Why can't we consistently fill AZ Stadium?

Post by **UAdevil** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:43 am

That's because more give a shit about bball. I'll sacrifice more time and money for bball as it's a more enjoyable experience. Period.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:46 am

PHXCATS wrote:Where is all the complaining for the basketball game times? At UCLA 8pm, at Cal 8:30pm , at Stanford 9pm and especially at home, when the game will end after every football home game has ended in all likelihood, home vs Baylor at 9pm

Um...daylight savings? Which Arizona doesn’t honor. Or are those times PST?

For the record I’ve bitched about the start times for BB and FB equally and you continue to tell those of us who do to pound sand cause that’s what the networks want/dictate apparently.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:49 am

CalStateTempe wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Where is all the complaining for the basketball game times? At UCLA 8pm, at Cal 8:30pm , at Stanford 9pm and especially at home, when the game will end after every football home game has ended in all likelihood, home vs Baylor at 9pm
Um...daylight savings? Which Arizona doesn’t honor. Or are those times PST?

For the record I’ve bitched about the start times for BB and FB equally and you continue to tell those of us who do to pound sand cause that’s what the networks want/dictate apparently.

All times mentioned are Arizons time

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:49 am

And for the record...I’ll be at both the furd and cal games making the drive to the Bay Area twice RT over three days (2.5 hrs each way)

Why? Because the experience is better than watching on tv, it’s relatively local for me, and the team isn’t dog shit. So attending is a good use of my time and money.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:50 am

PHXCATS wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Where is all the complaining for the basketball game times? At UCLA 8pm, at Cal 8:30pm , at Stanford 9pm and especially at home, when the game will end after every football home game has ended in all likelihood, home vs Baylor at 9pm
Um...daylight savings? Which Arizona doesn’t honor. Or are those times PST?

For the record I’ve bitched about the start times for BB and FB equally and you continue to tell those of us who do to pound sand cause that’s what the networks want/dictate apparently.
All times mentioned are Arizons time

Lol...yeah one hour ahead of start time in California due to day light savings. We are on pacific time those months.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:07 pm

I can drive to an 8 pm tip bb game in Tucson, watch it till the final buzzer, and still be home by 10:30, 3 hours max (and we don't suck). An 8 pm kickoff for football means even I would have to dedicate from about 5:30 pm to at least midnight (to watch a team that sucks).

BB would win every time.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:12 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:I can drive to an 8 pm tip bb game in Tucson, watch it till the final buzzer, and still be home by 10:30, 3 hours max (and we don't suck). An 8 pm kickoff for football means even I would have to dedicate from about 5:30 pm to at least midnight (to watch a team that sucks).

BB would win every time.

How much of that time would be post game message boarding?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:16 pm

730 Game for Oregon/Homecoming

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:46 pm

PHXCATS wrote:730 Game for Oregon/Homecoming

Is that the amount of sold tickets?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:48 pm

Alieberman wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:730 Game for Oregon/Homecoming
Is that the amount of sold tickets?

With our fans I wouldnt doubt it

blackjacker · Post by **blackjacker** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:30 am

PHXCATS wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:730 Game for Oregon/Homecoming
Is that the amount of sold tickets?

With our fans I wouldnt doubt it

You need to accept the fact that nobody cares. In public places when there is a UA football game on, half the time the TV's are set to baseball or any other sporting event. Only winning and the media attention associated with winning will change this, and no, it's not "if we come, they will build it."

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:02 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Alieberman wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:730 Game for Oregon/Homecoming
Is that the amount of sold tickets?

With our fans I wouldnt doubt it

Should be rephrased to...with this team I wouldn't doubt it.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:01 am

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:22 am

LOL at Machina dying on the dumbest hill imaginable.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:00 am

The Growing Problem Of College Football Attendance

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/2 ... i2CIr99RZo" target="_blank

NFL too:

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:00 am

Merkin wrote:The Growing Problem Of College Football Attendance

https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/2 ... i2CIr99RZo" target="_blank

Most important stat of this whole article:

In 2017, attendance numbers were down substantially over 2016 numbers. The Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) saw its largest year over year drop in 35 years. In fact, the SEC, which is known for possibly the most fanatical fans in all of college football saw its attendance drop by just over 3%. Unfortunately, that doesn’t even tell the entire story.

