Bear Down Wildcats

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:41 am**

Merkin wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:53 pm Conference culture? 3 yards and a cloud of dust?

Bet very few get that reference, good old Bo and Woody.

I prefer "Up the Middle, Dick".

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:42 am**

Just now saw the news. JFC. Please tell me when it's over my heart won't be able to withstand following this shitstorm..

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:04 am**

UNLV used to be Tier 4. Glad they cleaned up.

SDSU does not offer doctoral programs. They are part of the CSU system which normally terminates at masters program. Research programs leading to doctoral degrees are the mandate of the UC system.

Academic snobbery, and anyone who has worked in an academic environment can attest to that.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:11 am**

I have long talked about the inherent disadvantages for the conference being so far west with recruiting and TV start times. I may have even been underestimating how bad those disadvantages are.

The PAC-12 has been trying for months to get Big 12 schools to join the PAC. With how much turmoil is going on the Big 12 that speaks volumes

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 am**

What’s the deal with UCLA and USC saying the beach volleyball teams will stay in the PAC. If the PAC stays together, there is no way we allow them to stay after being so secretive about this move. When your out, your out.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:23 am**

MountainCat wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 am What’s the deal with UCLA and USC saying the beach volleyball teams will stay in the PAC. If the PAC stays together, there is no way we allow them to stay after being so secretive about this move. When your out, your out.

Yup. Go have them play Rutgers near a dirty New Jersey boardwalk. Not our problem anymore.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:38 am**

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:59 am**

We would be at such a huge scheduling disadvantage if true

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:03 am**

ASUHATER! wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:59 am We would be at such a huge scheduling disadvantage if true

Why? Any long trips would be offset by home games

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:26 am**

Because we would have to fly out there 6-8 times and they fly west 1-2 times

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:27 am**

KillerKlown wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:23 am
MountainCat wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 am What’s the deal with UCLA and USC saying the beach volleyball teams will stay in the PAC. If the PAC stays together, there is no way we allow them to stay after being so secretive about this move. When your out, your out.
Yup. Go have them play Rutgers near a dirty New Jersey boardwalk. Not our problem anymore.

Big-10 doesn’t have beach volleyball.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:29 am**

This realignment business really makes the pod system for basketball tournament seem silly

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:30 am**

Postmaster wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:26 am Because we would have to fly out there 6-8 times and they fly west 1-2 times

For football it would be 2 times probably a year. Very doable

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:32 am**

OSUCat wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:27 am
KillerKlown wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:23 am
MountainCat wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 am What’s the deal with UCLA and USC saying the beach volleyball teams will stay in the PAC. If the PAC stays together, there is no way we allow them to stay after being so secretive about this move. When your out, your out.
Yup. Go have them play Rutgers near a dirty New Jersey boardwalk. Not our problem anymore.
Big-10 doesn’t have beach volleyball.

….and if you choose to leave the conference, you get to drop the sport programs your new conference doesn’t have. Maybe they should have negotiated that before the surprise announcement.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:33 am**

OSUCat wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:27 am
KillerKlown wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:23 am
MountainCat wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 am What’s the deal with UCLA and USC saying the beach volleyball teams will stay in the PAC. If the PAC stays together, there is no way we allow them to stay after being so secretive about this move. When your out, your out.
Yup. Go have them play Rutgers near a dirty New Jersey boardwalk. Not our problem anymore.
Big-10 doesn’t have beach volleyball.

That doesn’t seem like a concern for PAC.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:33 am**

MountainCat wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 am What’s the deal with UCLA and USC saying the beach volleyball teams will stay in the PAC. If the PAC stays together, there is no way we allow them to stay after being so secretive about this move. When your out, your out.

They're going independent

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:35 am**

PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:30 am
Postmaster wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:26 am Because we would have to fly out there 6-8 times and they fly west 1-2 times
For football it would be 2 times probably a year. Very doable

Why would we only have 2 road games?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:42 am**

I think SEC might make the move out west. They won’t just give those to markets to the Big-10 and Big-12. I expect Oregon probably has reached out to both. Based on Robbins views on football, I expect a push to get into the SEC.

Oregon and Washington will be tied together.
Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado will be tied together.
Stanford and cal might be tied together. I expect SEC or Big-12 want to include California markets to their tv deals.
WSU and OSU are joining the mountain west.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:45 am**

Postmaster wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:35 am
PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:30 am
Postmaster wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:26 am Because we would have to fly out there 6-8 times and they fly west 1-2 times
For football it would be 2 times probably a year. Very doable
Why would we only have 2 road games?

