2018-19 Phoenix Suns

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:25 pm

Deandre drafted at #1 overall.

Who are they taking at #16? Trading up?

I'm thinking maybe Aaron Holiday or DiVincenzo.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:45 pm

Who knows if the Suns will actually get better or win, but Ayton at least makes me interested again.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:09 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:14 pm

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:20 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:

Head scratching ... I love Bridges' game but Not sure why the Suns drafts another wing.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:53 pm

Suns take French point guard Elie Okobo with the first pick in the second round.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 pm

Frybry02 wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:
Head scratching ... I love Bridges' game but Not sure why the Suns drafts another wing.

I loved it.

Booker
Bridges
Jackson
Ayton

Add in a PG who can provide some creation, can defend a bit, can shoot (sounds like Okobo's projection) and thats a very modern starting 5.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:19 am

TucsonClip wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:
Head scratching ... I love Bridges' game but Not sure why the Suns drafts another wing.
I loved it.

Booker
Bridges
Jackson
Ayton

Add in a PG who can provide some creation, can defend a bit, can shoot (sounds like Okobo's projection) and thats a very modern starting 5.

Okobo is a spacing god, apparently. Super quick motion/release and good off catch or dribble, meaning in PnR, you have to fight through or switch, which means Ayton will have a smaller defender on him.

Off spot up, he is apparently almost elite.

Wingspan should allow him to become a solid gambling defender, but I trust Igor to get him to buy in a bit more.

But he’s a PnR scorer who attacks off switches, or shoots with just a sliver of light.

Interesting pick.

I think I like him as a backup who can scorer for next few years, but his upside projects as a starting PG.

And Bridges with Jackson defensively is brilliant, and he’s an even better fit for Igor offensively. Plus passer, great shooter, solid build for lane attacks, but should be able to develop some off-ball motion schemes ala Klay and get some side to side, screened open shots.

pokinmik · Post by **pokinmik** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:58 am

Loved the suns draft. You can never have too many long athletic wings. Bridges has a 7’ wingspan! Just watched Okobo highlights and he can def shoot the 3 w a quick release. Then add in Ayton as a pure monster down low w his array of moves and dunking power. Aytons mobility is excellent picking up smaller defenders as well. Suns just got way more athletic and better on defense hopefully very soon.

Now we see what kind of trades and or free agent moves they can pull off. Suns can easily jump towards the playoffs and be a most improved type of team, Ayton is that special.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:27 pm

Suns GM Ryan McDonough just said that Deandre's workout was the best he had ever seen in his 16 years in the NBA

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:01 am

Huge fan of that draft for Phoenix.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:02 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:03 pm

Trevor Ariza, 15 million for one year.

Why?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:44 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:Trevor Ariza, 15 million for one year.

Why?

That is a phenomenal question.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:17 pm

Competent wings are extremely valuable.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:17 pm

Chicat wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:Trevor Ariza, 15 million for one year.

Why?
That is a phenomenal question.

Positionless basketball, he's Phoenix's face up 4 next year along with Bender, plus his experience will be valuable for the young guns.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:35 am

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:01 am

UAEebs86 wrote:

After Woj broke the news that Anderson dropped his salary to match Knight's this trade looks much much better now, especially after landing Melton.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:59 pm

They tried trading for Damian Lillard, Kemba Walker, or Boston’s Terry Rozier. Damn

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:13 am

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:42 am

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:27 am

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:06 pm

So the coaching hire was a mistake or another issue? They are playing well and still no Booker

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:03 pm

Jefe wrote:So the coaching hire was a mistake or another issue? They are playing well and still no Booker

Igor May have history with Jones because Igor was on D’Antoni’s SSOL Suns staff when Jones was a player.

Igor is brilliant offensively and really good with big men defensively, so, I doubt that was an issue.

Plus Igor was cheap, which Sarver likes.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:00 am

JMarkJohns wrote:
Jefe wrote:So the coaching hire was a mistake or another issue? They are playing well and still no Booker
Igor May have history with Jones because Igor was on D’Antoni’s SSOL Suns staff when Jones was a player.

Igor is brilliant offensively and really good with big men defensively, so, I doubt that was an issue.

Plus Igor was cheap, which Sarver likes.

Yeah this is about the glaring hole at point guard not being addressed with the regular season breathing down our necks as well as Sarver wanting to start winning again and he loves Jones. As JMark will attest to, Suns fans pretty much see this for what it is and that's Sarver can very likely control Jones so he'll be the default GM with Jones being the puppet. As Suns fans we can't wait for the next Hakim Warrick and Josh Childress signings.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:27 pm

76ers turned down a second round offer by Phx for TJ.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:19 am

So, about last night, I want to both weaponize it, and inject it into my veins!