The Wall Street Journal decided to go even a step further. They had a goal to look at the number of scanned tickets against the reported attendance. The results were fascinating. Only 71% of the reported announced attendance actually scanned their ticket to enter the stadium.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:35 pm

football becoming boxing 2.0 or horse racing 2.0...only old farts with bets on the games actually watching..shit, does Floyd Mayweather have any eligibility, maybe we can make him QB, nobody can touch him.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:50 pm

NASCAR too for that matter although I don't think I have ever seen a NASCAR race ever. Maybe in the 1960s.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davecaldwe ... 9efbb71df5" target="_blank

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:01 pm

UALoco wrote:football becoming boxing 2.0 or horse racing 2.0...only old farts with bets on the games actually watching..shit, does Floyd Mayweather have any eligibility, maybe we can make him QB, nobody can touch him.

He’d be worse then tate the way he avoided match ups.

Should’ve scheduled paquio in his prime:

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:15 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:35 pm

They're at the Cardinals game.

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:45 pm

azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.

That was a mistake

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:12 pm

azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.

Even if there wasn't a Cardinals game there wouldn't be that many more people there.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:22 am

azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.

ASU seriously time-slotted one of their home games against a Cardinals Thursday game? How stupid?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:42 am

CatsbyAZ wrote:
azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.
ASU seriously time-slotted one of their home games against a Cardinals Thursday game? How stupid?

Abu didn't. MSPN and Larry Scott did though

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:03 am

PHXCATS wrote:
CatsbyAZ wrote:
azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.
ASU seriously time-slotted one of their home games against a Cardinals Thursday game? How stupid?
Abu didn't. MSPN and Larry Scott did though

And fans have to eat the shit sandwich their given rather than vote with their feet/wallet right?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:13 am

CalStateTempe wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
CatsbyAZ wrote:
azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.
ASU seriously time-slotted one of their home games against a Cardinals Thursday game? How stupid?
Abu didn't. MSPN and Larry Scott did though
And fans have to eat the shit sandwich their given rather than vote with their feet/wallet right?

You want to give the Fox and MSPN money back? The 3 Billion?

As for the team it isnt hard to understand except to fair weather fans. Fans at the games equals money from ticket sales, concessions and donations. Money equals better facilities and coach availability (HC and assistants). Better facilities and coaching equals better chances at better recruiting. Better recruiting usually means more wins.

So by not showing up you are making it much harder to fix the issues to get to more wins.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:19 am

I think your argument is a great description of the fallacy of sunk costs.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:04 pm

CatsbyAZ wrote:
azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.
ASU seriously time-slotted one of their home games against a Cardinals Thursday game? How stupid?

Actually, the NFL slotted that one after the PAC scheduled this game. This time it’s not the conference’s fault.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:28 pm

I think the crowd should be good for homecoming vs Oregon

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:50 pm

azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.

Are there enough rabid fans that go to both team's games? Anecdotally speaking, most football fans I know are rabid about college or the NFL, but not both although they keep an interest up in the other.

Raiders Fans for an example, do any of them follow a single college football team? Raiders fan where I live try to portray themselves as living the scary thug life, but are just a bunch of good guys in your neighborhood who hang out together. They sit on their cars, drink Coors Lite, and shoot the shit all night, or play pool if one has one in his garage.

Rams fans are the middle class soccer dads who have a nice tract home and has a huge Rams tent and under it a very nice pellet smoker, with stainless cutting tables with all sorts of cutting tools. 2 beer chests, one domestic, one craft brew.

There no NFL teams within 200 miles or so. The nearest college, Cal Poly is 40 miles from my house,

All I see is NFL flags, Raiders, Rams, and some guy in my hood has a Bears flag. No college flags anywhere.

The most college logos I see are the window stickers on car windows like the Oregon U going up or down the 101.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:31 pm

That was a great read Merk. Just thought I would mention that

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:36 pm

Merkin wrote:
azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.

Are there enough rabid fans that go to both team's games? Anecdotally speaking, most football fans I know are rabid about college or the NFL, but not both although they keep an interest up in the other.

With UA being shitty, my interest level in college football is practically nil.

Why would I invest anything at all into what is essentially a slave/master economy, especially if there’s no chance of something that results in even the semblance of a personal payoff?

I’m supposed to spend time and money watching some poor kid from the wrong side of the tracks develop CTE so some coach can rake in millions? Why??? I have enough of a problem with that when the guy sustaining multiple head injuries is getting paid.

