'17/18 Polls

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:38 pm

84Cat wrote:It's all good. Gives our guys a reason to play with a chip on their shoulders. Us vs the world. Nasty is required

+1

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:57 am

Chicat wrote:Douglas Doughty at the Roanoke Times had us 18th last week and dropped us to 23rd this week.

You can find him at @doughtysports if you’d like to write him a love note.

Apparently this doughty character has a history of ridiculous/insane ballots.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:01 am

I think certain people are just trolling us. Certain analysts love to F with our fanbase, we have all seen it for years. What better way to troll Arizona fans than to use their typical games, as well as one of the only times in history that our hated rival actually has a good team. We have a rep of being a 2nd tier program with a whining fan base, even though our complaints about bias are almost always justified.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:08 am

Voters: http://collegepolltracker.com/basketbal ... dcats/2017" target="_blank

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:09 am

PieceOfMeat wrote:
Chicat wrote:Douglas Doughty at the Roanoke Times had us 18th last week and dropped us to 23rd this week.

You can find him at @doughtysports if you’d like to write him a love note.
Apparently this doughty character has a history of ridiculous/insane ballots.

His whole ballot is ridiculous. The AP should enact some standards as far as who gets a vote.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:54 pm

Kansas about to get their 3rd loss, two at home. We should be ahead of them if we win.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:57 pm

SunnyAZ wrote:Kansas about to get their 3rd loss, two at home. We should be ahead of them if we win.

There’s still 4 minutes left in that game.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:24 pm

Chicat wrote:
SunnyAZ wrote:Kansas about to get their 3rd loss, two at home. We should be ahead of them if we win.
There’s still 4 minutes left in that game.

The whole time I was watching it seemed like TTech had control, felt confident in that prediction.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:19 am

I love watching KU suffer too , but it should be noted that Texas Texh is legit this year. Like FF ceiling legit.

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:16 am

PennZona20 wrote:I love watching KU suffer too , but it should be noted that Texas Texh is legit this year. Like FF ceiling legit.

They beat Kansas at Allen Field house. They must be great. Move them up to No. 3 Next week. Final four contender.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:34 am

SunnyAZ wrote:
Chicat wrote:
SunnyAZ wrote:Kansas about to get their 3rd loss, two at home. We should be ahead of them if we win.
There’s still 4 minutes left in that game.
The whole time I was watching it seemed like TTech had control, felt confident in that prediction.

And you were right. I thought for sure you put the jinx on it.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:03 am

No. 17

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll" target="_blank

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:06 am

#14

Asu #16

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll" target="_blank

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:52 am

AZ is once again the highest ranked team with the same number of losses (4). It is interesting that NC of the vaunted ACC is 15th with 4 losses.

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:09 am

#11 AP this week. Just behind UNC and in front of OU.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:17 am

An unranked Kentucky brings a tear of joy to my eye.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:22 am

Voters must have really valued UNC’s win at home over Clemson to move them ahead of us, despite the fact we swept on the road.

And to make the ACC echo chamber complete, they moved Clemson up two spots despite losing to UNC.

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:34 am

btfd16 wrote:An unranked Kentucky brings a tear of joy to my eye.

Between Duke getting Zion and the Florida loss hours later, their message board is literally on fire.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:38 am

Literally?

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:40 am

yes...the server blew up, and somehow the flames got onto the screen.

On.

Fire.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:42 am

DiehardDave37 wrote:AZ is once again the highest ranked team with the same number of losses (4). It is interesting that NC of the vaunted ACC is 15th with 4 losses.

That flipped this week

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:25 am

Chicat wrote:Voters must have really valued UNC’s win at home over Clemson to move them ahead of us, despite the fact we swept on the road.

And to make the ACC echo chamber complete, they moved Clemson up two spots despite losing to UNC.

