let's talk '21

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:21 am

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:10 am
RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:05 am
gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:46 am Let's keep loading up on big men as the game moves more and more to the perimeter. At some point you have to pass on the talent based on fit, right? I guess if he is 2022 it makes much more sense with Brown likely gone and Azuolas as well possibly.
Yeah I don't know if I like Zeng if he's 2021.

Unless he wants to be the next Lee.
I think Ballo is already in the next Lee spot, Zeng would be in the next Tibet Goerner spot which we already have Tibet Goerner in. I admittedly do not know much about Tommy Lloyd's plan for his system so maybe there is room, I just don't see it.

Goerner is a reasonable comparison for Zeng now. His shooting is the only thing I think will immediately translate. I don't think he can drive and finish through contact, and he'll get bullied on D and the glass.

I think he has significantly higher potential than Goerner just because he's taller, longer and more skilled, but right now, he doesn't have the physical ability to display much more than the J.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:17 pm

So much at work right now. So fluid. So up in the air. So fun.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:23 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:17 pm So much at work right now. So fluid. So up in the air.

Yeah? So is an exploding pressure cooker full of scalding soup.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:30 pm

Longhorned wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:23 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:17 pm So much at work right now. So fluid. So up in the air.
Yeah? So is an exploding pressure cooker full of scalding soup.

I mean you’re not wrong.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:34 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:17 pm So much at work right now. So fluid. So up in the air. So fun.

So good for Arizona?

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:38 pm

The dream is we keep everyone but Akinjo, snag Tyty, and a shooting guard. Grabbing Fanbo to redshirt and have him just bulk up would be the cherry on top

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:04 pm

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:34 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:17 pm So much at work right now. So fluid. So up in the air. So fun.
So good for Arizona?

https://youtu.be/tOEJvjK8TM0

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:07 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:04 pm
gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:34 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:17 pm So much at work right now. So fluid. So up in the air. So fun.
So good for Arizona?
https://youtu.be/tOEJvjK8TM0

Classic

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:22 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:04 pm
gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:34 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:17 pm So much at work right now. So fluid. So up in the air. So fun.
So good for Arizona?
https://youtu.be/tOEJvjK8TM0

I was so sure this was the clip coming. Mainly because I'm a vile excuse for a person.

https://youtu.be/7JYJhWIwGUw

1stNGrant Frys · Post by **1stNGrant Frys** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:36 pm

Longhorned wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:23 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:17 pm So much at work right now. So fluid. So up in the air.
Yeah? So is an exploding pressure cooker full of scalding soup.

yeah things were better when we were debating whether Garland Judkins or Brendon Lavendar would be the better Kyle Fogg backup

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:37 pm

I was leaning Garland.

And I thought the YouTube clip was going to be good old Rick

1stNGrant Frys · Post by **1stNGrant Frys** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:42 pm

Postmaster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:37 pm I was leaning Garland.

And I thought the YouTube clip was going to be good old Rick

Rick?
well i guess it worked out for all involved. Lav was a useful 4 year rotation player, Kyle's made a bunch of $ overseas.
Garland iirc was the last Lute recruited player.

https://twitter.com/gjudkins4?lang=en
still reppin UA. one of you guys with a twitter, brighten his day or something it looks pretty bare

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:34 am

Rick Astley

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:38 pm

Updated schollie count?

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:55 pm

1. Kerr
2. Benn
3. A. Tubelis
4. Koloko
5. J. Brown
6. Terry
7. Ballo
8. Gorener
9. T. Tubelis
10. ?? Nowell ??
11. ?? Dezonie ??
12.
13.

Hopefully Tyty fills one spot, we keep everyone else and add a transfer guard/wing to be set.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:34 pm

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:36 pm

Fuck yeah!!!

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:36 pm

Let's go!

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:37 pm

So if Tyty commits... we're seriously in business....

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:38 pm

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:37 pm So if Tyty commits... we're seriously in business....

