The 2019-2020 Season Thread

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:16 pm

TucsonClip wrote:
Spain PNR

I believe we finally busted out a Spain PNR, if I saw it correctly. (was jotting down some notes, so take a look for me)

With 1:20 left in the 1H, you will see the first Spain PNR I recall us running this year. Nico ends up setting the back screen for Zeke, as Nico comes back up top of the key to get the ball. I don’t think we scored though.

For those wondering, a Spain PNR is a set made popular by the Spanish national team, which was then adopted by every team in the NBA. The gist of it is, instead of a regular ball screen, a guard/wing (in this case Nico) steps in from the wing to set a back screen for the big after the initial middle ball screen action. This allows the big to dive to the block and get great position off a back screen, or for the screener to then come off a hand off with the guard running the screen action for an open three, top of the key.

Was able to find a link for a replay. This actually wasn't Spain PNR, it was part of our chest series for Zeke.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:16 pm

I'm starting to think a heavy Western State Final Four is not impossible this year...Gonzaga is probably actually the best team in the country now...but there are some heavy hitters in the West in general...East coast is gonna beat itself up like it always does...the Zags, BYU, SDSU, not to mention the Pac 12 where there is a ton of experience ready to roll into the tournament...hopefully the committee doesn't stack the teams in favor of Duke and the East Coa...wait...what am I thinking...it'll be the same ol' same ol'...thanks NCAA for nothing.

TheCat · Post by **TheCat** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:04 pm

Don't forget Baylor (south West). To me they are the best team in the country.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:29 pm

CatFanOneMil wrote:I'm starting to think a heavy Western State Final Four is not impossible this year...Gonzaga is probably actually the best team in the country now...but there are some heavy hitters in the West in general...East coast is gonna beat itself up like it always does...the Zags, BYU, SDSU, not to mention the Pac 12 where there is a ton of experience ready to roll into the tournament...hopefully the committee doesn't stack the teams in favor of Duke and the East Coa...wait...what am I thinking...it'll be the same ol' same ol'...thanks NCAA for nothing.

I think BYU sucks. And SDSU is solid but hasn’t played anyone other than Creighton and Iowa. Not exactly a who’s who. Mt. West is weak.

St.Marys could be an upset team with Jordan Ford.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:34 pm

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:06 pm

Wel, well. Look who is in first place in the B1G, Illinois. That win looks better and better everyday. Telling you if we can get some confidence on the road the ceiling for this team is very high!!

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:42 pm

azcat49 wrote:Wel, well. Look who is in first place in the B1G, Illinois. That win looks better and better everyday. Telling you if we can get some confidence on the road the ceiling for this team is very high!!

Agree 100%. Big game tonight, imo. Feels like a fork in the road. One path is the first road win and wind at our backs heading up to Washington. The other is yet another road loss with two harder road games next week.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:08 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Feels like a fork in the road.

More like a trident.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:14 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Feels like a fork in the road.
More like a trident.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:55 pm

gotta get this game

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:33 pm

97cats wrote:gotta get this game

All the more because it's getting crowded atop the Pac standings. Many teams hanging in there. We gotta keep pace.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:31 pm

oggoazcats · Post by **oggoazcats** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:33 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:

Don’t think there’s a more fitting .gif about this year AND Miller

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:33 pm

another quality road loss for the march resume

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:36 pm

Has to be the worst half basketball an Arizona team has ever played. Just complete garbage.

Dosia · Post by **Dosia** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:40 pm

Another choke. Well on to next week

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:41 pm

You cant lose that game.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:42 pm

Terrible. Sorta felt it coming too. This team is the worst road team Miller’s had.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:45 pm

We were out toughed tonight. This team needs to play with more heart and passion if they want to win on the road and in March.

Post by **UAdevil** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:48 pm

I'm done. Wake me on Selection Sunday.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:51 pm

I haven't been this pissed in a very long time. This team has zero leadership.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:53 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:another quality road loss for the march resume

Lol.

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:54 pm

Silly/sloppy turnovers and nicos foul trouble killed us

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:56 pm

UAdevil wrote:I'm done. Wake me on Selection Sunday.

You think we’re dancing at the moment?

Wake me on red blue game 2020.