I find myself disliking football more and more. But at least the NFL guys are earning a paycheck and my team has a shot at something resembling a glorious outcome.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:38 pm

Amen Chi........as always!!!

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:53 pm

Chi

I am truly sorry at one point in my life we did not get along. When I read your posts, these are the thoughts that go through my brain

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:19 am

Newportcat wrote:Chi

I am truly sorry at one point in my life we did not get along.

I am too. Especially since it was because I was an ass.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:33 am

Merkin wrote:
azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.
Are there enough rabid fans that go to both team's games?

Most of the season ticket holders I know here in Phoenix have both Cardinals and ASU season tickets.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:44 am

Chicat wrote:and my team has a shot at something resembling a glorious outcome.

I grew up in Michigan and was a huge Lion's fan for decades.

If there is a franchise that can compare to the Browns in futility, it's the Lions.

No SuperBowl appearances, similar to UA's no Rose Bowls.'

I sure pick losers.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:56 am

azgreg wrote:
Merkin wrote:
azgreg wrote:They're at the Cardinals game.
Are there enough rabid fans that go to both team's games?
Most of the season ticket holders I know here in Phoenix have both Cardinals and ASU season tickets.

I have been to almost every Cardinals game since State Farm Stadium opened. While the Cardinals being awful plays a huge role, there were more Denver fans than any visiting team before at the stadium. Have to figure asu playing the same night war a huge factor. Unless it was Bears vs Cardinals at the stadium if UA and Cardinals played the same night I would be at the UA game

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:49 pm

azcat49 wrote:That was a great read Merk. Just thought I would mention that

I agree.

I would just like to point out that I've been a Rams fan since 94 and I'm no soccer dad!!

But I was pretty much forced to be a fan (being that I was all of 5 years old) because I had a family friend play for them and I practically watched every game. Obviously 1999-2001 peaked my interest the most. I guess I'm not as rabid as I used to be, but there have been some tough years smacked in between this one. 7-0 feels good, especially with UofA being terrible.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:28 pm

cats101 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:That was a great read Merk. Just thought I would mention that
I agree.

I would just like to point out that I've been a Rams fan since 94 and I'm no soccer dad!!

But I was pretty much forced to be a fan (being that I was all of 5 years old) because I had a family friend play for them and I practically watched every game. Obviously 1999-2001 peaked my interest the most. I guess I'm not as rabid as I used to be, but there have been some tough years smacked in between this one. 7-0 feels good, especially with UofA being terrible.

I've always been a bit curious how being a fan of a team that jumps cities works.

Like If you were a LA Rams fan back in the day, did you stop that when they moved to st. louis, and then become a fan again when they moved back to LA?

Or if you were a st. louis rams fan only, do you still root for them now that they're in LA?

Just interesting to me how this dynamic plays out among people. I don't know that I'd be a Bears fan if, for example, they moved to Boise.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:37 pm

My youngest son lives in San Diego, and although not a football fan, he said that the Chargers' fans in SD were extremely upset when they moved to LA.

But where I live in central Cali, I haven't heard anyone complain about the Raiders moving to Las Vegas. Perhaps it all depends if you live in the city where the team is located. Of course Oakland fans are probably used to it.

From here, LV is probably a lot funner destination than Oakland.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:54 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:
cats101 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:That was a great read Merk. Just thought I would mention that
I agree.

I would just like to point out that I've been a Rams fan since 94 and I'm no soccer dad!!

But I was pretty much forced to be a fan (being that I was all of 5 years old) because I had a family friend play for them and I practically watched every game. Obviously 1999-2001 peaked my interest the most. I guess I'm not as rabid as I used to be, but there have been some tough years smacked in between this one. 7-0 feels good, especially with UofA being terrible.
I've always been a bit curious how being a fan of a team that jumps cities works.

Like If you were a LA Rams fan back in the day, did you stop that when they moved to st. louis, and then become a fan again when they moved back to LA?

Or if you were a st. louis rams fan only, do you still root for them now that they're in LA?

Just interesting to me how this dynamic plays out among people. I don't know that I'd be a Bears fan if, for example, they moved to Boise.

I was an LA Rams fan. Season tickets with my dad from ‘83-‘88. When Georgia fucking Frontiere intentionally destroyed the team and then claimed she couldn’t make it work in LA so she could get a sweetheart deal in St. Louis, I was heartbroken and vowed to never cheer for them again.