To be fair, UNC also beat a Notre Dame team that just lost it's two star players. They also have wins over Michigan and Ohio State, and while those wins are from when those teams were not very good and still figuring out their season - those teams are now good and the "voters don't remember context" property applies.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:31 am

Our guys deserve a ton of credit for not unraveling after the Bahamas. They’re right where they need to be. Win the Pac 12 reg season title, reach the final of the Pac tourney, and we’re gonna be in great shape seed-wise.

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:40 am

It's too bad A&M has pretty much collapsed, that win would look better on the resume right now. Asu still looks solid on paper. Lets see how much they continue to slid.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:44 am

Chicat wrote:Voters must have really valued UNC’s win at home over Clemson to move them ahead of us, despite the fact we swept on the road.

And to make the ACC echo chamber complete, they moved Clemson up two spots despite losing to UNC.

Noticed that. And I still don't get the love for St. Mary's and Gonzaga. That conference is trash. Other than BYU, every team in the WCC is comparable to Cal & Wazzu.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:50 am

St. Mary's is a good team and program, or are you forgetting last year?

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:07 am

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:46 am

Where are duke unc and Kansas?

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:14 am

Dook stayed at #4, KU to #7, UNC #19. Asu still ranked at #25.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:22 pm

Olsondogg wrote:St. Mary's is a good team and program, or are you forgetting last year?

It's not that I don't think they're solid teams. It's just that their conference is garbage. Every team other than St. Mary's, Gonzaga and BYY could not finish higher than Cal in the PAC 12. And Cal is dreadful. Imagine playing an entire conference schedule and only have to worry about 3-4 games.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:51 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Where are duke unc and Kansas?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... y-back-in/" target="_blank

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:47 pm

Before upset Saturday, Duke was #4, KU#7 and Arizona #9.

Duke lost to an absolutely putrid St. John's team that had lost 11 in a row.

Kansas lost at home to a decent Oklahoma State team.

Arizona lost on the road at the buzzer to a decent UW team.

It will be telling to see which team is punished more by the voters. My gut tells me we'll slip to 12 or 13. Duke will slide one spot, perhaps two at the most. And Kansas will slip two spots behind Cincy & Texas Tech.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:52 pm

zonagrad wrote:Before upset Saturday, Duke was #4, KU#7 and Arizona #9.

Duke lost to an absolutely putrid St. John's team that had lost 11 in a row.

Kansas lost at home to a decent Oklahoma State team.

Arizona lost on the road at the buzzer to a decent UW team.

It will be telling to see which team is punished more by the voters. My gut tells me we'll slip to 12 or 13. Duke will slide one spot, perhaps two at the most. And Kansas will slip two spots behind Cincy & Texas Tech.

I'll be shocked if we don't get punished the most.

WildHolcs · Post by **WildHolcs** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:59 am

DOok will prob fall 2 spots, jaycocks will prob fall 2. We'll def fall behind auburn and TT, and if it's the typical east coast media BS where 90% of them didn't watch the game they drop us behind ST marys and zags, which would be garbage. Should be 11, but could be 13.

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:02 am

Well if we had any impressive wins we probably wouldn't be punished as hard in the polls. These other teams at least have beat some ranked teams.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:42 pm

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -top-five/" target="_blank

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:44 pm

If you say the PAC is less than stellar how do you explain Kansas? Just such B.S.. Good thing is it doesn't matter as you have to beat 6 good teams in March. If you are the best it will come out

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:19 am

#13 in the AP Poll released today

Only PAC-12 team ranked

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:20 am

PieceOfMeat wrote:
zonagrad wrote:Before upset Saturday, Duke was #4, KU#7 and Arizona #9.

Duke lost to an absolutely putrid St. John's team that had lost 11 in a row.

Kansas lost at home to a decent Oklahoma State team.

Arizona lost on the road at the buzzer to a decent UW team.

It will be telling to see which team is punished more by the voters. My gut tells me we'll slip to 12 or 13. Duke will slide one spot, perhaps two at the most. And Kansas will slip two spots behind Cincy & Texas Tech.
I'll be shocked if we don't get punished the most.