I’m a bad fan because I canceled the Friday the nccas Are in sac and schedule other things during cats games. I’I gonna go skiing instead of going to the Stanford game.

We relatively suck that bad and are coached that poorly relative to our talent.

Yup, I’m a bad fan.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:58 pm

That feeling when you are almost through January and still don't have a true road win :X

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:03 pm

UAdevil wrote:I'm done. Wake me on Selection Sunday.

The NIT selection?

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:03 pm

So PAC regular season title hopes effectively over after six conference games. That’s nice.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:24 pm

Just got back home from that miserable abortion of a game.

I have left Wells Fargo Arena/Sun Devil Stadium before after a loss.......but this may have been the worst.

I haven''t seen any stats yet but it felt like we had 30 turnovers.

At this point, assuming we have no more bad losses (which is probably wishful thinking) we split the remaining 3 road trips and find a way to beat 2 out of 3 of UW/USC/UO at home (and win the rest of the home games). That would give us 10 losses and a 9/10 seed. If we get swept on one of the remaining 3 road trips (or lose 2 at home) we are on the BUBBLE. Its late January and we have no road wins and a whopping one Quad 1 win. Please, no more fantasies from the fanboys about a top 4 seed. Its not happening.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:50 pm

It’s frustrating that Green can disappear for long stretches.
Then he is 0-7 and is the guy driving for last shot.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:31 am

dmjcat wrote:Just got back home from that miserable abortion of a game.

I have left Wells Fargo Arena/Sun Devil Stadium before after a loss.......but this may have been the worst.

I haven''t seen any stats yet but it felt like we had 30 turnovers.

At this point, assuming we have no more bad losses (which is probably wishful thinking) we split the remaining 3 road trips and find a way to beat 2 out of 3 of UW/USC/UO at home (and win the rest of the home games). That would give us 10 losses and a 9/10 seed. If we get swept on one of the remaining 3 road trips (or lose 2 at home) we are on the BUBBLE. Its late January and we have no road wins and a whopping one Quad 1 win. Please, no more fantasies from the fanboys about a top 4 seed. Its not happening.

You are so incredibly wrong about the seeding

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:34 am

So all this happened during the game

Miller benching Hazard
Miller using TOs to early
Miller coaching a total dud
Manion foul trouble
Green's worst game by far
Not getting the ball to Nnaji
Awful officiating
Martin getting really hot for a while
Miller giving the momentum to asu before half
Missed FTs

All of this happened, most teams in the country would lose by double digits even with a big lead earlier. What happened to U of A on Saturday night? Lose by 1

It is sad and wrong to be giving up on the team and the coach at this time

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:54 am

Well Machina, except that ASU is a shitty team, and a loss is still a loss whether it's by 1 or 100. Remember ASU losing to St. Mary's by 40 points?

A little surprised you didn't bring up that home court advantage is usually a 3.5 point advantage, so UA technically won by 2.5 points.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:57 am

Ahh, the enfuego-style technical win. Someone update Sean Miller’s Wikipedia page.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:02 am

PHXCATS wrote:So all this happened during the game

Miller benching Hazard
Miller using TOs to early
Miller coaching a total dud
Manion foul trouble
Green's worst game by far
Not getting the ball to Nnaji
Awful officiating
Martin getting really hot for a while
Miller giving the momentum to asu before half
Missed FTs

All of this happened, most teams in the country would lose by double digits even with a big lead earlier. What happened to U of A on Saturday night? Lose by 1

It is sad and wrong to be giving up on the team and the coach at this time

Imagine trying to polish a turd by saying "well the turd could've been stinkier, all it needs is more fiber"

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:07 am

If I know anything about Sean Miller it’s that he LOVES moral victories.

Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. We LOST. There’s no equivocation in Sean’s mind about that, and he wouldn’t expect us to excuse it with lame crap like, “well, even though everything went wrong we still only lost by one...”

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:34 am

Merkin wrote:Well Machina, except that ASU is a shitty team, and a loss is still a loss whether it's by 1 or 100. Remember ASU losing to St. Mary's by 40 points?

A little surprised you didn't bring up that home court advantage is usually a 3.5 point advantage, so UA technically won by 2.5 points.