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:28 pm

Nov 30 Suns Magic, tons of cheap seats. We could witness 2 Wildcats combine for 50+ but will be overshadowed by Devin's 50+

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:37 pm

What a twat

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:10 am

He cut Al McCoy's pay this season.

Not lying. Dead serious. Ask Sarver about that.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:38 am

The Suns are a huge mess. Bridges ignores Igor during the game and Ayton and Booker have words after. Right now it's looking like the Suns should of taken Doncic. Ayton is playing lazy basketball and it has gotten so bad, he did not start last night.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ ... 234658002/" target="_blank

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:17 pm

Irish27 wrote:The Suns are a huge mess. Bridges ignores Igor during the game and Ayton and Booker have words after. Right now it's looking like the Suns should of taken Doncic. Ayton is playing lazy basketball and it has gotten so bad, he did not start last night.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ ... 234658002/" target="_blank

He was sick...

https://twitter.com/ginamizell/status/1 ... 29154?s=21" target="_blank

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:09 pm

Sarver wants a publicly funded new arena or highly renovated Talking Stick..or he says he's moving the team to Vegas or Seattle.

USA Today: Report: Suns owner threatens to move team to Seattle or Vegas in arena
dispute.
https://ftw-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject ... cation/amp" target="_blank

Post by **UAdevil** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:24 pm

Fuck Sarver.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:59 pm

What UAdevil said

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:46 pm

Agree with the article, call his lame bluff. If he leaves fight for the name. If their is another city that owns it's name like the browns, it's the suns (related to franchises that really would move)

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:33 pm

What a cunt.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:34 am

azcat49 wrote:Agree with the article, call his lame bluff. If he leaves fight for the name. If their is another city that owns it's name like the browns, it's the suns (related to franchises that really would move)

I agree Fuck Sarver, the Suns would be better off in the long run to start over without that asshole. Phoenix shouldn't give him a penny.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:08 am

But guys, would you be able to stand seeing such a championship level basketball team go away? Think of all the winning you’d miss!

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:29 am

Chicat wrote:But guys, would you be able to stand seeing such a championship level basketball team go away? Think of all the winning you’d miss!

Well historically the sun's are like the 5th winningest team in basketball...

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:04 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:38 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Chicat wrote:But guys, would you be able to stand seeing such a championship level basketball team go away? Think of all the winning you’d miss!
Well historically the sun's are like the 5th winningest team in basketball...

Historically, the English were the greatest empire builders the world has ever seen.

Historically, the people of Central Italy ruled the known world.

Historically, dinosaurs were the most dominant species on Earth for tens of millions of years.

How ‘bout now?

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:42 pm

Still doesn't change what I said at all.

Suns are a franchise that is used to winning and going to the playoffs. Sarver has ruined all that.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:51 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:08 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:Still doesn't change what I said at all.

Then I do believe you intentionally fundamentally misunderstood what I was saying. But that’s cool.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:43 pm

The backtracking isn’t convincing, and doesn’t really backtrack. I called it years ago: Sarver is going to destroy the product, and when when the community stops supporting his crappy franchise, he’ll move it to a more desperate place that doesn’t hate him. If you’re Phoenix, let him go. It’s your only chance to get a real franchise back, even if it takes decades.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm

I can't muster the strength to give a shit about anything the Sun's do now. Wanna leave? Ok. Just another rotten part of the foundation of my sports fandom.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:36 am

ASUHATER! wrote:Sarver wants a publicly funded new arena or highly renovated Talking Stick..or he says he's moving the team to Vegas or Seattle.

USA Today: Report: Suns owner threatens to move team to Seattle or Vegas in arena
dispute.
https://ftw-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject ... cation/amp" target="_blank

This is a total lie

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:59 am

Go on...how so?

Out of state so I don’t know much of what is going on with this.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:43 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Go on...how so?

Out of state so I don’t know much of what is going on with this.

As a huge Suns fan including season ticket holder (well partial plan), a Phoenix Resident and tax payer and critic of the media after the bullshit from MSPN I have been following this story very closely and done a ton of research on it.

Let me preface this by saying I am not a fan of how Sarver has ran the team or his basketball decisions since 2010 and even before that there were bad decisions. So dont mistake this as a defense for Sarver, this is just the facts. Like me with Larry Scott. He sucks and needs to go but I only blame him for the things he should be blamed for.

Anyway here are the facts on the Suns-Sarver-Talking Stick Resort Arena-City of Phoenix issue. But before I get into the story of the last few weeks you must understand these two facts that are not being reported much if at all.

