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of course You got all that from that one tweet? AmazingPHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:11 am Told you there was a ton of behind the scenes stuff to kill the PAC-12. Obviously there is a case to be made. Will be interesting. When PAC-12 games rate better than Big-12 games by a large amount there were obviously other things at play
CYCalStateTempe wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:14 amof course
Why sue Nike/Oregon? They were late to the game.
If anything sue SC for 10+year if planning into blow it up. They played the long game.
Rate better? On what platform and deal? When did Stanford and Cal get fans? And if they do get better ratings it'll be for a very short time by people just tuneing in to see a freak show and then changing the channel(?) once they realize they are watching pac football.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:11 am Told you there was a ton of behind the scenes stuff to kill the PAC-12. Obviously there is a case to be made. Will be interesting. When PAC-12 games rate better than Big-12 games by a large amount there were obviously other things at play
If Nike gets sued it’s a ploy to pay off the $50M Comcast bill.azcat49 wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:58 amCalStateTempe wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:14 am
Why sue Nike/Oregon? They were late to the game.
If anything sue SC for 10+year if planning into blow it up. They played the long game.
Old Phil had talks after the LA schools left and who knows what was said. It was inevitable that both of those schools would head to the B1G and they ( B1G) had no appetite to kill the conference.
I have no doubt there was back room deals between Nike U and the B1G. Timing just had to be right. Now proving that is a whole other deal.
When you take off USC UCLA Texas and Oklahoma and compared Big12 and PAC12 numbers the next three highest teams are Washington Oregon and Stanford for the last t yearsKillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:01 amRate better? On what platform and deal? When did Stanford and Cal get fans? And if they do get better ratings it'll be for a very short time by people just tuneing in to see a freak show and then changing the channel(?) once they realize they are watching pac football.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:11 am Told you there was a ton of behind the scenes stuff to kill the PAC-12. Obviously there is a case to be made. Will be interesting. When PAC-12 games rate better than Big-12 games by a large amount there were obviously other things at play
Now I feel really bad for Oregon St and Wash St.EastCoastCat wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:32 am We declined a $30mil ESPN deal last fall? That's some pretty masterful negotiations by the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
INNOVATION!Alieberman wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:41 amNow I feel really bad for Oregon St and Wash St.EastCoastCat wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:32 am We declined a $30mil ESPN deal last fall? That's some pretty masterful negotiations by the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
And then divide by 3.25ish and you can have the joy that only the Cougs and Beavs could express.
There's no conspiracy here dude. Pretty clear that neither Scott nor Kliavkoff knew what they were doing, or how to read a freaking room.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:24 amWhen you take off USC UCLA Texas and Oklahoma and compared Big12 and PAC12 numbers the next three highest teams are Washington Oregon and Stanford for the last t yearsKillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:01 amRate better? On what platform and deal? When did Stanford and Cal get fans? And if they do get better ratings it'll be for a very short time by people just tuneing in to see a freak show and then changing the channel(?) once they realize they are watching pac football.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:11 am Told you there was a ton of behind the scenes stuff to kill the PAC-12. Obviously there is a case to be made. Will be interesting. When PAC-12 games rate better than Big-12 games by a large amount there were obviously other things at play
This is spot on. Take the $30 mil from ESPN, and leverage the PAC-12 Network to try and get those games on a streaming network like Amazon, YouTube, or Apple. Could have made the deal for the money the conference owes Comcast, about $72 million, and included laddered payments for additional subs. May not have added any additional money to the pot, but would have wiped the debt of the books, plus wipe a lot of production payments the conference had to make, not owning the Network anymore.Capital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:32 pmThere's no conspiracy here dude. Pretty clear that neither Scott nor Kliavkoff knew what they were doing, or how to read a freaking room.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:24 amWhen you take off USC UCLA Texas and Oklahoma and compared Big12 and PAC12 numbers the next three highest teams are Washington Oregon and Stanford for the last t yearsKillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:01 amRate better? On what platform and deal? When did Stanford and Cal get fans? And if they do get better ratings it'll be for a very short time by people just tuneing in to see a freak show and then changing the channel(?) once they realize they are watching pac football.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:11 am Told you there was a ton of behind the scenes stuff to kill the PAC-12. Obviously there is a case to be made. Will be interesting. When PAC-12 games rate better than Big-12 games by a large amount there were obviously other things at play
Yeah, yeah, Pac-X teams rated higher than Big XII teams after USC/UCLA & OU/UT left. However, that higher value was not as high as Kliavkoff thought it could be. To wit, the report that GK turned down a 30 mil offer from ESPN. Had he taken that, or even negotiated it up a tad, Pac-10 would likely still be a thing. BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW what a good deal it was. He didn't understand that linear TV as we know it is failing. And then he has the nerve to present a variable plan to the presidents who basically fired Larry Scott for the albatross of the Pac-12 network.