I doubt UA would be the only ACC school west of Florida State if that happened

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:47 am**

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:49 am**

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:09 am**

Looks like we're leaving before we get left out

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:19 am**

CopaCat wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:34 am
Alieberman wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:26 am This is horrible for student athletes
Are they actually even students anymore with NIL(at least in the the big revenue sports)? The whole NCAA just needs to become a semi professional league with school work/degrees optional. Maybe just eliminate the Conference affliations all together and just have a pool of high revenue producing schools separated by region. That is where the all mighty dollar has taken us. Travesty in every way and basically the destruction of true college athletics.

And to that point who cares what academic standing any new prospective school has if it's all about revenue generation now?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:25 am**

I tried to tell you how important tv ratings and attendance were for years......

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:38 am**

Two ideas:

1. Merge the remnants of the big east, pac-12, mountain west and big ten. Merge the acc, Big 12 and SEC. Prep for the inevitable civil war.

2. Blow the whole thing up and move to an English soccer style league. Top XXX teams play in Div 1 for their sport. Less winning programs relegated to D2. Let fox and ESPN battle it out for which tier they get.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:38 am**

PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:25 am I tried to tell you how important tv ratings and attendance were for years......

Did anyone dispute that it wasn't? I think it was more of I'm not spending my money and time on a worthless product like Arizona football. I personally wasted a lot of time watching Arizona football late at night on the east coast and now in the central time zone and that will likely continue. However, I can't blame anyone for giving up.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:39 am**

RondaeShimmy wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:09 am
Looks like we're leaving before we get left out

At this point it's probably the smart move, as painful as the idea is of leaving the west coast and our rivals and traditions. If we want to survive we now have to pull the eject handle on this dying conference ASAP. I hate it but it's the only logical move.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:47 am**

What would you rather be in? Big 12 or a new PAC with the 8 current members (Oregon and Washington gone) and 6 MWC teams added? Say Fresno St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Boise St, UNLV and Nevada

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:48 am**

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:49 am**

I would rather have a new pac but that would probably lead to mid tier status which would lead to worse out comes over time. I know we want to think that we are better than that

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:02 pm**

I want BIG10 (I know, no chance), then ACC or PAC-BIG12 merger (cut the fat from both before merging), PAC10 (low because this feels too unstable), PAC (without Oregon and Washington) with the Mountain West is just terrible IMO.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:03 pm**

Arizona
ASU
Colorado
Utah
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Cal
Kansas
Baylor
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State

Wyoming?
Nevada?
UNLV?
Gonzaga (no football)?
New Mexico?
New Mexico State?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:07 pm**

IndianaZonaFan wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:03 pm Arizona
ASU
Colorado
Utah
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Cal
Kansas
Baylor
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State

Wyoming?
Nevada?
UNLV?
Gonzaga (no football)?
New Mexico?
New Mexico State?

The PAC could not pull those Big 12 schools before UCLA USC Oregon and Washington left. How can they get them now?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:10 pm**

PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:07 pm
IndianaZonaFan wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:03 pm Arizona
ASU
Colorado
Utah
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Cal
Kansas
Baylor
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State

Wyoming?
Nevada?
UNLV?
Gonzaga (no football)?
New Mexico?
New Mexico State?
The PAC could not pull those Big 12 schools before UCLA USC Oregon and Washington left. How can they get them now?

I thought the PAC12 said no when the BIG12 was scrambling after Texas and OU left. However, this was when USC/UCLA were still "committed" to the PAC.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:14 pm**

PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:47 am What would you rather be in? Big 12 or a new PAC with the 8 current members (Oregon and Washington gone) and 6 MWC teams added? Say Fresno St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Boise St, UNLV and Nevada

Not sure if you are serious in thinking this alignment would garner much interest from TV?

We would be further down the revenue ladder then we already are. If the Big 10 gets Notre Dame then every school can bank 150m a year with the LA schools along with ND.

