2024-25 Arizona Basketball
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IMNSHO, the three games in three days of this tourney rank high in Arizona basketball enjoyment.
Watching this team throughout the season deal with team building, injury, the challenges of a new league has been well worth the journey.
I like all the individuals on the team and coaching staff - good people all that I'm happy to support, even when things don't go our way. I like the way every individual competed, and, even the less-skilled players never shirked on effort or attitude. I don't hold any skill deficits against any of them, and while I acknowledge those realities, I refuse to emphasize them or to be disrespectful.
IMNSHO, if a player is on our roster, they are "Arizona-good" (one of the stupidest concepts that I've ever seen deployed seriously, BTW), and should be SUPPORTED by all Arizona fans.
I'm especially enjoying the culture that CTL is building in our program, especially the "toughness" at both ends of the court; I'm thrilled to hear coaches like Self and Sampson acknowledge that "toughness" in post-game comments.
I liked the Big-12 venues and competition a lot more than I expected to, and look forward to the future in the league...
I continue to feel happy and lucky to be an Arizona fan. We all should!!!!
BTFD!!!!
Watching this team throughout the season deal with team building, injury, the challenges of a new league has been well worth the journey.
I like all the individuals on the team and coaching staff - good people all that I'm happy to support, even when things don't go our way. I like the way every individual competed, and, even the less-skilled players never shirked on effort or attitude. I don't hold any skill deficits against any of them, and while I acknowledge those realities, I refuse to emphasize them or to be disrespectful.
IMNSHO, if a player is on our roster, they are "Arizona-good" (one of the stupidest concepts that I've ever seen deployed seriously, BTW), and should be SUPPORTED by all Arizona fans.
I'm especially enjoying the culture that CTL is building in our program, especially the "toughness" at both ends of the court; I'm thrilled to hear coaches like Self and Sampson acknowledge that "toughness" in post-game comments.
I liked the Big-12 venues and competition a lot more than I expected to, and look forward to the future in the league...
I continue to feel happy and lucky to be an Arizona fan. We all should!!!!
BTFD!!!!
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Well fucking said PC.
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Amenpc in NM wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:12 pm IMNSHO, the three games in three days of this tourney rank high in Arizona basketball enjoyment.
Watching this team throughout the season deal with team building, injury, the challenges of a new league has been well worth the journey.
I like all the individuals on the team and coaching staff - good people all that I'm happy to support, even when things don't go our way. I like the way every individual competed, and, even the less-skilled players never shirked on effort or attitude. I don't hold any skill deficits against any of them, and while I acknowledge those realities, I refuse to emphasize them or to be disrespectful.
IMNSHO, if a player is on our roster, they are "Arizona-good" (one of the stupidest concepts that I've ever seen deployed seriously, BTW), and should be SUPPORTED by all Arizona fans.
I'm especially enjoying the culture that CTL is building in our program, especially the "toughness" at both ends of the court; I'm thrilled to hear coaches like Self and Sampson acknowledge that "toughness" in post-game comments.
I liked the Big-12 venues and competition a lot more than I expected to, and look forward to the future in the league...
I continue to feel happy and lucky to be an Arizona fan. We all should!!!!
BTFD!!!!
100% agree
Lloyd and staff are elite. Fuck the haters
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Calling out players for not stepping up when being targeted by the opposing team is a hater?
Then what does that make Lloyd?
Discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the team is what discussion groups like this one is for. Maybe someone should start a Glee Club thread with only good news and cheering allowed.
But will say after the game last night, both my wife and I said we are extremely happy how season the season turned out, vastly exceeding our expectations.
Then what does that make Lloyd?
Discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the team is what discussion groups like this one is for. Maybe someone should start a Glee Club thread with only good news and cheering allowed.
But will say after the game last night, both my wife and I said we are extremely happy how season the season turned out, vastly exceeding our expectations.
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No, "calling out players" for being "targeted" is many things, but I wouldn't call it "hating". You might have noticed that when coaches point out that teams (are good at) targeting", it is a COMPLIMENT.Merkin wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:27 pm Calling out players for not stepping up when being targeted by the opposing team is a hater?
Then what does that make Lloyd?
Discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the team is what discussion groups like this one is for. Maybe someone should start a Glee Club thread with only good news and cheering allowed.
But will say after the game last night, both my wife and I said we are extremely happy how season the season turned out, vastly exceeding our expectations.