That didn’t last. I still loved the NFL and couldn’t bring myself to pick up a new team to follow. Living in NY at the time, I sort of followed the Giants and Jets, but it wasn’t the same. I had no connection to their history and really just didn’t care enough. So I still rooted for the Rams, even though they broke my heart.

But the Rams didn’t get better in St. Louis right away, so my fandom waned further. Then ‘99 happened and that all changed. They were so exciting and so fun to watch that I stopped caring what city they had in front of their name.

When they went back to being shitty, once again it became hard to care. Baseball and basketball took most of my attention, and the NFL stopped being must-see TV for me. But at the same time I had hope that a shitty team in a shitty dome in a shitty city might inspire the powers that be to move them back to LA. I had been dreaming of that since around 2003.

So when they finally announced that was exactly the plan, I was ecstatic. And I still am. They may have played in Cleveland, and they may have played in St. Louis, but to me, to 7 year old Chicat, they’ll always be the Los Angeles Rams. It is as it was meant to be.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:58 pm

Chicat wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
cats101 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:That was a great read Merk. Just thought I would mention that
I agree.

I would just like to point out that I've been a Rams fan since 94 and I'm no soccer dad!!

But I was pretty much forced to be a fan (being that I was all of 5 years old) because I had a family friend play for them and I practically watched every game. Obviously 1999-2001 peaked my interest the most. I guess I'm not as rabid as I used to be, but there have been some tough years smacked in between this one. 7-0 feels good, especially with UofA being terrible.
I've always been a bit curious how being a fan of a team that jumps cities works.

Like If you were a LA Rams fan back in the day, did you stop that when they moved to st. louis, and then become a fan again when they moved back to LA?

Or if you were a st. louis rams fan only, do you still root for them now that they're in LA?

Just interesting to me how this dynamic plays out among people. I don't know that I'd be a Bears fan if, for example, they moved to Boise.
I was an LA Rams fan. Season tickets with my dad from ‘83-‘88. When Georgia fucking Frontiere intentionally destroyed the team and then claimed she couldn’t make it work in LA so she could get a sweetheart deal in St. Louis, I was heartbroken and vowed to never cheer for them again.

That didn’t last. I still loved the NFL and couldn’t bring myself to pick up a new team to follow. Living in NY at the time, I sort of followed the Giants and Jets, but it wasn’t the same. I had no connection to their history and really just didn’t care enough. So I still rooted for the Rams, even though they broke my heart.

But the Rams didn’t get better in St. Louis right away, so my fandom waned further. Then ‘99 happened and that all changed. They were so exciting and so fun to watch that I stopped caring what city they had in front of their name.

When they went back to being shitty, once again it became hard to care. Baseball and basketball took most of my attention, and the NFL stopped being must-see TV for me. But at the same time I had hope that a shitty team in a shitty dome in a shitty city might inspire the powers that be to move them back to LA. I had been dreaming of that since around 2003.

So when they finally announced that was exactly the plan, I was ecstatic. And I still am. They may have played in Cleveland, and they may have played in St. Louis, but to me, to 7 year old Chicat, they’ll always be the Los Angeles Rams. It is as it was meant to be.

Thanks Chi, I find that a very interesting read.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:03 pm

Thanks POM. I should add that living in Chicago, I did pick up an affinity for the Bears. I’ve been to a bunch of games, and there was even a game when I was at Soldier Field, actively rooting against the Rams. It was weird, but at the time it felt right. Now though, I couldn’t imagine it.

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:47 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:
cats101 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:That was a great read Merk. Just thought I would mention that
I agree.

I would just like to point out that I've been a Rams fan since 94 and I'm no soccer dad!!

But I was pretty much forced to be a fan (being that I was all of 5 years old) because I had a family friend play for them and I practically watched every game. Obviously 1999-2001 peaked my interest the most. I guess I'm not as rabid as I used to be, but there have been some tough years smacked in between this one. 7-0 feels good, especially with UofA being terrible.
I've always been a bit curious how being a fan of a team that jumps cities works.

Like If you were a LA Rams fan back in the day, did you stop that when they moved to st. louis, and then become a fan again when they moved back to LA?

Or if you were a st. louis rams fan only, do you still root for them now that they're in LA?