Well, at that point the math didn't matter. It was an unstable system; an unbalanced equation - A SINKING SHIP. All the good swimmers jumped to safety and the Pac-4 were left like Travolta in the meme from Pulp Fiction.
Fox and ESPN just came in to clean up LS and GK's mess. The end.
Amazing that an LSU fan gets it better than some posters here who lived through the ineptitude.Capital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:32 pmThere's no conspiracy here dude. Pretty clear that neither Scott nor Kliavkoff knew what they were doing, or how to read a freaking room.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:24 amWhen you take off USC UCLA Texas and Oklahoma and compared Big12 and PAC12 numbers the next three highest teams are Washington Oregon and Stanford for the last t yearsKillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:01 amRate better? On what platform and deal? When did Stanford and Cal get fans? And if they do get better ratings it'll be for a very short time by people just tuneing in to see a freak show and then changing the channel(?) once they realize they are watching pac football.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:11 am Told you there was a ton of behind the scenes stuff to kill the PAC-12. Obviously there is a case to be made. Will be interesting. When PAC-12 games rate better than Big-12 games by a large amount there were obviously other things at play
Yeah, yeah, Pac-X teams rated higher than Big XII teams after USC/UCLA & OU/UT left. However, that higher value was not as high as Kliavkoff thought it could be. To wit, the report that GK turned down a 30 mil offer from ESPN. Had he taken that, or even negotiated it up a tad, Pac-10 would likely still be a thing. BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW what a good deal it was. He didn't understand that linear TV as we know it is failing. And then he has the nerve to present a variable plan to the presidents who basically fired Larry Scott for the albatross of the Pac-12 network.
Well, at that point the math didn't matter. It was an unstable system; an unbalanced equation - A SINKING SHIP. All the good swimmers jumped to safety and the Pac-4 were left like Travolta in the meme from Pulp Fiction.
Fox and ESPN just came in to clean up LS and GK's mess. The end.
We will see what comes of the lawsuit. There is obviously more we don't knowCapital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:32 pmThere's no conspiracy here dude. Pretty clear that neither Scott nor Kliavkoff knew what they were doing, or how to read a freaking room.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:24 amWhen you take off USC UCLA Texas and Oklahoma and compared Big12 and PAC12 numbers the next three highest teams are Washington Oregon and Stanford for the last t yearsKillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:01 amRate better? On what platform and deal? When did Stanford and Cal get fans? And if they do get better ratings it'll be for a very short time by people just tuneing in to see a freak show and then changing the channel(?) once they realize they are watching pac football.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:11 am Told you there was a ton of behind the scenes stuff to kill the PAC-12. Obviously there is a case to be made. Will be interesting. When PAC-12 games rate better than Big-12 games by a large amount there were obviously other things at play
Yeah, yeah, Pac-X teams rated higher than Big XII teams after USC/UCLA & OU/UT left. However, that higher value was not as high as Kliavkoff thought it could be. To wit, the report that GK turned down a 30 mil offer from ESPN. Had he taken that, or even negotiated it up a tad, Pac-10 would likely still be a thing. BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW what a good deal it was. He didn't understand that linear TV as we know it is failing. And then he has the nerve to present a variable plan to the presidents who basically fired Larry Scott for the albatross of the Pac-12 network.
Well, at that point the math didn't matter. It was an unstable system; an unbalanced equation - A SINKING SHIP. All the good swimmers jumped to safety and the Pac-4 were left like Travolta in the meme from Pulp Fiction.
Fox and ESPN just came in to clean up LS and GK's mess. The end.