These are more accurate terms, IMNSHO
"Stupid" - every player, except a few super stars, has vulnerabilities - D'uh!!!
"Disrespectful" - as if being targeted is a character flaw.
"Disloyal" - we can ONLY expect our players to do their best, even if that's not as "good" as we'd prefer...
If you NEED to call out players on your own team, maybe focus on "lack of effort", malfeasance, misfeasance, or other moral or athletic "sin". (You might recall, we've had some of that in the past.)
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The radio postgame show was saying we beat 92% of teams in college basketball with the effort we displayed last night and I agree. If we play like we did last night we can be a second weekend team for sure. Hopefully the close loss motivates the guys to get there. This being Caleb's last chance will hopefully be even more motivation for him.
“The reality is that the hardest games to win are over teams on their home court. Teams that don’t play those games can spin it however they want, but what they’re saying is, ‘We don’t want to lose in our non conference season.’" - Sean Miller
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o rly? i mean, ofc fans should support the team. a lot of other fanboards also have an unwritten rule that you crit the plays but not the players, fwiw. but in an increasingly mercenary-minded sport, it's a little weird to quash fan dissent when athletes' and coaches' loyalty to $$$ over their schools have become normalized. zoom out a little bit.pc in NM wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:12 pm IMNSHO, if a player is on our roster, they are "Arizona-good" (one of the stupidest concepts that I've ever seen deployed seriously, BTW), and should be SUPPORTED by all Arizona fans.
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“The reality is that the hardest games to win are over teams on their home court. Teams that don’t play those games can spin it however they want, but what they’re saying is, ‘We don’t want to lose in our non conference season.’" - Sean Miller
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That’s to much. Already Down to -13.5 at one book Oregon only favored by 4.5
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Playing at 4:35 pm on TruTV.
“The reality is that the hardest games to win are over teams on their home court. Teams that don’t play those games can spin it however they want, but what they’re saying is, ‘We don’t want to lose in our non conference season.’" - Sean Miller
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Amen preach brotha
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Looks like a game for Conrad to get some minutes
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That is an NIT announcing crew.
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Fucking moronic take
Arizona doesn't have to do fucking shit. Arizona can play big
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If you say or use "SRS" you are a moron
Thankfully lots of idiots telling on themselves
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Why are you shitting on one of our players? Conrad would probably light these guys up.
Be a better fan
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What are you talking about? He could do well in this game. Same with ADO Townsend Tobe Caleb KJ Caleb Jayden HenriAlieberman wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:50 amWhy are you shitting on one of our players? Conrad would probably light these guys up.
Be a better fan
Arizona can also size Akron to death forcing Akron to try to play big
It is always so annoying when people talk matchups and adjustments on one side
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Hilariously, Arizona has gone “small” in a number of games with great success, including in all three conference tourney games.
But angry posters gonna post angry I guess.
But angry posters gonna post angry I guess.
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The Athletic's take on Arizona's NCAA prospects...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/618229 ... Id=9651934
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/618229 ... Id=9651934
March Madness bracket prep 2025: Strengths, weaknesses, team previews for all 68 teams
Arizona - Rob Dauster
Strengths: Generally speaking, you know what you’re going to get out of a Tommy Lloyd-coached team. It’s going to push in transition and look for early post seals, and if that fails, it’s going to run some ball-screen continuity action until it can get a good shot. When center Motiejus Krivas (foot surgery) was lost for the season, the Wildcats didn’t have a low-post presence to lean on. Enter Henri Veesaar and Tobe Awaka, their thunder and lightning duo at the five. Awaka is the physical, offensive-rebounding hoss, while Veesaar is a rim-running, floor-spacing five. With that duo, a potent backcourt and the emergence of potential lottery pick Carter Bryant, U of A has a lot of different ways to score.
Weaknesses: Arizona feels a bit like a team without an identity. On paper, the group doesn’t look all that different from Lloyd’s first three years in Tucson when the Wildcats won the Pac-12 twice and were a top-two seed all three seasons. He has some good guards. Awaka and Veesaar have been an impactful center platoon over the last three months. Jaden Bradley has his moments, and Caleb Love is capable of winning or losing a game all on his own. However, I’m not sure what they do well scares an opposing coach. They aren’t some defensive juggernaut, and they aren’t as good in transition as in years past. They beat who they are supposed to beat, and they lose the games they are supposed to lose.
