching the Cats play on ESPN+ last night. Lots of that in the BIG12's future. And for all sports.
No, he is the opposite of reliable.azcat49 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:16 am Sounds like we have hope but no reason to get excited like a kid at Christmas until the PAC announces what its TV deal is.
Just want some finality on this thing. Is this Swaim guy reliable?
ESPN+ is still better for the Pac12 than Apple, because actual sports fans and bars subscribe to the service. No sports fans (outside of MLS fans) subscribe to Apple. Most of their subscriptions are T-Mobile customers who get a complementary 1 year subscription of the service.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:18 am ESPN+ currently requires a separate subscription for sports bars and restaurants. And ESPN+ will be showing MLB games early in the football season, and NHL games later. Not to mention SEC and ACC games will on + as well. Our games will rarely get shown on linear TV, and be buried on +.
We don't know what the PAC will be. And if it's Apple and worth a lot more, I'd take that over being buried on +.
If you have an argument to make, make it. Stop belittling yourself with the childish insults towards me and my family. Only makes you seem little and childish.ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:22 amESPN+ is still better for the Pac12 than Apple, because actual sports fans and bars subscribe to the service. No sports fans (outside of MLS fans) subscribe to Apple. Most of their subscriptions are T-Mobile customers who get a complementary 1 year subscription of the service.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:18 am ESPN+ currently requires a separate subscription for sports bars and restaurants. And ESPN+ will be showing MLB games early in the football season, and NHL games later. Not to mention SEC and ACC games will on + as well. Our games will rarely get shown on linear TV, and be buried on +.
We don't know what the PAC will be. And if it's Apple and worth a lot more, I'd take that over being buried on +.
We know ESPN isn't involved with the PAC anymore and neither is FOX or CBS or NBC or Amazon. Credible reporting has literally ruled them all out.
If you take more money from Apple to be on a streaming service little to zero sports fans subscribe to, then you are mentally handicapped and your caretaker should remove the keyboard from your reach for the world's sake. Also Apple isn't going to pay more than they have to to land the Pac-12, which means it'll be probably $20-25 million for every thing at best, which is considerably less per year than Big 12 with 70% FOX/ESPN and 30% ESPN+.
I can't fathom how you have a brain that comes to the conclusions you do. Normal human beings typically have the capability for rational thoughts. I'm surprised your brain even remembers to breathe at this point.
I made my argument, numerous times. You have never countered it with anything resembling a rational thought, you merely move the goal posts and expect everybody else to shift with you. We're all better off with you not even commenting on the topic from this point on. I don't feel like I need to treat you as an equal. You're nothing more than a troll. Your AZ vs KSU example is just another moving of the goalposts bullshit. That matchup as of today is not a Tier 3 game. Both teams would be ranked. ESPN or FOX would carry that game 100 times out of 100. For the record though more people would watch the theoretical AZ/KSU matchup on ESPN+ than they would AZ/Oregon matchup on AppleTV and it wouldn't even be close.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:41 amIf you have an argument to make, make it. Stop belittling yourself with the childish insults towards me and my family. Only makes you seem little and childish.ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:22 amESPN+ is still better for the Pac12 than Apple, because actual sports fans and bars subscribe to the service. No sports fans (outside of MLS fans) subscribe to Apple. Most of their subscriptions are T-Mobile customers who get a complementary 1 year subscription of the service.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:18 am ESPN+ currently requires a separate subscription for sports bars and restaurants. And ESPN+ will be showing MLB games early in the football season, and NHL games later. Not to mention SEC and ACC games will on + as well. Our games will rarely get shown on linear TV, and be buried on +.
We don't know what the PAC will be. And if it's Apple and worth a lot more, I'd take that over being buried on +.
We know ESPN isn't involved with the PAC anymore and neither is FOX or CBS or NBC or Amazon. Credible reporting has literally ruled them all out.
If you take more money from Apple to be on a streaming service little to zero sports fans subscribe to, then you are mentally handicapped and your caretaker should remove the keyboard from your reach for the world's sake. Also Apple isn't going to pay more than they have to to land the Pac-12, which means it'll be probably $20-25 million for every thing at best, which is considerably less per year than Big 12 with 70% FOX/ESPN and 30% ESPN+.
I can't fathom how you have a brain that comes to the conclusions you do. Normal human beings typically have the capability for rational thoughts. I'm surprised your brain even remembers to breathe at this point.
ESPN might be known for sports, but who is going to watch Arizona at K State on ESPN+ besides both sets of Wildcats? Nobody. It's no different than appearing on Apple. And with Apple, maybe we can make more money?