The 30Million offer was for 100% of the inventory so no games for the PAC-12 Network unless espn sold them to the PAC-12AzCatFan2 wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:36 pmThis is spot on. Take the $30 mil from ESPN, and leverage the PAC-12 Network to try and get those games on a streaming network like Amazon, YouTube, or Apple. Could have made the deal for the money the conference owes Comcast, about $72 million, and included laddered payments for additional subs. May not have added any additional money to the pot, but would have wiped the debt of the books, plus wipe a lot of production payments the conference had to make, not owning the Network anymore.Capital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:32 pmThere's no conspiracy here dude. Pretty clear that neither Scott nor Kliavkoff knew what they were doing, or how to read a freaking room.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:24 amWhen you take off USC UCLA Texas and Oklahoma and compared Big12 and PAC12 numbers the next three highest teams are Washington Oregon and Stanford for the last t yearsKillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:01 amRate better? On what platform and deal? When did Stanford and Cal get fans? And if they do get better ratings it'll be for a very short time by people just tuneing in to see a freak show and then changing the channel(?) once they realize they are watching pac football.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:11 am Told you there was a ton of behind the scenes stuff to kill the PAC-12. Obviously there is a case to be made. Will be interesting. When PAC-12 games rate better than Big-12 games by a large amount there were obviously other things at play
Yeah, yeah, Pac-X teams rated higher than Big XII teams after USC/UCLA & OU/UT left. However, that higher value was not as high as Kliavkoff thought it could be. To wit, the report that GK turned down a 30 mil offer from ESPN. Had he taken that, or even negotiated it up a tad, Pac-10 would likely still be a thing. BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW what a good deal it was. He didn't understand that linear TV as we know it is failing. And then he has the nerve to present a variable plan to the presidents who basically fired Larry Scott for the albatross of the Pac-12 network.
Well, at that point the math didn't matter. It was an unstable system; an unbalanced equation - A SINKING SHIP. All the good swimmers jumped to safety and the Pac-4 were left like Travolta in the meme from Pulp Fiction.
Fox and ESPN just came in to clean up LS and GK's mess. The end.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand CUT!Capital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:32 pmThere's no conspiracy here dude. Pretty clear that neither Scott nor Kliavkoff knew what they were doing, or how to read a freaking room.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:24 amWhen you take off USC UCLA Texas and Oklahoma and compared Big12 and PAC12 numbers the next three highest teams are Washington Oregon and Stanford for the last t yearsKillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:01 amRate better? On what platform and deal? When did Stanford and Cal get fans? And if they do get better ratings it'll be for a very short time by people just tuneing in to see a freak show and then changing the channel(?) once they realize they are watching pac football.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:11 am Told you there was a ton of behind the scenes stuff to kill the PAC-12. Obviously there is a case to be made. Will be interesting. When PAC-12 games rate better than Big-12 games by a large amount there were obviously other things at play
Yeah, yeah, Pac-X teams rated higher than Big XII teams after USC/UCLA & OU/UT left. However, that higher value was not as high as Kliavkoff thought it could be. To wit, the report that GK turned down a 30 mil offer from ESPN. Had he taken that, or even negotiated it up a tad, Pac-10 would likely still be a thing. BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW what a good deal it was. He didn't understand that linear TV as we know it is failing. And then he has the nerve to present a variable plan to the presidents who basically fired Larry Scott for the albatross of the Pac-12 network.
Well, at that point the math didn't matter. It was an unstable system; an unbalanced equation - A SINKING SHIP. All the good swimmers jumped to safety and the Pac-4 were left like Travolta in the meme from Pulp Fiction.
Fox and ESPN just came in to clean up LS and GK's mess. The end.
PHX, what is it that you hope comes of the lawsuit? They're not getting the band back together.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:04 pm
We will see what comes of the lawsuit. There is obviously more we don't know
All can be true at the same tkme. Scott sucked. George K overshot and overvalued the PAC-12 and fox was doing stuff to kill thr PAC-12
I want to know what really happened. That is all. And for corrupt fox and incredibly corrupt espn to be held accountableCapital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:34 pmPHX, what is it that you hope comes of the lawsuit? They're not getting the band back together.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:04 pm
We will see what comes of the lawsuit. There is obviously more we don't know
All can be true at the same tkme. Scott sucked. George K overshot and overvalued the PAC-12 and fox was doing stuff to kill thr PAC-12
It’s called having sources you troll. And let’s not pretend that you don’t cite Scheer when it serves your agenda.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:50 pm Scheer was not in the meetings. He does not know first hand. Nor does Luke.
The bullshit of calling out other media members is so fucking annoying and makes UA look so bad
Of course he does. But my point as I stated is that he wasn't in the room. We don't even know if his sources were.azcat49 wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:14 pm I would say that if Scheer can take on ESPIN that he probably has some good info here. Maybe he doesn’t know what Fox and Nike U collaborated on but he probably has some great sources on this stuff
I believe you mean Comcast?Postmaster wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:21 pm What happened to the money that Cox overpaid? You’d think if each school got the money somebody would have said something. Or did it go to a few schools? Or did it go to Scott?
$50 mil seems like a lot to not notice.
My incredibly reliable source in Port Au Prince just notified me he saw a missile heading west. No shitKillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:43 pm France is thinking about gearing up to fire its nukes at Jamaica (allegedly). Just Inside info from one of my sources. It may be fuckin stupid to report that but that's what im being told and you know feelings and view points and things.