Outlook: “Good but not great” is probably the best way to sum up what Arizona is in 2025. Its guards — Love, Bradley and Anthony Dell’Orso — are good enough to win a game or two in March, but I’m not sure the Wildcats are built for a deep run. Their bigs are capable of creating some matchup problems, but they’re not even a top-four frontcourt in the Big 12. Bryant is good for a freshman, but he’s not among the top-10 freshmen in America. Arizona is one of those teams that is unlikely to get upset in the first round, but it is also just as unlikely to advance to the Elite Eight.
What to know: As Caleb Love goes, so goes Arizona. When he’s hot, the Wildcats can beat anyone.
Record: 22-12 (14-6 Big 12)
Coach: Tommy Lloyd (4-3 in NCAA Tournament)
Player to watch: Caleb Love (First Team All-Big 12)
Numbers
- BetMGM title odds: +5000
- Sweet 16 projected chance: 60.5%
- Final Four projected chance: 6.6%
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Then why are you calling 84Cat a moron for suggesting Conrad get some minutes?PHXCATS wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:28 amWhat are you talking about? He could do well in this game.Alieberman wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:50 amWhy are you shitting on one of our players? Conrad would probably light these guys up.
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I am not. I am calling that tweeter a moronAlieberman wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:50 amThen why are you calling 84Cat a moron for suggesting Conrad get some minutes?PHXCATS wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:28 amWhat are you talking about? He could do well in this game.Alieberman wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:50 amWhy are you shitting on one of our players? Conrad would probably light these guys up.
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Akron vs. Arizona looks like a classic mid-major versus P1 tournament game. Arizona has the size and athleticism, but Akron is scrappy and plays a lot of guys that aren't afraid to shoot from the outside. I'd like to see us run everything through Awaka to start. Unless the shot is an open dunk or lay-up, Tobe should touch the ball every half court possession to start the game. Try and establish the paint is ours and force the Zips to double team or foul.
What we can't do is get in a 3-point shooting contest with these guys. We just aren't a great shooting team. And with our size, when we are on D, we need to try and force them off the line and take contested 2-point shots.
What we can't do is get in a 3-point shooting contest with these guys. We just aren't a great shooting team. And with our size, when we are on D, we need to try and force them off the line and take contested 2-point shots.
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The Wildcats have had a parabolic-type season: started 4-5, then went 13-1, now 5-6 in their last 11. They rank anywhere from ninth to 14th in mainstream predictive metrics. Sometimes I see this group and think it's Final Four-good. Other times Arizona looks eminently beatable against most teams in this field. Tommy Lloyd has two Sweet 16 appearances and a first-round knockout in his three previous showings with Arizona. Anything is on the table here. At 16.6 points per game, Caleb Love is in his swan song as a college player. He's been pretty good this season, flanked by two guys who will ultimately determine how far Arizona goes: sophomore guard KJ Lewis (10.9 ppg) and junior guard Jaden Bradley (11.8 ppg).
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The Wildcats have had a parabolic-type season: started 4-5, then went 13-1, now 5-6 in their last 11. They rank anywhere from ninth to 14th in mainstream predictive metrics. Sometimes I see this group and think it's Final Four-good. Other times Arizona looks eminently beatable against most teams in this field. Tommy Lloyd has two Sweet 16 appearances and a first-round knockout in his three previous showings with Arizona. Anything is on the table here. At 16.6 points per game, Caleb Love is in his swan song as a college player. He's been pretty good this season, flanked by two guys who will ultimately determine how far Arizona goes: sophomore guard KJ Lewis (10.9 ppg) and junior guard Jaden Bradley (11.8 ppg).
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I recommend that Arizona run it's ordinary offense to start, and get lots of good shots. When our offense is working, most of our shots come in the paint already! And, I expect we dominate the boards, too.AzCatFan2 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:43 am Akron vs. Arizona looks like a classic mid-major versus P1 tournament game. Arizona has the size and athleticism, but Akron is scrappy and plays a lot of guys that aren't afraid to shoot from the outside. I'd like to see us run everything through Awaka to start. Unless the shot is an open dunk or lay-up, Tobe should touch the ball every half court possession to start the game. Try and establish the paint is ours and force the Zips to double team or foul.
What we can't do is get in a 3-point shooting contest with these guys. We just aren't a great shooting team. And with our size, when we are on D, we need to try and force them off the line and take contested 2-point shots.
If adjustments are needed, let the game action determine them.
IMNSHO, Akron to the teams that needs to "adjust", not Arizona...
