2017 Non-Arizona game thread

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:34 am

Wow, ended up 37-3. Looks like Cal has a football coach

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:05 am

azcat49 wrote:Wow, ended up 37-3. Looks like Cal has a football coach

Cal's D had 9 sacks and caused 7 TO's. . .

(on the gripping hand an over aggressive D can be a god send to a rush oriented O like say. . .the 'Cats. )

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:06 am

This looked familiar.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:28 am

Upset Friday!

Two Top 10 undefeated teams go down - that probably hasn't happened on a Friday before.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:45 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:27 pm

These Florida unis are awful.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:49 pm

What is going on in Tempe tonight?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:08 pm

The Husky kicker has missed from 27 yards and 21 yards.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:10 pm

Well let's hope UDub can score twice in the 4th. Shocked Peterson didn't go for it on 4th and 1

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:11 pm

No confidence in the O tonight: UW has 53 rushing yards this game and is lucky only to be down two TDs.

If the Huskies do lose, they should hold open tryouts for a new placekicker next week.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:12 pm

Going to be so mad if ASU wins this game

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:24 pm

Browning looks like he's completely forgotten how to QB

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:25 pm

The fuck. That goes for the whole State of Washington and the pac12

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:25 pm

How the hell is ASU pitching a shutout?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:27 pm

This might knock the PAC out of the playoffs.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:28 pm

azgreg wrote:This might knock the PAC out of the playoffs.

That's what I was thinking. Wsu lost, USC has lost, Stanford has 2 losses

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:41 pm

Good no call. Both were fighting equally for a ball that was thrown up as a prayer

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:46 pm

ASU D looks gassed

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:48 pm

Wristbands gonna choke? Need a nice long drive here

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:50 pm

Dave Pasch saying how kickers are the most stressed players, getting death threats if they miss, etc. Literally while he's saying that, camera is on the UW kicker, with a graphic including his name and the stat that the last time a top-5 team's kicker missed two 30-yard or less kicks was the Boise State kid a few years ago.

Pasch is great, and ESPN is so stupid

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:56 pm

Incomplete pass. Why throw it?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:04 pm

That was an awful injury

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:08 pm

MrBug708 wrote:That was an awful injury

I'm not going to rewind to see it again, but was that a Kevin Ware type injury?

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:09 pm

Also, wtf is Wilkins doing? Wait 5 seconds before kneeling (which was unnecessary), and then he's barking at the UW guys trying to get to him. Take a knee like a normal QB and there's no problem.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:09 pm

prh wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:That was an awful injury
I'm not going to rewind to see it again, but was that a Kevin Ware type injury?

Similar. Bones went in directions they dont normally do. They didnt show the replay that would have shown it better, thankfully. I dont even know how it quite happened

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:11 pm

First top 5 win in 21 years

waysouthcat · Post by **waysouthcat** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:19 pm

Lets hope this win propels Coach Britney to a well-deserved contract extension.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:53 pm

prh wrote:Also, wtf is Wilkins doing? Wait 5 seconds before kneeling (which was unnecessary), and then he's barking at the UW guys trying to get to him. Take a knee like a normal QB and there's no problem.

It was necessary. There was something like 1:56 when they started kneeling. Needed to stay on his feet a few extra seconds to be able to burn the clock in 3 downs. The coaches were telling him to delay before taking the knee.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:09 am

Wow, congrats to ASU, seriously! #Pac12AfterDark

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:05 am

waysouthcat wrote:Lets hope this win propels Coach Britney to a well-deserved contract extension.

I was in favor of an extension for Graham last week (and the week before that, etc) and am in favor of an extension for him today.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:46 pm

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
waysouthcat wrote:Lets hope this win propels Coach Britney to a well-deserved contract extension.
I was in favor of an extension for Graham last week (and the week before that, etc) and am in favor of an extension for him today.

Enjoying mediocrity, huh?

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:37 pm

Chicat wrote:
Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
waysouthcat wrote:Lets hope this win propels Coach Britney to a well-deserved contract extension.
I was in favor of an extension for Graham last week (and the week before that, etc) and am in favor of an extension for him today.
Enjoying mediocrity, huh?

Nah. Just believe the whole cycling out a coach every 4-5 years in hopes of finding the next great coach is a fools errand. Grahams failures come down to two distinct factors, both of which are fixable. One, he had two bad years of recruiting defensive backs. ASU was in on some top-tier DB's late but fell just short, and Graham didn't have a back up plan. The worst pass defense in NCAA is a direct reflection of that failure. Two, he has had unprecedented coaching turnover two years in a row. To his credit, his coaches on offense have all gotten nice promotions (take a look at his offensive coaching tree, its actually quite impressive.