Be prepared to be shocked boy. Duke drops 5, UA 4, KU 3

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:24 am

Does anyone think the Pac is being legitimately screwed in the polls, or does the conference deserve this treatment? I do recall ASU and UW beating Kansas, UCLA beating UK, and ASU also beating Xavier. So based on the "eye test," yes, the league is down a little. But just how little is hard to say. I think our top 4 teams would do just fine against teams currently ranked 15-25 in the nation.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:23 pm

PHXCATS wrote: Be prepared to be shocked boy. Duke drops 5, UA 4, KU 3

You really want to talk to others like that with all the bitching you do about how people talk to you?

Actually, that fits right in with who you are machina.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:30 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote: Be prepared to be shocked boy. Duke drops 5, UA 4, KU 3
You really want to talk to others like that with all the bitching you do about how people talk to you?

Actually, that fits right in with who you are machina.

Ok POM. Boy was not meant as an insult but jump to conclusions.

Any way you slice it UA wasn't dropped as much as Duke so enjoy if you want or dont

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:59 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote: Be prepared to be shocked boy. Duke drops 5, UA 4, KU 3
You really want to talk to others like that with all the bitching you do about how people talk to you?

Actually, that fits right in with who you are machina.

Ok POM. Boy was not meant as an insult but jump to conclusions.

Don't try to walk it back. Own your words.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:01 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote: Be prepared to be shocked boy. Duke drops 5, UA 4, KU 3
You really want to talk to others like that with all the bitching you do about how people talk to you?

Actually, that fits right in with who you are machina.

Ok POM. Boy was not meant as an insult but jump to conclusions.
Don't try to walk it back. Own your words.

I am. I meant nothing by it but your attitude is making me wish I did

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:05 pm

At least he didn't use the "n" word in a non-derogatory way.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:39 pm

I'm convinced 75% of the pollsters basically see the Pac 12 & the WCC on the same level. In reality, one is a weaker power 5 conference and the other is a mid-major conference (barely) that's annually top heavy with Gonzaga and St. Mary's. So if Gonzaga or St. Mary's beat a 6th or 7th place team in the WCC, it's basically taken by 75% of the pollsters as equal to Arizona beating a Stanford, Oregon or ASU.

The reality is, outside of BYU, Gonzaga and St. Mary's, the rest of the WCC went 1-7 against the Pac 12 this year. The WCC's top 3 went 3-1 vs. the Pac 12. St. Mary's, the top team in the WCC, went 1-1 against..... Cal & Washington State, the two weakest teams by far in the Pac. Gonzaga beat UW & BYU beat Utah.

So, Gonzaga & St. Mary's sit artificially in the polls in the top 15. The only challenges on their schedule are games against each other. But it's nearly impossible for any Pac 12 teams to make a move in the polls at this point in the season unless it's at the expense of Arizona. USC, USC, UCLA and UW will not climb into the top unless they can claim a scalp from Arizona. And as the voters proved this week with UW, even that wasn't good enough despite their win at Kansas.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:26 am

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:39 am

Right behind St. Mary's... whose best NonConf win is hosting New Mexico St. and who has more games OUTSIDE of the top 200 than games inside of the top 100. And to go one step deeper... New Mexico St has played more Division II teams than they have wins over teams within the top 100. To be fair, St. Mary's also has a home win over Utah, a team that is barely over .500 in the Pac-12.

It's fine. Win and it's not a problem. @ASU next.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:43 am

NCAA college basketball polls are spanish league soccer it’s not so much if you win but if you “look” good doing it.

For shame.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:54 am

YoDeFoe wrote:Right behind St. Mary's... whose best NonConf win is hosting New Mexico St. and who has more games OUTSIDE of the top 200 than games inside of the top 100. And to go one step deeper... New Mexico St has played more Division II teams than they have wins over teams within the top 100. To be fair, St. Mary's also has a home win over Utah, a team that is barely over .500 in the Pac-12.

It's fine. Win and it's not a problem. @ASU next.

We need to start treating each game like the postseason. A slow start could be fatal vs. ASU. I'll be curious to see the spread on this game. My guess: AZ -1

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