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The Athletic's take on Arizona's first NCAA opponent...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/618229 ... Id=9651934
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/618229 ... Id=9651934
Akron - Brad Evans
Outlook: The wonderfully bone-polished dome of head coach John Groce once again is in the NCAA Tournament. Throughout the season, Akron received multiple ‘As’ on offense. In its 34-game entirety, it ranks No. 31 nationally in effective field-goal percentage offense, scoring 55.8 percent inside the arc and 36.6 percent outside of it. In fact, over 38 percent of its points came on equalizers. Tavari Johnson, Shammah Scott, Sharron Young, Bowen Hardman and Isaiah Gray each converted at least 36.5 percent from the perimeter. Prolific. Over the final 10 games of the regular season, the Zips didn’t exactly zap the competition on D, slotting outside the top 180 in effective field-goal percentage defense. At No. 361 in effective height, formidable frontcourts can bully them. However, given Akron’s plus depth, arc execution and bouncy offensive glass energy, it’s hardly a “gross” double-digit seed. Ba-dum-tss!
Record: 28-6 (17-1 MAC)
Coach: John Groce (4-5 in NCAA Tournament)
Player to watch: Nate Johnson (MAC Player of the Year)
Numbers
- BetMGM title odds: +100000
- Sweet 16 projected chance: 3.7%
- Final Four projected chance: 0.07%
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Just got back to Mesa after spending 4 days in Kansas City attending the Big12 tournament.
I attended every Pac12 tournament held in Las Vegas from 2012 up until last year.
Comparing the two venues and tournaments the BIG12 tournament was superior to the PAC12 tournament in the following ways:
1) The concessions people did not confiscate the caps from water bottles (which they did in Las Vegas)
2) We were not subjected to the obnoxious, 130 decibels of DJ Roueche
In every other way the Las Vegas site is vastly superior to Kansas City (and its not even close).
The first sign that downtown KC is not exactly a vacation hot spot came when I asked the front desk receptionist at my hotel for a recommendation for a good BBQ joint in down town KC near TMobile. He replied that he doesn't go down there anymore due to the frequent violent assaults and property crimes. He strongly advised having BBQ anywhere other than KC proper. He steered us to an establishment called Joes BBQ quite a ways south of downtown KC. He also advised parking in a specific parking garage just west of TMobile because they have "lots of security guards". I took his advice although it cost me $120 for a 3 day pass. Having driven through downtown KC 3 times late at night I can state that the area is "sketchy" at best. Fortunately the KC police had a very heavy presence immediately around TMobile each day of the tournament.
I did generally enjoy most of my stay there (The Cats played in every game). I visited the Truman Presidential library and spent one evening at the Ameristar Casino. Getting around the KC area can be challenging, even with GPS. The town is Tri-Sected into 3 parts by the Kansas/Missouri rivers and the state line meanders through KC. The freeway exits are marked and numbered differently once you cross the state line (and they are not consistent). A large number of the highway signs are so old that the lettering is unrecognizable. Many exits do not have a corresponding exit/on ramp on the opposite side of the freeway. In general the road system resembles the bloodshot eye of a cow, which is appropriate because KC is an old cattle town.
They really should consider moving the tournament to Vegas.
I attended every Pac12 tournament held in Las Vegas from 2012 up until last year.
Comparing the two venues and tournaments the BIG12 tournament was superior to the PAC12 tournament in the following ways:
1) The concessions people did not confiscate the caps from water bottles (which they did in Las Vegas)
2) We were not subjected to the obnoxious, 130 decibels of DJ Roueche
In every other way the Las Vegas site is vastly superior to Kansas City (and its not even close).
The first sign that downtown KC is not exactly a vacation hot spot came when I asked the front desk receptionist at my hotel for a recommendation for a good BBQ joint in down town KC near TMobile. He replied that he doesn't go down there anymore due to the frequent violent assaults and property crimes. He strongly advised having BBQ anywhere other than KC proper. He steered us to an establishment called Joes BBQ quite a ways south of downtown KC. He also advised parking in a specific parking garage just west of TMobile because they have "lots of security guards". I took his advice although it cost me $120 for a 3 day pass. Having driven through downtown KC 3 times late at night I can state that the area is "sketchy" at best. Fortunately the KC police had a very heavy presence immediately around TMobile each day of the tournament.