Yes a loss is a loss but the point is so much when wrong for U of A on Saturday and it was only a one point loss. There is far too much emotional overreaction

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:37 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:So all this happened during the game

Miller benching Hazard
Miller using TOs to early
Miller coaching a total dud
Manion foul trouble
Green's worst game by far
Not getting the ball to Nnaji
Awful officiating
Martin getting really hot for a while
Miller giving the momentum to asu before half
Missed FTs

All of this happened, most teams in the country would lose by double digits even with a big lead earlier. What happened to U of A on Saturday night? Lose by 1

It is sad and wrong to be giving up on the team and the coach at this time
Imagine trying to polish a turd by saying "well the turd could've been stinkier, all it needs is more fiber"

It isn't about the L on Saturday. It is about UA still being good and a lot more wins will be coming soon

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:37 am

Merkin wrote:Well Machina, except that ASU is a shitty team, and a loss is still a loss whether it's by 1 or 100. Remember ASU losing to St. Mary's by 40 points?

A little surprised you didn't bring up that home court advantage is usually a 3.5 point advantage, so UA technically won by 2.5 points.

Home court advantage for this team is more like 19.5, so we won by 18.5!

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:24 am

I HATE AsuckU...that being said they will surprise quite a few teams moving on through the season...Remy Martin can be explosive and take over games and is almost impossible to guard...I really expect them to sweep the next few road trips and make the tournament.

People way underestimate senior level leadership in this years basketball climate...I think you can basically predict the distance a team will go based on the experience/talent of the point guard this year...

When Mannion sits (and our bench PG plays restrained) we absolutely lose momentum...and I noticed that the second half it was pretty much Dylan Smith guarding Remy all the time...Mannions lack of experience vs Remy should have been covered by Baker and Hazzard, instead they were sloppy...no way to win against asu with 18 turn overs I don't care who the team is...hell a bad team being handed the ball 18 times has the chance to throw up anywhere from 20-30 points depending on the percentage of shots made...

We will get better...but so will ASU and they are not a team to ignore when they get hot.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:55 am

PHXCATS wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Just got back home from that miserable abortion of a game.

I have left Wells Fargo Arena/Sun Devil Stadium before after a loss.......but this may have been the worst.

I haven''t seen any stats yet but it felt like we had 30 turnovers.

At this point, assuming we have no more bad losses (which is probably wishful thinking) we split the remaining 3 road trips and find a way to beat 2 out of 3 of UW/USC/UO at home (and win the rest of the home games). That would give us 10 losses and a 9/10 seed. If we get swept on one of the remaining 3 road trips (or lose 2 at home) we are on the BUBBLE. Its late January and we have no road wins and a whopping one Quad 1 win. Please, no more fantasies from the fanboys about a top 4 seed. Its not happening.
You are so incredibly wrong about the seeding

Where precisely do you believe I am wrong???? Go back and look at the seeding for the 2019 NCAA tourney. Teams with 10 losses and a poor Quad 1 record ended up around 9/10th in the seeding

Do you think my W/L projection for the rest of the season is unreasonable?? Do you think we are going to start sweeping road trips?? Given that we haven't won a single road game this year I think my road split scenario is actually somewhat optimistic.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:57 am

I like to look at the positives.

At least we are pissing off Illinois each time we choke away a game.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:07 pm

dmjcat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Just got back home from that miserable abortion of a game.

I have left Wells Fargo Arena/Sun Devil Stadium before after a loss.......but this may have been the worst.

I haven''t seen any stats yet but it felt like we had 30 turnovers.

At this point, assuming we have no more bad losses (which is probably wishful thinking) we split the remaining 3 road trips and find a way to beat 2 out of 3 of UW/USC/UO at home (and win the rest of the home games). That would give us 10 losses and a 9/10 seed. If we get swept on one of the remaining 3 road trips (or lose 2 at home) we are on the BUBBLE. Its late January and we have no road wins and a whopping one Quad 1 win. Please, no more fantasies from the fanboys about a top 4 seed. Its not happening.
You are so incredibly wrong about the seeding
Where precisely do you believe I am wrong???? Go back and look at the seeding for the 2019 NCAA tourney. Teams with 10 losses and a poor Quad 1 record ended up around 9/10th in the seeding

Do you think my W/L projection for the rest of the season is unreasonable?? Do you think we are going to start sweeping road trips?? Given that we haven't won a single road game this year I think my road split scenario is actually somewhat optimistic.