One thing I’m very confident of is that Arizona will find a quality starting PG whether it’s Tyty or somebody else.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:40 pm

Hell yeah!!!

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:41 pm

Very smart decision.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:43 pm

Boom!

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:45 pm

Mathurin might be better than any recruit or transfer we could have landed at this point outside of Tyty. Absolutely huge!! Suck it Oregon!!

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:45 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:38 pm
Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:37 pm So if Tyty commits... we're seriously in business....
One thing I’m very confident of is that Arizona will find a quality starting PG whether it’s Tyty or somebody else.

Choo putting it all on the line. I'll tuck the ambien away and rest easy tonight...

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:50 am

Tyty being on campus has to be a good sign though, right? Whyyyyy am I looking for updates every 5 minutes in the middle of April????

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:40 am

For anybody wondering if he was a possibility, Fanbo Zeng is headed to the G League.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:42 am

Did anyone see that coming?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:48 am

Chicat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:42 am Did anyone see that coming?

I saw going back to China as way more of an option honestly. I'm not surprised he's not going to college, but the G League? Bleh.

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:10 am

I love the NBA. I love college. I love big time basketball. I've gone to G league games and it's nowhere near the same atmosphere. A lot of teams have pretty much nobody show up, basketball at times isn't high quality basketball, and the cities these teams are in are just not basketball towns often times. I get you wanna get payed to but I'd say playing overseas is a lot better than the G league

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:17 am

BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:10 am I love the NBA. I love college. I love big time basketball. I've gone to G league games and it's nowhere near the same atmosphere. A lot of teams have pretty much nobody show up, basketball at times isn't high quality basketball, and the cities these teams are in are just not basketball towns often times. I get you wanna get payed to but I'd say playing overseas is a lot better than the G league

I was going to go up and see Nico in Santa Cruz when they opened up for fans, but then he was called up.

Can't imagine anyone thinking Santa Cruz is a basketball town. There are only 400,000 people in the entire county of Monterey.

I don't even know if UC Santa Cruz (the banana slugs) even have a basketball team.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:24 am

G-League makes a whole lot less sense for international players in my opinion. Just seems to limit their options.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:15 am

The only way I can rationalize Zeng going to the G league is for money making purposes. The basketball in China is a huge market and I imagine he could probably make good money from Chinese sponsors while in the G league and trying to climb his way to the NBA.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:21 am

Wouldn't he make a bunch more playing in China?

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:21 am

WildcatStunner wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:15 am The only way I can rationalize Zeng going to the G league is for money making purposes. The basketball in China is a huge market and I imagine he could probably make good money from Chinese sponsors while in the G league and trying to climb his way to the NBA.

Should've just stayed there and played pro over there. He would've been paid a lot more

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:49 am

Maybe he just wants to get out of China. Period.

And just wants to start his professional career now, but in the States.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:02 am

I feel like he could have even gotten paid under the table and kept his college eligibility just to keep his options open in case his body and game don’t mature at the same speed.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:06 am

Longhorned wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:21 am Wouldn't he make a bunch more playing in China?

Purely speculative from my end, but I think he would make more by playing pro in China. But I am just guessing that he feels this is the best way to make money while pursuing his NBA dreams.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:07 am

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:10 am

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:49 am Maybe he just wants to get out of China. Period.

I heard he just really hates Chinese food.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:14 am

I didn't realize there was fan interest and sponsor dollars in China for minor league Chinese players.

I know some American players who aren't good enough to play in China or Europe choose Mexico over G-League offers so they can make more money.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:33 am

Longhorned wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:21 am Wouldn't he make a bunch more playing in China?

Yes, A LOT more.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:10 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:10 am
EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:49 am Maybe he just wants to get out of China. Period.

I heard he just really hates Chinese food.

There they just call it food.