I did generally enjoy most of my stay there (The Cats played in every game). I visited the Truman Presidential library and spent one evening at the Ameristar Casino. Getting around the KC area can be challenging, even with GPS. The town is Tri-Sected into 3 parts by the Kansas/Missouri rivers and the state line meanders through KC. The freeway exits are marked and numbered differently once you cross the state line (and they are not consistent). A large number of the highway signs are so old that the lettering is unrecognizable. Many exits do not have a corresponding exit/on ramp on the opposite side of the freeway. In general the road system resembles the bloodshot eye of a cow, which is appropriate because KC is an old cattle town.
They really should consider moving the tournament to Vegas.
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The vast majority of the other fanbases beat a hasty retreat out of KC the moment their team lost. This was the first year in some time that KU/Kansas State/Iowa state were all eliminated from the tournament quickly. As a result the venue depopulated very quickly. The final game between UA/Houston resembled a PAC12 tournament final without the UA in it. The gym was largely empty. The end zone upper decks had only a few people. The center court upper decks were probably 20% full. In the lower bowl the end zone seats were about 30% full and even the center court sections had numerous empty rows. I don't know what the paid attendance was but the place was obviously less than 50% full. There were probably 300-400 UA fans (at best) and even less Houston fans.dirtbags wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:11 pmnice! some friends highly recommended LC's and jack stack for bbq, and said garozzo's was some of the best italian food he's ever had (from a guy who grew up in jersey!). there's also a free tram that'll take you down to another area near the river with more food and nightlife options.dmjcat wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:52 pmI felt good AFTER it ended. The UA fans were outnumbered probably 10,000 to 300/400 and the UA played 8 on 5 for the 1st half as the Zebras tried to keep Kansas in it. I was surprised that the Refs stopped calling the ticky-tack stuff on us the 2nd half.Alieberman wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:06 pmLike I said… felt pretty good with the rematchdmjcat wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:19 amI certainly don't welcome the rematch.Alieberman wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:01 am I don't like how this team is trending right now... but I do welcome a rematch with Kansas
We have to play Kansas at what amounts to Allen Fieldhouse East. Its 42 miles from their campus and they will have 10,000+
fans in the crowd. They have also played numerous games at T-Mobile so they are very familiar with the rims/depth perception.
We have no answer for Hunter Dickinson. CTL can't coach Awaka to be 4 inches taller or Veesaar to be 30 pounds heavier by next thursday. Its just a bad matchup for us.
It was nice watching the Chickenhawk fans glumly filing out of the arena with a minute left in the game. I have been getting some dirty looks from folks wearing Kansas attire this morning. Now if you will excuse me I am off to Joes BBQ before the Tech game.
also, i think we expected to see ku fans outnumber the arizona fans, but what was your feel for the other folks in the crowd? either jeffries or espn (or maybe it heard it on socials, idk) said something about a good chunk of fans of other teams were sticking around to watch the game and root against kansas.
I can see, however, how the Big12 tourney is usually packed. KU/KSU/IS are in easy driving distance, and when one of those teams play the venue is packed with their fans.
The one fanbase that did show up in force (from out of town) was BYU. I was surprised at the number of their fans that were willing to lay out +1000$ for airfare and show up to support their team. If the tourney is ever moved to Vegas we will be fighting the BYU fanbase for tickets.
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I rarely agree with Machina, but we are all in sync on this. Why does Arizona have to be the one to adjust? Like someone posted above, Akron is quite short: At No. 361 in effective heightpc in NM wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:47 am IMNSHO, Akron to the teams that needs to "adjust", not Arizona...
This is going to be the real concern. UA can't trade 2s for 3s.
Tavari Johnson, Shammah Scott, Sharron Young, Bowen Hardman and Isaiah Gray each converted at least 36.5 percent from the perimeter.
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We should be feasting on the FT line vs Akron
Drive, drive, drive.....
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This is a game where Awaka should feast. He struggles against team with superior height. Akron is not that team. Feed him early and let either Akron double or foul. Because 1-1, I don't think Akron has anyone that can hand with Tobe's size and strength down low. And while Awaka isn't the best FT shooter, his % is up to 67.3%, and shooting FT's allows us to set up our half court D.Merkin wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:45 amI rarely agree with Machina, but we are all in sync on this. Why does Arizona have to be the one to adjust? Like someone posted above, Akron is quite short: At No. 361 in effective heightpc in NM wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:47 am IMNSHO, Akron to the teams that needs to "adjust", not Arizona...