Since Graham arrived, ASU football has been successful in the classroom (program currently holds a 3.0 GPA), recruiting is greatly improved, fundraising and University support is at unprecedented levels, and even with the last couple of years Graham has been one of the winningest coaches in program history. The current team has shown clear improvement week to week, and the coordinators are starting to settle in. For the first time Graham is taking on more of a CEO approach and letting his coaches coach.

Graham is not Ray Anderson's hire though. So Graham will have to finish strong to keep his job. That said, I would absolutely extend him for the reasons listed above.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:41 pm

I fully support a lifetime contract for Fraud Graham.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:14 pm

I wonder if Blake Barnett is happy he transferred to asu? Manny Wilkins is actually not a bad qb and I can't see Graham benching him. I guess Barnett can only hope Manny gets hurt to see the field.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:35 pm

Bill Moos to Nebraska is kinda weird to me.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:04 pm

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:21 am

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
prh wrote:Also, wtf is Wilkins doing? Wait 5 seconds before kneeling (which was unnecessary), and then he's barking at the UW guys trying to get to him. Take a knee like a normal QB and there's no problem.
It was necessary. There was something like 1:56 when they started kneeling. Needed to stay on his feet a few extra seconds to be able to burn the clock in 3 downs. The coaches were telling him to delay before taking the knee.

40 second play clock, 1st down, no timeouts. Nice try but learn how football works.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:25 pm

So, Cal fans rush the field after their upset of the Cougars and the school gets a $25,000 fine, but ASSu fans rush the field after their upset of the Dogs (after waiting approx 60 seconds) and get nothing. makes perfect sense.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:26 pm

If the conference or ncaa are involved it'll never make sense

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:17 pm

prh wrote:
Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
prh wrote:Also, wtf is Wilkins doing? Wait 5 seconds before kneeling (which was unnecessary), and then he's barking at the UW guys trying to get to him. Take a knee like a normal QB and there's no problem.
It was necessary. There was something like 1:56 when they started kneeling. Needed to stay on his feet a few extra seconds to be able to burn the clock in 3 downs. The coaches were telling him to delay before taking the knee.
40 second play clock, 1st down, no timeouts. Nice try but learn how football works.

Woops, I was thinking of the 35 second shot clock when doing the math. Anyways, Wilkins delaying the knee basically burned an extra 5 seconds off the clock. Add those 5 seconds back in, and there is a 4 second difference between end of game and turnover on downs. With an upset of that magnitude on the line I am not sure what the issue with burning a few extra seconds is.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:18 pm

azgreg wrote:So, Cal fans rush the field after their upset of the Cougars and the school gets a $25,000 fine, but ASSu fans rush the field after their upset of the Dogs (after waiting approx 60 seconds) and get nothing. makes perfect sense.

I read somewhere that because the UW players were off the field before the fans rushed it was permissible according to the conference.

prh · Post by **prh** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:10 pm

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
prh wrote:
Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
prh wrote:Also, wtf is Wilkins doing? Wait 5 seconds before kneeling (which was unnecessary), and then he's barking at the UW guys trying to get to him. Take a knee like a normal QB and there's no problem.
It was necessary. There was something like 1:56 when they started kneeling. Needed to stay on his feet a few extra seconds to be able to burn the clock in 3 downs. The coaches were telling him to delay before taking the knee.
40 second play clock, 1st down, no timeouts. Nice try but learn how football works.
Woops, I was thinking of the 35 second shot clock when doing the math. Anyways, Wilkins delaying the knee basically burned an extra 5 seconds off the clock. Add those 5 seconds back in, and there is a 4 second difference between end of game and turnover on downs. With an upset of that magnitude on the line I am not sure what the issue with burning a few extra seconds is.

Have you ever watched an NFL game? I don't understand how you still don't get it. 2:00 minute warning in NFL makes it easy. A 1st down, at 2:00, with no timeouts, means you can take 3 knees and be done. 40 seconds burn after the first knee (2:00 - 2 seconds for the knee - 39 = 1:19), 40 seconds burn after the 2nd knee (1:19 - 2 - 39 = 0:38), and then 38 seconds end the game after the 3rd knee. And that's generous, since there's usually a couple extra seconds between the play ending and the 40 starting.