Arizona at Miss St. will air on SEC Network. Really think Arizona at KState would absolutely be carried by ESPN linear? SECN is Tier 3, and if a T3 game is from the BIG12, it will be on plus.ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:54 amI made my argument, numerous times. You have never countered it with anything resembling a rational thought, you merely move the goal posts and expect everybody else to shift with you. We're all better off with you not even commenting on the topic from this point on. I don't feel like I need to treat you as an equal. You're nothing more than a troll. Your AZ vs KSU example is just another moving of the goalposts bullshit. That matchup as of today is not a Tier 3 game. Both teams would be ranked. ESPN or FOX would carry that game 100 times out of 100. For the record though more people would watch the theoretical AZ/KSU matchup on ESPN+ than they would AZ/Oregon matchup on AppleTV and it wouldn't even be close.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:41 amIf you have an argument to make, make it. Stop belittling yourself with the childish insults towards me and my family. Only makes you seem little and childish.ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:22 amESPN+ is still better for the Pac12 than Apple, because actual sports fans and bars subscribe to the service. No sports fans (outside of MLS fans) subscribe to Apple. Most of their subscriptions are T-Mobile customers who get a complementary 1 year subscription of the service.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:18 am ESPN+ currently requires a separate subscription for sports bars and restaurants. And ESPN+ will be showing MLB games early in the football season, and NHL games later. Not to mention SEC and ACC games will on + as well. Our games will rarely get shown on linear TV, and be buried on +.
We don't know what the PAC will be. And if it's Apple and worth a lot more, I'd take that over being buried on +.
We know ESPN isn't involved with the PAC anymore and neither is FOX or CBS or NBC or Amazon. Credible reporting has literally ruled them all out.
If you take more money from Apple to be on a streaming service little to zero sports fans subscribe to, then you are mentally handicapped and your caretaker should remove the keyboard from your reach for the world's sake. Also Apple isn't going to pay more than they have to to land the Pac-12, which means it'll be probably $20-25 million for every thing at best, which is considerably less per year than Big 12 with 70% FOX/ESPN and 30% ESPN+.
I can't fathom how you have a brain that comes to the conclusions you do. Normal human beings typically have the capability for rational thoughts. I'm surprised your brain even remembers to breathe at this point.
ESPN might be known for sports, but who is going to watch Arizona at K State on ESPN+ besides both sets of Wildcats? Nobody. It's no different than appearing on Apple. And with Apple, maybe we can make more money?
ESPN+ has 25 million subscribers. AppleTV also has 25 million subscribers. Every ESPN+ subscriber is a sports fan. I'm not even sure 1/8 of AppleTV subscribers are sports fans.
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Paramount+ lost $500M last year even though it was the only medium you could watch the biggest movie in the world (Top Gun) after it left theaters.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:15 am On a streaming service like Apple, they will work hard to make their investment work.
MLS signed an exclusive deal with Apple. I own numerous Apple products. Do you know how often I get notified of any MLS game or hell even MLB game that Apple is airing on any of my Apple products? Not. Fucking. Once. So much for working hard to make their investment work. ESPN cross promotes all of its games, so does FOX. Apple hasn't promoted any sporting event they're airing once to me and I have one of their products in my pocket every single day of my life.CardiacCats97 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:33 amParamount+ lost $500M last year even though it was the only medium you could watch the biggest movie in the world (Top Gun) after it left theaters.AzCatFan2 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:15 am On a streaming service like Apple, they will work hard to make their investment work.
You’re acting like these companies are rational actors. They aren’t. Often the bad ideas of executives with golden parachutes who try to be innovative for the sake of their resumes end up killing them.
Just because Apple execs may want to get into streaming sports doesn’t mean it’s a good idea for them or for us. Stop thinking that these guys with bloated titles and salaries are smarter than everyone else. Oftentimes they just have a loud voice and no one tells them to shut the fuck up. And when they have moved on to their next cushy job they leave destruction in their wake. You’re lining us up to be that destruction with the idea that if Apple signs on the PAC they will support the schools and product come hell or high water. There is ample evidence that won’t be the case.
Apple isn't going to pay 30m per team for the Pac-12. That's not even remotely on the table.azcat49 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:12 pm So Apple Pay’s 30m per team for say 5 years and hopes at worst the PAC fans subscribe. Banking on the fans of this conference is a fools errand. Who would you bet on, PAC fans or Big12 fans subscribing more to a streamed channel? I don’t think it would be close.
Still this argument of streaming is not the issue to me. It’s stability and survivability that seems most important
I already pay to stream Netflix, Prime, and for commercial free versions of Peacock and Paramount+.azcat49 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:12 pm So Apple Pay’s 30m per team for say 5 years and hopes at worst the PAC fans subscribe. Banking on the fans of this conference is a fools errand. Who would you bet on, PAC fans or Big12 fans subscribing more to a streamed channel? I don’t think it would be close.
Still this argument of streaming is not the issue to me. It’s stability and survivability that seems most important
And earlier games when we play on the road. God forbid.PHXCATS wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:08 pm Moving to the Big 12 will result in more 7pm and 8pm home kickoffs
I am not arguing anything. I said what would happen.ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:12 pmAnd earlier games when we play on the road. God forbid.PHXCATS wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:08 pm Moving to the Big 12 will result in more 7pm and 8pm home kickoffs
It’s too hot to play earlier in Tucson in the months of September and October. You’re arguing garbage.