Just interesting to me how this dynamic plays out among people. I don't know that I'd be a Bears fan if, for example, they moved to Boise.

I think it depends on the person. For me, when they made the first switch I was too young to notice or care. When they made the switch back to LA, I though it would bode well for the franchise, but I was worried if LA would support a football team, let alone 2 (Chargers). I also consider myself a loyal person, so my loyalty goes with the Rams, regardless of what state they're in. Maybe it's the memories, tradition, brand, logo ect. Not really the same as college sports, where typically only alumni and the locals support that program. Professional teams tend to have fans from all over. I, to this day, have never been to a Rams games in St. Louis, but a few at the Cardinal stadium.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:12 pm

cats101 wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
cats101 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:That was a great read Merk. Just thought I would mention that
I agree.

I would just like to point out that I've been a Rams fan since 94 and I'm no soccer dad!!

But I was pretty much forced to be a fan (being that I was all of 5 years old) because I had a family friend play for them and I practically watched every game. Obviously 1999-2001 peaked my interest the most. I guess I'm not as rabid as I used to be, but there have been some tough years smacked in between this one. 7-0 feels good, especially with UofA being terrible.
I've always been a bit curious how being a fan of a team that jumps cities works.

Like If you were a LA Rams fan back in the day, did you stop that when they moved to st. louis, and then become a fan again when they moved back to LA?

Or if you were a st. louis rams fan only, do you still root for them now that they're in LA?

Just interesting to me how this dynamic plays out among people. I don't know that I'd be a Bears fan if, for example, they moved to Boise.
I think it depends on the person. For me, when they made the first switch I was too young to notice or care. When they made the switch back to LA, I though it would bode well for the franchise, but I was worried if LA would support a football team, let alone 2 (Chargers). I also consider myself a loyal person, so my loyalty goes with the Rams, regardless of what state they're in. Maybe it's the memories, tradition, brand, logo ect. Not really the same as college sports, where typically only alumni and the locals support that program. Professional teams tend to have fans from all over. I, to this day, have never been to a Rams games in St. Louis, but a few at the Cardinal stadium.

Very interesting, thanks

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:52 pm

Chicat wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
cats101 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:That was a great read Merk. Just thought I would mention that
I agree.

I would just like to point out that I've been a Rams fan since 94 and I'm no soccer dad!!

But I was pretty much forced to be a fan (being that I was all of 5 years old) because I had a family friend play for them and I practically watched every game. Obviously 1999-2001 peaked my interest the most. I guess I'm not as rabid as I used to be, but there have been some tough years smacked in between this one. 7-0 feels good, especially with UofA being terrible.
I've always been a bit curious how being a fan of a team that jumps cities works.

Like If you were a LA Rams fan back in the day, did you stop that when they moved to st. louis, and then become a fan again when they moved back to LA?

Or if you were a st. louis rams fan only, do you still root for them now that they're in LA?

Just interesting to me how this dynamic plays out among people. I don't know that I'd be a Bears fan if, for example, they moved to Boise.
I was an LA Rams fan. Season tickets with my dad from ‘83-‘88. When Georgia fucking Frontiere intentionally destroyed the team and then claimed she couldn’t make it work in LA so she could get a sweetheart deal in St. Louis, I was heartbroken and vowed to never cheer for them again.

That didn’t last. I still loved the NFL and couldn’t bring myself to pick up a new team to follow. Living in NY at the time, I sort of followed the Giants and Jets, but it wasn’t the same. I had no connection to their history and really just didn’t care enough. So I still rooted for the Rams, even though they broke my heart.

But the Rams didn’t get better in St. Louis right away, so my fandom waned further. Then ‘99 happened and that all changed. They were so exciting and so fun to watch that I stopped caring what city they had in front of their name.

When they went back to being shitty, once again it became hard to care. Baseball and basketball took most of my attention, and the NFL stopped being must-see TV for me. But at the same time I had hope that a shitty team in a shitty dome in a shitty city might inspire the powers that be to move them back to LA. I had been dreaming of that since around 2003.

So when they finally announced that was exactly the plan, I was ecstatic. And I still am. They may have played in Cleveland, and they may have played in St. Louis, but to me, to 7 year old Chicat, they’ll always be the Los Angeles Rams. It is as it was meant to be.

Chicat, you grow up in Orange County?