And the "issue" was that he was being an idiot and then barking at Cal about it, when it was unnecessary. But I guess he probably suffers math issues similar to you.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:20 am

prh wrote:
Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
prh wrote:
Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
prh wrote:Also, wtf is Wilkins doing? Wait 5 seconds before kneeling (which was unnecessary), and then he's barking at the UW guys trying to get to him. Take a knee like a normal QB and there's no problem.
It was necessary. There was something like 1:56 when they started kneeling. Needed to stay on his feet a few extra seconds to be able to burn the clock in 3 downs. The coaches were telling him to delay before taking the knee.
40 second play clock, 1st down, no timeouts. Nice try but learn how football works.
Woops, I was thinking of the 35 second shot clock when doing the math. Anyways, Wilkins delaying the knee basically burned an extra 5 seconds off the clock. Add those 5 seconds back in, and there is a 4 second difference between end of game and turnover on downs. With an upset of that magnitude on the line I am not sure what the issue with burning a few extra seconds is.
Have you ever watched an NFL game? I don't understand how you still don't get it. 2:00 minute warning in NFL makes it easy. A 1st down, at 2:00, with no timeouts, means you can take 3 knees and be done. 40 seconds burn after the first knee (2:00 - 2 seconds for the knee - 39 = 1:19), 40 seconds burn after the 2nd knee (1:19 - 2 - 39 = 0:38), and then 38 seconds end the game after the 3rd knee. And that's generous, since there's usually a couple extra seconds between the play ending and the 40 starting.

And the "issue" was that he was being an idiot and then barking at Cal about it, when it was unnecessary. But I guess he probably suffers math issues similar to you.

This is PAC 12 officiating we are talking about here. Technically you are right, there was just enough time to burn through the clock in 3 downs. But even if Manny took a single second between snap and knee, that leaves a 5 second difference between end of regulation and turnover on downs. Would you risk leaving it to PAC 12 officiating to not somehow fuck up 5 seconds? The coaches told him to slow down. Here is what it looks like if he hikes and takes a knee in one second:

1st down
1:56 - ball snapped
1:55 - Wilkins takes a knee
2nd down
- 39 seconds
1:16 - ball snapped
1:15 - Wilkins takes a knee
3rd down
-39 seconds
0:36 - ball snapped
0:35 - Manny takes a knee

The coaches told Wilkins to slow it down. Instead of kneeling in one second he took 2-3 seconds to kneel, basically taking that 5 second buffer and making it 10 seconds. You may think it was classless, just realize it was the coaches not Wilkins who chose to burn a few extra seconds.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:18 pm

How bad is UCLA defensively?

Kyle Bonagura‏Verified account @BonaguraESPN
UCLA is allowing 6.57 yards per rush this season. In the last 14 years, no Power 5 program has allowed more. 2nd worst: 6.17 ypc.
And the Bruins are allowing 313.0 rushing yards per game. The 2nd worst mark by a Power 5 team since 2004 is 279.9 ypg.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:23 pm

MrBug708 wrote:How bad is UCLA defensively?

Kyle Bonagura‏Verified account @BonaguraESPN
UCLA is allowing 6.57 yards per rush this season. In the last 14 years, no Power 5 program has allowed more. 2nd worst: 6.17 ypc.
And the Bruins are allowing 313.0 rushing yards per game. The 2nd worst mark by a Power 5 team since 2004 is 279.9 ypg.

So what's the deal? Is it as simple as Mora has checked out?

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:39 pm

No it's all because arizona is an all time team and ucla just can't compete with our stunning talent. Per machina.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:01 am

SCCats wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:How bad is UCLA defensively?

Kyle Bonagura‏Verified account @BonaguraESPN
UCLA is allowing 6.57 yards per rush this season. In the last 14 years, no Power 5 program has allowed more. 2nd worst: 6.17 ypc.
And the Bruins are allowing 313.0 rushing yards per game. The 2nd worst mark by a Power 5 team since 2004 is 279.9 ypg.
So what's the deal? Is it as simple as Mora has checked out?

Archaic scheme as well

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:22 am

This is probably the best I've seen Texas play defense all year. Looks like the kids are starting to get Tom Herman's stuff.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:04 pm

Uhhh anyone see the end of regulation for Iowa Northwestern? Pat Fitzgerald had a minute and 2 timeouts on his own 30 and didn't even try to score. Just let it go to OT

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:36 pm

Utah can't so anything against ASSu. They have 65 yards of offense halfway thru the 2nd qtr.

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