This is going to be the real concern. UA can't trade 2s for 3s.
Tavari Johnson, Shammah Scott, Sharron Young, Bowen Hardman and Isaiah Gray each converted at least 36.5 percent from the perimeter.
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AZCatGirl wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:11 amSo why would moving it to Vegas suddenly make Kansas and Iowa State fans not sell their tickets? Why would it being in Vegas make people want to buy them? Or why would the resale tickets suddenly be worth more? Your logic doesn't make sense. The location isn't going to suddenly make the tickets more valuable because anyone that cared already bought tickets.PHXCATS wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:56 amHoly shitAZCatGirl wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:13 am So tickets can be just as cheap because no one cares about pointless conference tournaments? Great plan.
The Big12 stans said it couldn't move because fans cared so much. They clearly don't if Kansas and Iowa State aren't involved.
They have nothing else
I agree that KU/ISU (or whatever fanbase) selling tickets is not the point, and certainly should not be a factor for deciding where to hold a conference tournament.
When deciding where to hold the Big12 tournament (which as you correctly point out is locked into KC through 2031) Yomark should consider the following primary factors:
1) Where does the bulk of the Big12 fanbase want to hold it?? (not just KU/ISU fans).
2) Which site has the best financial bid?? After all, this is all about money and the Big12 is a 2nd tier conference.
3) Where does the Big12 get the most media exposure??
#1 is easy. Outside of the KU/KSU/ISU/OSU fanbases all of the other schools fan generally fly in. And those that have to fly is would almost all prefer to attend a tourney in Vegas. I spoke to a large number of opposing teams fanbases while in KC. The Houston fans (the few that showed up) and the TTech fans all told me they would attend every year if it were held in Vegas. The KU/ISU fans had a far different opinion. One group of KU fans that I spoke to in a sports bar in the Ameristar Casino told me that the tourney had to stay in KC forever because: 1) We invented basketball 2) Its our birthright 3) Its always held here 4) We want our money spent locally at Big12 businesses, not Las Vegas which isn't Big12 country. Note: When I replied and told them that Missouri was SEC country now (Mizzou is in the SEC) they literally bit my head off.........LOL. At the end of the day I suspect that 12 of the 16 fanbases would rather hold the tournament anywhere but KC.
I suspect #2 is easy too. The Las Vegas convention bureau is very competitive (thats why so many conventions/tournaments are held there). The casinos know that if 15,000 fans show up and blow $2000 each on food/gambling they will make an easy $30 million. Knowing that, the Casinos kick back sufficient funds to Las Vegas to make very attractive bids for things like basketball tournaments.
#3 is also easy. Las Vegas is the gambling & sports Mecca of the United States. The Big12 will get more expose in Vegas than they ever will in Cowtown.
Hopefully Yomark figures that out before the 2031 contract with KC expires.
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I feel like in past years my concern would have been if a team at a size disadvantage would go to some kind of exotic zone, but we’ve shown this year that we can beat matchup, 1-3-1, and 2-3 zones with only slight adjustments to our motion offense.AzCatFan2 wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:59 amThis is a game where Awaka should feast. He struggles against team with superior height. Akron is not that team. Feed him early and let either Akron double or foul. Because 1-1, I don't think Akron has anyone that can hand with Tobe's size and strength down low. And while Awaka isn't the best FT shooter, his % is up to 67.3%, and shooting FT's allows us to set up our half court D.Merkin wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:45 amI rarely agree with Machina, but we are all in sync on this. Why does Arizona have to be the one to adjust? Like someone posted above, Akron is quite short: At No. 361 in effective heightpc in NM wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:47 am IMNSHO, Akron to the teams that needs to "adjust", not Arizona...
This is going to be the real concern. UA can't trade 2s for 3s.
Tavari Johnson, Shammah Scott, Sharron Young, Bowen Hardman and Isaiah Gray each converted at least 36.5 percent from the perimeter.
If they get super hot and bury 20 three pointers then yeah, our chances of winning go way down. But if we can anticipate and disrupt their perimeter passing it’s going to be very tough for them to create their own shot off the dribble and may have to rely on step-back 32-35 footers which no one except Steph Curry hits at a high percentage.
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Please blast this on every social media platformdmjcat wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:21 am Just got back to Mesa after spending 4 days in Kansas City attending the Big12 tournament.
I attended every Pac12 tournament held in Las Vegas from 2012 up until last year.