We have to go balls out for the Big 10. The Big 12 is a lateral move at best and might keep us competitive for awhile but this landscape clearly shows the future will be about 60 schools and most will be in two or three conferences. That alignment you proposed would not be included in that top 60 IMO

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:22 pm**

DrWildcat wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:10 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:07 pm
IndianaZonaFan wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:03 pm Arizona
ASU
Colorado
Utah
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Cal
Kansas
Baylor
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State

Wyoming?
Nevada?
UNLV?
Gonzaga (no football)?
New Mexico?
New Mexico State?
The PAC could not pull those Big 12 schools before UCLA USC Oregon and Washington left. How can they get them now?
I thought the PAC12 said no when the BIG12 was scrambling after Texas and OU left. However, this was when USC/UCLA were still "committed" to the PAC.

I saw from a trusted source that the PAC-12 has been trying for months to add Big 12 schools.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:23 pm**

azcat49 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:14 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:47 am What would you rather be in? Big 12 or a new PAC with the 8 current members (Oregon and Washington gone) and 6 MWC teams added? Say Fresno St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Boise St, UNLV and Nevada

Not sure if you are serious in thinking this alignment would garner much interest from TV?

We would be further down the revenue ladder then we already are. If the Big 10 gets Notre Dame then every school can bank 150m a year with the LA schools along with ND.

We have to go balls out for the Big 10. The Big 12 is a lateral move at best and might keep us competitive for awhile but this landscape clearly shows the future will be about 60 schools and most will be in two or three conferences. That alignment you proposed would not be included in that top 60 IMO

I think Big 12 would be better, I am just asking the question.

Yes revenue would be far less in the new PAC than Big 12

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:28 pm**

Well then for me it’s Big 10 or bust and slide to oblivion.

The conference is toast. No Money and no markets that intrigue TV. No way to attract a marquee institution due to the revenue issues.

Big 12 is losing its marque teams and in reality is what the PAC is now. They are least have a decent TV revenue contract but that will pale when the next numbers are announced.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:34 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:34 pm**

This is why no one will come to the new pac until we get a deal

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:36 pm**

Remind me again how all these years I was supposed to be rooting for USC and UCLA against non-Pac12 competition because it was good for the conference?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:39 pm**

cpt wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:36 pm Remind me again how all these years I was supposed to be rooting for USC and UCLA against non-Pac12 competition because it was good for the conference?

Yeah, fuck those turncoats

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:54 pm**

Count me among those who want AZ to leave the Pac. Conference has been a shit show for a while now. Let's move to the Big 12 or ACC. Think of the hoops matchups and TV coverage. That alone should make everyone salivate.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:58 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:00 pm**

ACC is gonna get poached too. Clemson, Florida State will be going to the SEC as will another couple as well

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:24 pm**

One item to keep in mind: Cal should be raising hell with the UC Regents about the negative impacts this has on school financials/positioning. If ucla did not get advanced blessing, enough political pressure could be raised to block their move. While the UC regents have historically allowed independent university decision making, it was always under the premise it could not negatively impact other programs.

USC could still make an independent move, but would hope this isolates them for their treachery.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:24 pm**

PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:00 pm ACC is gonna get poached too. Clemson, Florida State will be going to the SEC as will another couple as well

ACC would still have Duke, UNC, Cuse, L'ville, UVA, Wake, V-Tech...that's a hoops conference we'd absolutely want to be part of.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:33 pm**

This is all football driven. The ACC is toast as well IMO, they just don’t know it.

That above statement about protecting state universities makes no sense. Oklahoma is headed to the SEC without Okie St

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:35 pm**

Beachcat97 wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:24 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:00 pm ACC is gonna get poached too. Clemson, Florida State will be going to the SEC as will another couple as well
ACC would still have Duke, UNC, Cuse, L'ville, UVA, Wake, V-Tech...that's a hoops conference we'd absolutely want to be part of.

In terms of realignment basketball is maybe 20% of the issue. Football is 80%

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:55 pm**

PHXCATS wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:47 am What would you rather be in? Big 12 or a new PAC with the 8 current members (Oregon and Washington gone) and 6 MWC teams added? Say Fresno St, San Diego St, Wyoming, Boise St, UNLV and Nevada

Neither. It's Big 10, SEC, possibly ACC or bust. These other conferences will all be 2nd tier at some point and the recruiting disadvantages of being 2nd tier will ruin our athletic programs. Not to mention a much much smaller opportunity to ever have a shot at National Championships. That is why this whole thing is a frigging joke. Barely even worth caring about college athletics anymore unless your school is economic powerhouse. Oh and Fuck Larry Scott for being a lazy parasite with no foresight whatsoever.

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