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:06 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:17 am
BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:10 am I love the NBA. I love college. I love big time basketball. I've gone to G league games and it's nowhere near the same atmosphere. A lot of teams have pretty much nobody show up, basketball at times isn't high quality basketball, and the cities these teams are in are just not basketball towns often times. I get you wanna get payed to but I'd say playing overseas is a lot better than the G league
I was going to go up and see Nico in Santa Cruz when they opened up for fans, but then he was called up.

Can't imagine anyone thinking Santa Cruz is a basketball town. There are only 400,000 people in the entire county of Monterey.

I don't even know if UC Santa Cruz (the banana slugs) even have a basketball team.

https://www.goslugs.com/sports/mbkb/index

(that logo is lit btw, do not fuck with giant kaiju slug!)

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:23 pm

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:46 pm

When Yao Ming came here he had to give a portion of his salary to to Chinese government.

Since NBA and Chinese Government have some monetary relationship, I wonder if Chinese Government had a hand in this?

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:12 am

Irish27 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:34 pm

Arizona wing Bennedict Mathurin to return for sophomore season
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By Brian J. Pedersen Apr 23, 2021, 5:49pm PDT

Another piece of the puzzle is in place for Arizona’s first season under Tommy Lloyd, and it’s an important one.

Bennedict Mathurin, who had a strong freshman year in 2020-21, will return for his sophomore season according to ESPN’s Jonathan Givony.

The 6-foot-7 Mathurin went from relatively unknown to a potential one-and-done NBA prospect after averaging 10.8 points, 4.8 rebounds and 1.2 assists while shooting 47.1 percent overall and 41.8 percent from 3-point range. He started 12 of 26 games, scoring 20-plus points three times including 31—tied with Jemarl Baker Jr. for the most by a UA player under Sean Miller—at Oregon State on Jan. 14.

Mathurin’s midseason surge started to get him noticed by NBA scouts, and the firing of Miller had a chance of further pushing him in that direction. But he was on hand for Lloyd’s first workout last week, and his return ensures Arizona will have three of its top five scorers back for 2021-22 along with forwards Azuolas Tubelis and Jordan Brown.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... -2021-wing

https://zonazealots.com/2021/04/24/ben- ... asketball/
In case you need a reminder of just how talented he is, here are his highlights from his 31-point game against Oregon State.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:05 am

WildcatStunner wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:15 am The only way I can rationalize Zeng going to the G league is for money making purposes. The basketball in China is a huge market and I imagine he could probably make good money from Chinese sponsors while in the G league and trying to climb his way to the NBA.

I thought he was 2 years away from being a college contributor, so it's hard for me to think this goes well for him.

Maybe a team takes a flier on him in the second round next year, but I just can't see how he's close to NBA ready physically. He's 6'9 and can shoot, but right now, that's pretty much it, and I think he'd get taken apart on every other level by an NBA player.

The flip side, this is probably best for his development. The G league is made to push him out there and let him take his knocks and hopefully toughen up and get more physical. College isn't because unlike GLI, coaches in college are trying to win first and foremost.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:17 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:05 am
WildcatStunner wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:15 am The only way I can rationalize Zeng going to the G league is for money making purposes. The basketball in China is a huge market and I imagine he could probably make good money from Chinese sponsors while in the G league and trying to climb his way to the NBA.
I thought he was 2 years away from being a college contributor, so it's hard for me to think this goes well for him.

Maybe a team takes a flier on him in the second round next year, but I just can't see how he's close to NBA ready physically. He's 6'9 and can shoot, but right now, that's pretty much it, and I think he'd get taken apart on every other level by an NBA player.

The flip side, this is probably best for his development. The G league is made to push him out there and let him take his knocks and hopefully toughen up and get more physical. College isn't because unlike GLI, coaches in college are trying to win first and foremost.

This has more to do with the marketability of the next big Chinese star playing in the G League then his actual talent. The NBA knows this game and knows he can be awful but the added merchandise sales and viewership in China will pay off exponentially. This is a purely a money move, not a move meant to be in the best interest of Zeng.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:48 am

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