Records are only a portion of the equation. Look at Ken Pom. Look at Net.

I will call my shot. U of A sweeps this weekend in Washington.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:27 pm

PHXCATS wrote:I will call my shot. U of A sweeps this weekend in Washington.

That would be a very pleasant surprise.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:01 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Just got back home from that miserable abortion of a game.

I have left Wells Fargo Arena/Sun Devil Stadium before after a loss.......but this may have been the worst.

I haven''t seen any stats yet but it felt like we had 30 turnovers.

At this point, assuming we have no more bad losses (which is probably wishful thinking) we split the remaining 3 road trips and find a way to beat 2 out of 3 of UW/USC/UO at home (and win the rest of the home games). That would give us 10 losses and a 9/10 seed. If we get swept on one of the remaining 3 road trips (or lose 2 at home) we are on the BUBBLE. Its late January and we have no road wins and a whopping one Quad 1 win. Please, no more fantasies from the fanboys about a top 4 seed. Its not happening.
You are so incredibly wrong about the seeding
Where precisely do you believe I am wrong???? Go back and look at the seeding for the 2019 NCAA tourney. Teams with 10 losses and a poor Quad 1 record ended up around 9/10th in the seeding

Do you think my W/L projection for the rest of the season is unreasonable?? Do you think we are going to start sweeping road trips?? Given that we haven't won a single road game this year I think my road split scenario is actually somewhat optimistic.
Records are only a portion of the equation. Look at Ken Pom. Look at Net.

I will call my shot. U of A sweeps this weekend in Washington.

So you really don't have any factual basis for your statement. In case you didn't know the NCAA tournament committee already looks at a large number of factors, including various ranking systems. And in 2019 the average 10 loss team with a poor Quad 1 record was a 9/10 seed.

I hope your sweep prediction is accurate. I'll be happy with beating WSU on Saturday.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:41 pm

U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:46 pm

PHXCATS wrote:U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.

Long time lurker around here, but I felt I had to respond to this post...

Houston in 2019: 6-4 in Q1 games, 4 wins on the road.
Texas Tech in 2019: 12-6 in Q1 games, 5 wins on the road.

Arizona in 2020: 1-4 in Q1 games, 0 wins on the road.

Holy shit, what a stupid comparison.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:48 pm

People that are finding solace in Arizona's KenPom or NET are in for a rude awakening.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:54 pm

Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.
Long time lurker around here, but I felt I had to respond to this post...

Houston in 2019: 6-4 in Q1 games, 4 wins on the road.
Texas Tech in 2019: 12-6 in Q1 games, 5 wins on the road.

Arizona in 2020: 1-4 in Q1 games, 0 wins on the road.

Holy shit, what a stupid comparison.

Holy shit, there are still at least 13 games left before the NCAA tournament

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:58 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.
Long time lurker around here, but I felt I had to respond to this post...

Houston in 2019: 6-4 in Q1 games, 4 wins on the road.
Texas Tech in 2019: 12-6 in Q1 games, 5 wins on the road.

Arizona in 2020: 1-4 in Q1 games, 0 wins on the road.

Holy shit, what a stupid comparison.
Holy shit, there are still at least 13 games left before the NCAA tournament

PHX, I can't tell if you're the most optimistic on the board, or the most contrarian. Maybe both?

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:59 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:U of A is #10 in NET. Last year #10 in Net was Texas Tech, 3 seed.

U of A is #12 in Ken Pom. Last year #12 in Ken Pom was Houston, 3 seed.
Long time lurker around here, but I felt I had to respond to this post...

Houston in 2019: 6-4 in Q1 games, 4 wins on the road.
Texas Tech in 2019: 12-6 in Q1 games, 5 wins on the road.

Arizona in 2020: 1-4 in Q1 games, 0 wins on the road.

Holy shit, what a stupid comparison.
Holy shit, there are still at least 13 games left before the NCAA tournament

With a whole whopping 4 Q1 games remaining...3 on the road. Which, you know, Arizona has been terrific on the road so far this season and has shown promising signs of getting better.

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