Talking Stick Resort Arena is owned by the City of Phoenix. The Suns are their main tenant and run the arena for the City. Suns book all events and take a small cut as a fee for doing so of the proceeds of these events like concerts and Disney on Ice. But the City gets the majority of it as the owner. Suns also pay for all operating costs of the arena like the security, electric bill, etc. So the Suns pay millions to the City each year and operate the arena for the City. Glendale pays over $5 Million a year to a company to run Gila River Arena so this is another cost Sarver helps the City with.

The funds for this project are coming from the Sports Facility Fund which was put in place in the early 90s to pay for the construction of Talking Stick Resort Arena and renovations for it down the line. This comes from a tax on rental cars and hotel rooms. So this is a tourist tax. Yes still tax payers but the media is mislead when they say the City of Phoenix Residents are paying for this. They are not except when they do staycations or rent cars. Also the City of Phoenix fucked up the Downtown Sheraton hotel so bad by buying it then selling it for a loss that the City needs to dip into the Sports Facility Fund to pay for that fuckup.

So now the story of the last few weeks.

A deal was struck two weeks ago where the City of Phoenix will pay for the structural and foundation needs of about $150M and the Suns will pay the rest which is cosmetics. Suns will benefit for the cosmetics yes but the City will every day as well minus the 60 days the Suns and Mercury have games. Anyway the Suns pay $80M for cosmetics. Suns will also spend $50M for a new practice facility. Currently the practice facility is in the basement and is part of the lease agreement for rent. Rent will not go down with the practice facility moving. Also for every dollar over budget Suns pay it. And the Suns will pay if the City cannot and be reimbursed by lowered rent payments down the line. So the Suns have way more on the line and risk than the City.

Also note that the Suns paid $149M to date on existing renovations many of which are structural like electrical and plumbing. City has paid $80M. So this deal puts it at 50/50 even though Sarver and the Suns arent obligated to pay a dime.

Kate Gallego is the front runner to be voted the next Phoenix Mayor in March. She sucks really bad on this issue. She is completely inept, misinformed and a total coward. She is a hard no even though the facts say she should be. So the City Council and Suns agreed two weeks ago and pushed the vote up to last week because of fear Gallego will fuck it up. Now this next part is not confirmed but I have supreme confidence that it is true. A misleading poll was conducted that said nearly 70% of people dont approve of tax payers paying for the renovation of Talking Stick Resort Arena. The Poll was so misleading because they only called people with land lines, did not say that the Suns and City split the costs,that there was an agreed upon plan, that tourist pay for it or that TSRA is owned by the City. The person who commissioned the poll wont say who asked him to do it. I would bet a month's salary it was Gallego. Look at this interview and how much of an dishonest idiot he was.

Anyway the media picks this up and again doesnt give the facts, just say that most people dont want this plan because of this poll. This is a huge story here (completely misleading by the way) and on the day of the vote it appears the votes to get this done are not there anymore so the vote is pushed back a month with the chance for 5 public meetings on the subject. As soon as the delay in the vote is annouced Laurie Roberts reports that Sarver threatened to move the team to Las vegas or Seattle. Her source was someone involved with the City Council (keep in mind Kate Gallego was a councilman until she decided to run for mayor). So this gets the City even more against Sarver. Except for Robert Sarver never did threaten. This was a lie and the source that Roberts used clarified the next day (or maybe two days after) that the threat never took place.

So now Sarver is vilified for lies and misleading information. And no one is talking about the arena being owned by the City, the funding source, that Sarver had put up over $100M of his money when he had no obligation to, that he donates tons of money every year to local charities and that Kate Gallego and the other no votes on the council have no plan of what to do with TSRA if the Suns leave TSRA.

Now why Gallego is a coward. She wont do interviews unless she knows the questions beforehand and wont talk about her plan if the Suns leave downtown Phoenix. She also wont answer if she paid Barrett Marson to do that poll. So she is just talking trash with no plan. She also has no idea of the agreement the City and Suns have in place and she was on Mac and Gaydos on 92.3 and honestly seemed to have no idea that the City owns TSRA. The interviews she has given she does not talk about the facts of the term sheet of the agreement between the Suns and City. Sorry but if you are going to be the mayor of my city you got to have a plan and know what the fuck you are talking about. Fuck Gallego.

But yeah Sarver sucks as the owner in terms of basketball product but he is doing so much more than he needs to on this deal that helps the City. Will Phoenix and especially downtown survive if the Suns move to a reservation, yes they will but it wont be nearly what it is now and the DT Phoenix isnt great now but it has huge momentum currently which will all be thrown away.

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