You insisted on checking out his/her dick size? Did you demand a bet on it first?PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:54 pm ...... I do think there is a good chance KillerKlown is Luke
Okay so you want to find out but you are convinced that FOX and ESPN are corrupt. Got it. You're just curious is all.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:41 pmI want to know what really happened. That is all. And for corrupt fox and incredibly corrupt espn to be held accountableCapital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:34 pmPHX, what is it that you hope comes of the lawsuit? They're not getting the band back together.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:04 pm
We will see what comes of the lawsuit. There is obviously more we don't know
All can be true at the same tkme. Scott sucked. George K overshot and overvalued the PAC-12 and fox was doing stuff to kill thr PAC-12
You might need to learn about how espn lied about Sean Miller and Deandre Ayton and fucked U of A over for yearsCapital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:41 pmOkay so you want to find out but you are convinced that FOX and ESPN are corrupt. Got it. You're just curious is all.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:41 pmI want to know what really happened. That is all. And for corrupt fox and incredibly corrupt espn to be held accountableCapital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:34 pmPHX, what is it that you hope comes of the lawsuit? They're not getting the band back together.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:04 pm
We will see what comes of the lawsuit. There is obviously more we don't know
All can be true at the same tkme. Scott sucked. George K overshot and overvalued the PAC-12 and fox was doing stuff to kill thr PAC-12
First, Occam's Razor tells us that my summarization is most likely what happened.
Second, it doesn't matter any more. The only thing that Arizona and its fans need to focus on is winning games and championships in the Big XII.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/03/19/c ... ean-millerPHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:46 pmYou might need to learn about how espn lied about Sean Miller and Deandre Ayton and fucked U of A over for yearsCapital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:41 pmOkay so you want to find out but you are convinced that FOX and ESPN are corrupt. Got it. You're just curious is all.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:41 pmI want to know what really happened. That is all. And for corrupt fox and incredibly corrupt espn to be held accountableCapital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:34 pmPHX, what is it that you hope comes of the lawsuit? They're not getting the band back together.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:04 pm
We will see what comes of the lawsuit. There is obviously more we don't know
All can be true at the same tkme. Scott sucked. George K overshot and overvalued the PAC-12 and fox was doing stuff to kill thr PAC-12
First, Occam's Razor tells us that my summarization is most likely what happened.
Second, it doesn't matter any more. The only thing that Arizona and its fans need to focus on is winning games and championships in the Big XII.
Shit! There's a prince there that owes me millions.
Shit. My totally good grammar sold me out. You got me.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:54 pm The fact that you all are joking about this shit proves how brainwashed you all are by Scheer and Luke. Forget that multiple national and PAC12 writers and podcasters say there is something there. Although I do think there is a good chance KillerKlown is Luke
What up Iron Mike?KillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:14 pmShit. My totally good grammar sold me out. You got me.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:54 pm The fact that you all are joking about this shit proves how brainwashed you all are by Scheer and Luke. Forget that multiple national and PAC12 writers and podcasters say there is something there. Although I do think there is a good chance KillerKlown is Luke
The easy answer is they just join the MW and become the 5th big conference. 16 teams, even if most aren’t powerhouses, should be enough to get a new TV contract at least on par with what the PAC-9 was poised to get.Capital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:59 pm One possible strategy for Stanford and Cal, along with WSU/OSU.
They get a 2-year grace period for remaining a conference (with less than 8 members), so that means they could exist as a 4-team conference for the 2024 & 2025 seasons. Play a double round-robin in 2024. Pick the 4-6 most desirable programs from the Mountain West and/or AAC, but give them the time they need to join, so some may join in 2025, some may not join until 2026. Need a TV/streaming partner for those years for sure, but they could pick up, say, San Diego St., SMU, Gonzaga hoops/olympic sports, Boise St. (swallow your pride, Stanford - it's what got you into this mess), UNLV, then maybe Colorado St and Tulane? There you go - a new Pac-10 is born!
You're in luck!Capital Tiger wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:59 pm One possible strategy for Stanford and Cal, along with WSU/OSU.
They get a 2-year grace period for remaining a conference (with less than 8 members), so that means they could exist as a 4-team conference for the 2024 & 2025 seasons. Play a double round-robin in 2024. Pick the 4-6 most desirable programs from the Mountain West and/or AAC, but give them the time they need to join, so some may join in 2025, some may not join until 2026. Need a TV/streaming partner for those years for sure, but they could pick up, say, San Diego St., SMU, Gonzaga hoops/olympic sports, Boise St. (swallow your pride, Stanford - it's what got you into this mess), UNLV, then maybe Colorado St and Tulane? There you go - a new Pac-10 is born!