Comparing the two venues and tournaments the BIG12 tournament was superior to the PAC12 tournament in the following ways:
1) The concessions people did not confiscate the caps from water bottles (which they did in Las Vegas)
2) We were not subjected to the obnoxious, 130 decibels of DJ Roueche
In every other way the Las Vegas site is vastly superior to Kansas City (and its not even close).
The first sign that downtown KC is not exactly a vacation hot spot came when I asked the front desk receptionist at my hotel for a recommendation for a good BBQ joint in down town KC near TMobile. He replied that he doesn't go down there anymore due to the frequent violent assaults and property crimes. He strongly advised having BBQ anywhere other than KC proper. He steered us to an establishment called Joes BBQ quite a ways south of downtown KC. He also advised parking in a specific parking garage just west of TMobile because they have "lots of security guards". I took his advice although it cost me $120 for a 3 day pass. Having driven through downtown KC 3 times late at night I can state that the area is "sketchy" at best. Fortunately the KC police had a very heavy presence immediately around TMobile each day of the tournament.
I did generally enjoy most of my stay there (The Cats played in every game). I visited the Truman Presidential library and spent one evening at the Ameristar Casino. Getting around the KC area can be challenging, even with GPS. The town is Tri-Sected into 3 parts by the Kansas/Missouri rivers and the state line meanders through KC. The freeway exits are marked and numbered differently once you cross the state line (and they are not consistent). A large number of the highway signs are so old that the lettering is unrecognizable. Many exits do not have a corresponding exit/on ramp on the opposite side of the freeway. In general the road system resembles the bloodshot eye of a cow, which is appropriate because KC is an old cattle town.
They really should consider moving the tournament to Vegas.
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Thanks dmj for your objective posts on conference location, rather than feelings.
Wholeheartedly agree
Wholeheartedly agree
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I always worry playing scrappy little mid-major teams...
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As a longtime AZ fan... I (rightfully) worry about everyone.EastCoastCat wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:14 pm I always worry playing scrappy little mid-major teams...
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I worry about every game also
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If any team gets hot from the outside they can beat anyone no matter the spread. Look no further than Oakland vs Kentucky last year and our boy TT.
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yes, i appreciate dmj's firsthand accounts on the tournament. one anecdote to add, i've heard that a number of ku fans are kinda bored with having the tournament in kc? i figured it was an easy trip and they loved playing in AFH east, but it sounds like some are ready for a change of scenery. this was a few years ago, so who knows if the sentiment has grown or dissipated - maybe fuegs can chime in with his thoughts once his busy season is over.CalStateTempe wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:43 am Thanks dmj for your objective posts on conference location, rather than feelings.
Wholeheartedly agree
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Yeah, there's an AI-generated bracket that says after we beat Akron, Liberty beats Oregon, so all is well. (But then, Liberty beats us.)TheCat wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:35 pm If any team gets hot from the outside they can beat anyone no matter the spread. Look no further than Oakland vs Kentucky last year and our boy TT.
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The East Sweet 16 will be held 30 minutes away from where I'm working next week.
Just sayin...
Just sayin...
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nice. it might've been fun if the 'cats were slotted out west and played at the chase center in sf - but it was not meant to be. oh well, seattle's not so bad. also espn is showing me an 11:35pm tip-off on friday, which is kind of weird. the game is at 4:30, right?EastCoastCat wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 2:22 pm The East Sweet 16 will be held 30 minutes away from where I'm working next week.
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We are playing Thursday at 430 I believe
Edit- I just checked - it now says Friday at 4:30... weird I had heard yesterday that the game was Thursday
Edit- I just checked - it now says Friday at 4:30... weird I had heard yesterday that the game was Thursday
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thanks ari - weird stuff with the websites. cbs is giving me weird times too, like a 2am tipoff for the msu game.


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I think it's Friday at 430.
I know yesterday cbs was showing Friday on the bracket and Thursday on the bottom scroll.
I know yesterday cbs was showing Friday on the bracket and Thursday on the bottom scroll.
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Are those all GMT?
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Dear CBS stans, you do one sporting event per year. Figure it out.
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If you go to the NCAA site it clearly shows Friday at 5:35 MDT
https://www.ncaa.com/march-madness-live/game/220
Also UA site says 4:35 PT
https://arizonawildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball
https://www.ncaa.com/march-madness-live/game/220
Also UA site says 4:35 PT
https://arizonawildcats.com/sports/mens-basketball