My dad grew up in LA and was a life long die hard Rams fan. He used to tell my stories about the fearsome foursome and how Jack Youngblood played in a game with a broken leg. Growing up in Orange County, we used to go to Rams preseason practices at UCI and still have pictures with Jackie Slater, Henry Ellard, Flipper Anderson, Kevin Greene, and Jim "Chris" Everett". Actually still even have a wrist band he gave me. My dad and I would go to 1-2 games every year and it is probably some of the most memorable times I remember with him growing up as my mom and him divorced when I was young so wasnt around a ton. But he loved the Rams and I became hooked as well.

Then that fucking bitch Georgia Fronterie (Who mind you got the team because she had her husband killed. A world class swimmer drowning in like 18 inches of water in Florida?) moved them to St. Louis. My dad has threatened to find her grave and piss on it for years. When she died he sent me probably the most positive and happy email I have ever seen from him. Ripped his and my heart out to see them leave and then of course they go and win a super bowl like 5 years later after so many years of losing to the 49er's in the playoffs.

Outside of fantasy football, I really had no connection to the NFL as my team left me. I gave up the rams when they left. When they came back it was like the girl who cheated on you for someone you knew was not going to work out showing up on your doorstep saying "I am back and love you again".

I know they are good now but obviously I have been working to quit being a fan and just can not bring myself to cheer for them. Growing up Lakers were #1 but Rams were a close second. I have thought about taking my dad to a playoff game this year and surprising him and maybe that will change things. I guess to me its like if the Arizona Wildcats left Tucson. I will never forget the phone call from my dad after they left, it honestly sounded like a family member of his had died. He could not believe they left.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:31 pm

Newportcat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
cats101 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:That was a great read Merk. Just thought I would mention that
I agree.

I would just like to point out that I've been a Rams fan since 94 and I'm no soccer dad!!

But I was pretty much forced to be a fan (being that I was all of 5 years old) because I had a family friend play for them and I practically watched every game. Obviously 1999-2001 peaked my interest the most. I guess I'm not as rabid as I used to be, but there have been some tough years smacked in between this one. 7-0 feels good, especially with UofA being terrible.
I've always been a bit curious how being a fan of a team that jumps cities works.

Like If you were a LA Rams fan back in the day, did you stop that when they moved to st. louis, and then become a fan again when they moved back to LA?

Or if you were a st. louis rams fan only, do you still root for them now that they're in LA?

Just interesting to me how this dynamic plays out among people. I don't know that I'd be a Bears fan if, for example, they moved to Boise.
I was an LA Rams fan. Season tickets with my dad from ‘83-‘88. When Georgia fucking Frontiere intentionally destroyed the team and then claimed she couldn’t make it work in LA so she could get a sweetheart deal in St. Louis, I was heartbroken and vowed to never cheer for them again.

That didn’t last. I still loved the NFL and couldn’t bring myself to pick up a new team to follow. Living in NY at the time, I sort of followed the Giants and Jets, but it wasn’t the same. I had no connection to their history and really just didn’t care enough. So I still rooted for the Rams, even though they broke my heart.

But the Rams didn’t get better in St. Louis right away, so my fandom waned further. Then ‘99 happened and that all changed. They were so exciting and so fun to watch that I stopped caring what city they had in front of their name.

When they went back to being shitty, once again it became hard to care. Baseball and basketball took most of my attention, and the NFL stopped being must-see TV for me. But at the same time I had hope that a shitty team in a shitty dome in a shitty city might inspire the powers that be to move them back to LA. I had been dreaming of that since around 2003.

So when they finally announced that was exactly the plan, I was ecstatic. And I still am. They may have played in Cleveland, and they may have played in St. Louis, but to me, to 7 year old Chicat, they’ll always be the Los Angeles Rams. It is as it was meant to be.
Chicat, you grow up in Orange County?

Downey. So, pretty much South Central, but it was actually a rose in a toilet bowl in the 80s. If you could avoid the Night Stalker, it was a pretty nice neighborhood and just close enough to the entertainment options in Orange County.

I know how your dad felt when the Rams left. I felt the same way when they moved, and when they traded Eric Dickerson. I told people that I didn’t stop being a fan, the Rams decided they didn’t want to be my team anymore.

Post by **UAdevil** » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:11 pm

Grad school buddy of mine grew up in Downey in the 80s. He always said it was a bit of a hole, but he had fond memories.

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